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Mike Rutherford
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
 Posted - 10/15/2004 : 23:18:30
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| Just curious as this album seems to be one of those that fans either hardcore love or dislike. Me personally, I think it's AMAZING. I LOVE IT. It's raw, it's emotional and anyone whom can't relate to a song like "tiny heart" has obviously lived a much different life as I. So what is the consensus here on "pistolero"? |
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My Velouria
- FB Fan -
France
93 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 00:35:21
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| I think it has great songs and poorer ones...I can read everywhere that his first half is great in opposite with his second half. Personnally, I think So hard to make things out is one of the masterpiece of the album and Billy Radcliffe is a great short song. Lots of people dislike 85 weeks or Such a wire, personnaly I really like them. Just the last songs are disapointing to me (I love Rock'n'roll, I think I'm starting to lose it...). |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 01:57:16
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So.Bay is one of his best songs
reminds me of the Sad Punk
 "I joined the Cult of Serge/'Cause he invented indierock before Frank did" |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 02:54:02
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I love this album.... does have a few weak tracks though... I love Bad Harmony, So Hard to Make Things Out, I Switched You, I Want Rock N Roll, Billy Radcliffe, So. Bay. Not so keen on 85 Weeks, Tiny Heart (sorry Mike), I Think I'm Starting to Lose It, which bore me a little.
Just the good ole boys, never meaning no harm,
that all you ever saw
been in trouble with the law,
since the day they were born |
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
USA
715 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 08:17:25
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| second favorite record, right after DITS. Amazing. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 10:52:09
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So what is the consensus here on "pistolero"?
I don't think there is one.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2004 : 13:44:39
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I LLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEE this record!!!!!!!!!!!!1 It is definitely one of the greatest rock and roll albums of all time (right up there with Ram On by Paul McCartney). The amount of emotion, as Mike calls it, on this album is incredible. I can't say it's my favorite Frank Black album, but at at times, when I'm in certain moods, it is.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 06:13:23
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I also really like Pistolero, especially Your Such A Wire and I Want R&R and Skeleton Man.
Free the Heel! |
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just_give_me_a_reason
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 09:32:43
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Skeleton Man rocks - great vocal, great guitar
"So. Bay" "Western Star" "Billy Radcliffe" and "I think I'm starting to Lose it" are all good too. The rest of it... is a bit sub-par to be honest. There's a lot of coded personal songs on Pistolero, lot's of instances of "I", and it isn't (with the exception of "Billy Radcliffe") very Mythical which is what Frank is best at - the mythical life and/or death of a character e.g. The Swimmer, Holiday Song, King and Queen of Siam, All my Ghosts, Superabound, Manitoba.... those are the lyrics I admire and no-one else does 'em. They're hard to do (and 85 weeks is a failed attempt IMHO). I reckon Franks' weaker songs (and don't get me wrong - I think most of these are like manna) are ones where he attempts to elevate the everyday stuff to the lyrical and sometimes it just doesn't sound as cool as the freaky third-person animal-perspective landscaped evolutionary primal sci-fi epic god death yeti stuff. There are too many of the personal-type songs on pistolero I think. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 10:18:26
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Good to see someone said Western star.
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"The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity,
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
2025 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 10:49:23
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I love this album as well...It may well be my favorite FB album. Who am I kidding I can't choose one. The only thing that made me sad about this album was the fact that I found it in a bargain bin when I worked at Sunrise records. I was pissed. You wouldn't believe the crap it was shoved in with.
He is in the music business, he is calling you DUDE! |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 12:17:46
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Yeah, it always annoys me when I see really good albums in the bargain bins. I guess if it gets someone else into the band, though, that's good.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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FranknWeezer
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 13:30:47
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My favorites are 85 Weeks and South Bay. Both a lot of fun to play along with on guitar. You can crank that amp the f-up on So. Bay, too.
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
Chile
1315 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 13:46:09
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I love this album, really, has a lot of good songs...my favorite is Western Star
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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1467 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2004 : 21:15:16
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Yeah, I agree, Pistolero is a great album. I love every song on it.
"So hard to make things out", "I think I'm starting to lose it", and "I switched you" are very special songs to me.
I play them as loud as I can and get out my hankies. Man, those songs really tear at my insides.
Frank Black, Rock and Roll like it ought to be! |
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Avid-Fan
- FB Fan -
100 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 01:59:47
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A great great album, no weak links at all.
(( I talk plain talk )) |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
315 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2005 : 15:33:18
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| I never thought this album really cut it. Too much filler and the Catholics are still trying to find their groove. Dog in the Sand, BLD and SMYT are the quintesential Catholics albums. |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 03:08:57
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| SMYT for sure. |
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ispini tapaidh
- FB Fan -
Ireland
122 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 05:39:44
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Never ceases to amaze me how many people don't rate Pistolero.
I think it's a cracking album. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 11:33:26
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This album makes me so very happy. Always has.
It fucking rocks, people!
When's the next Catholics CD coming out? When are they
hitting the road?
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 12:50:41
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Never ceases to amaze me how many people don't rate Pistolero.
They do. They just don't rate it very highly. <g>
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 02:31:31
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As the years roll by, this one just gets better and better |
Edited by - fbc on 11/26/2006 02:55:05 |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 04:24:44
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Just seeing the cover makes me excited!
"The arc of triumph" |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 06:23:20
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Just seeing this thread makes me depressed!
I’m the only one who can say that this light is mine
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Mac E. Doobage
= Cult of Ray =
503 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 06:49:59
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| Pistolero=Zuma. |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1851 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 07:01:33
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I got Pistolero right after getting the orange album and TOTY, and i hated it. I got more catholics albums and it all came together. Now i couldn't live without it!
Thank you Pistolero.
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 07:36:19
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as a wise one once said, "It fucking rocks, people!"
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 08:54:06
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What I want on this site is an archive of photos like that.
 "Now you're officially my woman. Kudos. I can't say I don't envy you." |
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Don Eduardo
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
403 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 12:23:58
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| my favourite Catholics album without a doubt.....rocks hard from start to finish! |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 13:54:21
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| Pistolero comeletely rocks! I love every song on it! I love playing Pistolero and then BLD after it ... it just seem like the two albums go perfectly into each other. |
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mantaraysallright
- FB Fan -
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 14:33:35
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| I love Pistolero, I doubt I would call it my favorite (because I don't think I could rate any Catholics album) but a damn good one. I don't listen to it as much as say, Self Titled Catholics but whenever I do I'm happy I did. (this thread inspired to put it on instead of DW which was stuck in my head all day). |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 01:14:43
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Yo soy un Pistolero, you got me shakin' in my boots!
It's the best. But I have to admit, until I just saw the album art blown up in the picture in this thread, I had no idea that the album art had bullets in the background. I thought it was just some cheesy photoshoped album art like most of the Catholics records.
What gives with that? Aside from Bossanova, the Pixies always had great album art. The first 2 (maybe 3) FB solo albums had great album art. But the Catholics? Apologies to whoever did the art, because I'm sure they worked hard on it, but to me it's pretty lame. The only decent Catholics album cover to me is BLD. The rest look like they were made in an hour in photoshop with pre-installed fonts or something. Ugh. Maybe this is a seperate topic.
And then after the Catholics the art is great too! Honeycomb? Nice. Fastman Raiderman? Classic. Were the Cahotlics covers lame on purpose? Doesn anyone think they're great pieces of art? Oddballs is OK, but reminds me of Oingo Boingo or something.
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mantaraysallright
- FB Fan -
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 02:26:12
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 02:57:04
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I quite like the SMYT cover.
"The arc of triumph" |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 03:17:49
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I agree, DITS cover is pretty good. It's a photo of The Band. Which was a pretty awesome and cool looking band at the time, and the album cover captured it perfectly.
I like the SMYT cover as well. But it still has that kind of cheesy look about it. I'm kind of romantic about the days when album covers were on vinyl records, and the album art was almost just as important as the music (well, close anyway). On a big ass 12" record cover, you can really look at the artwork and enjoy it. I just think the Catholics albums (DITS excepted) are kind of cheesy looking.
It's all about the music of course, but I think the album art can kind of influence how the record sounds to you, no?
In this digital age, I think it sucks that album artwork is almost forgotten. With CD's it turned so small that that almost didn't matter, and now with iPODs and whatnots, it's not really a part of the music at all.
If you've ever seen a vinyl version of "7th Dream Of Teenage Heaven" by Love 'n' Rockets on vinyl, it's a good example of how much an album cover can influence how the music sounds. The cover is very blue, but if you just buy it on CD or download it, I don't think it has the same impact on how it sounds when you listen to it.
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Neptune
- FB Fan -
USA
96 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 11:11:43
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actually BOUGHT my Pistolero out of a bargain bin. After DITS came out. With COR, only albums I didn't buy upon release. "I Love Your Brain" even skips (actually don't think I've ever heard that song without the skip).
That said, one of my 3 favorite albums. FB classics:
Western Star
Tiny Heart
So Hard to Make Things Out
85 Weeks
Classics, people! I can understand not liking FB, but if you do like FB, how can you not love 85 Weeks? makes no sense. And how bout some love for Smoke Up, another rocker.
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