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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 10/01/2004 : 08:34:43
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So what do you think?
I was going to vote for Kerry because he wasn't Bush, but after the debates last night, I actually want to vote for Kerry because he's John Kerry! I'm actually (finally) excited to vote for him! Needless to say, I thought he did a great job. In my opinion, the debate was a close one, but Kerry came out on top by being calm, firm, and informed. He didn't make the mistakes Al Gore did when Al huffed and sighed and acted like Bush was a retard who was testing his patience. Instead, he treated him with respect and let Bush make a fool out of himself. He also did a great job responding to the flip flop issue which Bush drove into the ground. By saying that it's not a bad thing to change your mind when new facts are revealed but it can be a bad thing to hold steadfast even after you realize you're wrong (like Bush in Iraq), I think he put that issue to rest. Bush seemed to stop saying "mixed messages" after that when he had said it twenty times previous. Kerry is a master debater much like Clinton was and as long as he doesn't make any obvious mistakes like looking at his watch or spitting at the moderator, I think he'll pull ahead in the polls because of these debates. Though I do constantly over-estimate the intelligence of the red states. Most of them probably only care about abortion and gay rights.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 08:41:11
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I missed the damn debates, was checking out a friend's band in DC
Do you know if/when they'll replay them again at some point? I really need to watch them in their entirety |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 08:45:20
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I wish they would replay debates, but I don't think they will. Instead, you'll get cut up, biased rehash that'll have no resemblance to what actually occured.
Incidentally, did anyone see Guilianni on NBC or the Daily Show desparately trying to save face for Bush? It was pathetic.
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 08:46:39
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i loved how bush kept saying "vladmer". hilarious! also, after kerry brought up nuclear proliferation, and it was bush's turn to respond- that was a tough one for him. sound it out, pal. take it slow.
hilarious.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 08:48:09
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yeah i thought kerry did a great job and bush was his usual retard self.
i'm a little more optimistic about the election now. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:06:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Atheist4Catholics
So what do you think?
I was going to vote for Kerry because he wasn't Bush, but after the debates last night, I actually want to vote for Kerry because he's John Kerry!
That cracked me up. Right on.
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Alpha Soixante
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:07:54
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Instead, he treated him with respect and let Bush make a fool out of himself.
Yeah, Kerry didn't even need to show up to win that one. Bush did the job for him.
I was actually shocked at how poorly Bush did--and I didn't think it was possible to overestimate the man. How the hell did he blow it that badly? Didn't he show up for rehearsal? Did he not memorize his lines? Was his script writer on crack? |
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Alpha Soixante
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:10:58
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For those who missed it, here's a representative sample of Bush's delightful performance:
"In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard.
It's-and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work.
We're making progress. It is hard work.
You know my hardest, the hardest part of the job is..." |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:11:50
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Psychic, if you get CSPAN, you might be able to catch a replay of the debates there. If not, you can watch them on their website!:
http://www.c-span.org/
I agree with Atheist. My only issues were Kerry's approach to details about handling the war in Iraq (his statement about pulling out of Fallujah being a bad move which sent mixed messages -I believe the decision was made to cease bombing because there was too much "collateral damage"). As I said here http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9969
both candidates stretched the truth, neither had impressive oratory, and neither party holds my allegiance, but that debate left no question as to who will be the better Statesman and Commander in Chief. I was impressed by Kerry's calm and reasonable demeanor, and his logical, measured approach to foreign policy. His message came across loud and clear, and his main tone was of hope, teamwork, and optimism, while Bush relied on fear and repetitive vague emotional statements.
By the way, if you all are not aware, www.factcheck.org is a priceless resource for going over facts stated in the debates and also in the media and campaign ads. Check it out!
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:32:13
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See Ebb?
Toldja, man!
Yep.
I'm glad that some of the people who needed to see and hear Kerry in the biggest way finally got to.
Howard Stern call in this morning:
"Howard, I just want to tell you that before last night, I thought maybe I was going to vote for Kerry. Now I KNOW I'm going to vote for Kerry."
Dig it. LOTS of people feel this way.
Here's hoping the Republicans don't invent some huge mess to derail the whole thing(They are certainly out of ammunition now), or that something unexpected doesn't happen. We don't need anybody blowing anything up to try to effect regime change in the US - we can do it ourselves, thank you very much.
Hear that, blow-up-car-bomb guys? Lay off.
Ok, maybe you could scare Ralph Nader off for us if you want, but thats it. 
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:33:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Soixante
For those who missed it, here's a representative sample of Bush's delightful performance:
"In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard.
It's-and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work.
We're making progress. It is hard work.
You know my hardest, the hardest part of the job is..."
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And here was me thinking the UK got all the best comedy
I look like the kind of guy who pimps his sister not just for the money, but because he hates her
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:50:51
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Where are the "NeoCon Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken when ever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Mroocore
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:59:02
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did anyone learn anything, they did not know this time yesterday, from the debate?
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:02:30
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i thought Kerry did an excellent job, especially considering that this is supposed to be Bush's strogest subject. How will he handle himself on the economy, or the environment, or stem cells if he fucked up so badly on WAR?
for me, the two best things Kerry said was when Bush brought up his "i voted for the 87 billion before i voted against it" : "Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse? "
And when Kerry quoted Bush Sr - "You know, the president's father did not go into Iraq, into Baghdad, beyond Basra. And the reason he didn't is, he said -- he wrote in his book -- because there was no viable exit strategy. And he said our troops would be occupiers in a bitterly hostile land. That's exactly where we find ourselves today."
Those two points were what impressed me the most
-brian
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:03:42
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The spin is in.
That's all these debates are, a chance for the creative spinners to spin creatively. And how!
Every single pundit I saw on TV (PBS, Daily Show) was so transparently partisan.
I came home late and saw parts of the last two thirds of the debate rerun on KSPS PBS.
Since when is avoiding a question legitimate? The moderator should demand an answer, people want a freakin' answer.
I assumed Bush would be a complete buffoon, but he wasn't. There was that awkward moment when he commented 'It was not my administration that put the sanctions on Iran.' What was the point of that?
I've never figured out how people can blather and think. I saw a highlight of the first question to Kerry, he thinks "a little nervous, start talking...'But before I answer further, let me thank you for moderating. I want to thank the University of Miami for hosting'...do I understand the question? What were my key points here? Oh yah I had at least one repeatable phrase...'I can make America safer...'" That's all flash, meaningless crap. There is a history of presidents on both sides that came across well. I hope people remember.
As opposed to Bill Clinton who exudes intelligence and is royally eloquent, because he really is that brainy and polished. He always impresses me.
How come Kerry didn't point out that Bush's decision to use diplomacy in North Korea was contradictory to the actions taken in Iraq. I suppose the public can see certain hypocrisies.
And Bush gets nothing for the deflective, We did build an alliance (can't find the quote) it had nothing to do with Kerry's point. Also, 'And by the way, the breach on the agreement was not through plutonium' Who brought up plutonium?
I just read this, 'The facts are that he was systematically deceiving the inspectors.
That wasn't going to work. That's kind of a pre-September 10th mentality, the hope that somehow resolutions and failed inspections would make this world a more peaceful place.' Making the connection between Saddam and Osama again. If you say it enough times, it will become reality. The wording should be 'That's kind of a September 10th mentality'
'I've met kids in Ohio, parents in Wisconsin places, Iowa, where they're going out on the Internet to get the state-of-the-art body gear to send to their kids. Some of them got them for a birthday present. I think that's wrong.' That's the perfect plan, bring back the Athenian way.
'As president, what would you do, specifically, in addition to or differently to increase the homeland security of the United States than what President Bush is doing?'
'Jim, let me tell you exactly what I'll do. And there are a long list of things.' And then he doesn't say anything specific.
'Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?' Weak! You lose! Bet that didn't play well in the military camps.
'Our coalition is strong. It will remain strong, so long as I'm...' Isn't that Senator Palpatine's line?
'Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word, as you did just then. And I try not to. I've been -- ' diplomatic, sneaky, devious.
'I've worked with those leaders the president talks about, I've worked with them for 20 years, for longer than this president.' This guy knows how to debate, now where's the beef.
'My opponent just said something amazing. He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread hatred for America. Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves.' That may be true, but it has nothing to do with what Kerry said. Right while he's trying to defend himself from accusations of being misleading, heh.
'reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war.' I just watched The Big Lebowski again, Kerry sounds like Walter after a while. Yes you fought in Vietnam, you said you wanted to get to real issues, stop badgering us, we know.
"This is the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place" Bush Campaign's famous talking points.
'As I understand it, we're building some 14 military bases there now, and some people say they've got a rather permanent concept to them.' 'Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate. In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said, "The enemy attacked us."' Strongest points of the debate.
'And so I acknowledge that his daughters -- I've watched them.
I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments.'
'I'm trying to put a leash on them.'
'Well, I know. I've learned not to do that.' Lots of sexual tension there.
'You can't change the dynamics on the ground if you've criticized the brave leader of Iraq.' What?
My favourite post debate quotes were,
Being certain is not the same as being right.
Saying you have a plan doesn't equate to having a plan! |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:15:21
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Tim says it best. I first started on the Kerry wagon before I knew much about him, saying "anyone but Bush." But the more I heard him speak, the stronger I felt about his ability, and last night only sealed the deal. Anyone catch him on the Daily Show a few weeks ago? He's such a realistic, calm, informed, down-to-earth guy. There's no doubt in my mind that he'll make a better leader for this country.
I also agree with the sentiments on Bush. He made a fool of himself. He acted childish at certain points. He's such a horrible speaker. What was that quote from Kerry? Wrong place...wrong what? He only said it a dozen times. Bush has very little to stand behind.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:17:46
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I'm actually going to vote for the first time in my life. I'm not impressed by either candidates involved, but I've decided that Bush needs to GO AWAY. Whenever I see the man on TV or his face on the internet, I seriously feel a sinking feeling...an ominous, unsettling feeling. He's always struck me as insincere, glib, negative, and invested in power for the sake of owning something. I always attach Wal-Mart to him...a big encroaching bully looking to corner a market. Last night he proved he is slightly mad. And when backed into a corner, he does nothing but tear down character and punch blindly. Now that's fine on the playground, but....
Kerry loves talking about his Big Plan. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out what it is. He seems a bit loopy, but his attitude alone, and that possibly may not be the best facet, won me. The debates were infantile and inane. I am worried. But I know Bush MUST GO AWAY.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:19:38
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hey guess what hammerhands? size=1 is fucking gay and you're fucking gay for using it. so here's his post if anyone gives a rat's ass in the normal font size.
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The spin is in.
That's all these debates are, a chance for the creative spinners to spin creatively. And how!
Every single pundit I saw on TV (PBS, Daily Show) was so transparently partisan.
I came home late and saw parts of the last two thirds of the debate rerun on KSPS PBS.
Since when is avoiding a question legitimate? The moderator should demand an answer, people want a freakin' answer.
I assumed Bush would be a complete buffoon, but he wasn't. There was that awkward moment when he commented 'It was not my administration that put the sanctions on Iran.' What was the point of that?
I've never figured out how people can blather and think. I saw a highlight of the first question to Kerry, he thinks "a little nervous, start talking...'But before I answer further, let me thank you for moderating. I want to thank the University of Miami for hosting'...do I understand the question? What were my key points here? Oh yah I had at least one repeatable phrase...'I can make America safer...'" That's all flash, meaningless crap. There is a history of presidents on both sides that came across well. I hope people remember.
As opposed to Bill Clinton who exudes intelligence and is royally eloquent, because he really is that brainy and polished. He always impresses me.
How come Kerry didn't point out that Bush's decision to use diplomacy in North Korea was contradictory to the actions taken in Iraq. I suppose the public can see certain hypocrisies.
And Bush gets nothing for the deflective, We did build an alliance (can't find the quote) it had nothing to do with Kerry's point. Also, 'And by the way, the breach on the agreement was not through plutonium' Who brought up plutonium?
I just read this, 'The facts are that he was systematically deceiving the inspectors.
That wasn't going to work. That's kind of a pre-September 10th mentality, the hope that somehow resolutions and failed inspections would make this world a more peaceful place.' Making the connection between Saddam and Osama again. If you say it enough times, it will become reality. The wording should be 'That's kind of a September 10th mentality'
'I've met kids in Ohio, parents in Wisconsin places, Iowa, where they're going out on the Internet to get the state-of-the-art body gear to send to their kids. Some of them got them for a birthday present. I think that's wrong.' That's the perfect plan, bring back the Athenian way.
'As president, what would you do, specifically, in addition to or differently to increase the homeland security of the United States than what President Bush is doing?'
'Jim, let me tell you exactly what I'll do. And there are a long list of things.' And then he doesn't say anything specific.
'Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?' Weak! You lose! Bet that didn't play well in the military camps.
'Our coalition is strong. It will remain strong, so long as I'm...' Isn't that Senator Papatine's line?
'Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word, as you did just then. And I try not to. I've been -- ' diplomatic, sneaky, devious.
'I've worked with those leaders the president talks about, I've worked with them for 20 years, for longer than this president.' This guy knows now to debate, now where's the beef.
'My opponent just said something amazing. He said Osama bin Laden uses the invasion of Iraq as an excuse to spread hatred for America. Osama bin Laden isn't going to determine how we defend ourselves.' That may be true, but it has nothing to do with what Kerry said. Right while he's trying to defend himself from accusations of being misleading, heh.
'reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war.' I just watched The Big Lebowski again, Kerry sounds like Walter after a while. Yes you fought in Vietnam, you said you wanted to get to real issues, stop badgering us, we know.
"This is the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place" Bush Campaign's famous talking points.
'As I understand it, we're building some 14 military bases there now, and some people say they've got a rather permanent concept to them.' 'Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate. In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said, "The enemy attacked us."' Strongest points of the debate.
'And so I acknowledge that his daughters -- I've watched them.
I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments.'
'I'm trying to put a leash on them.'
'Well, I know. I've learned not to do that.' Lots of sexual tension there.
'You can't change the dynamics on the ground if you've criticized the brave leader of Iraq.' What?
My favourite post debate quotes were,
Being certain is not the same as being right.
Saying you have a plan doesn't equate to having a plan!
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:24:16
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:30:35
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quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
Psychic, if you get CSPAN, you might be able to catch a replay of the debates there. If not, you can watch them on their website!:
http://www.c-span.org/
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:30:53
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I must be on another planet.
Nearly every time Kerry opened his mouth I cringed. Just another fucking politician.
I guess I was expecting more. Something to applaud other than causing Bush to pause for a second or two to remember his canned response to Kerry's canned provocation.
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I feel Bush did a great job. He seemed calm, responsible ..personable. Someone you'd take sailing with you.
Kerry seemed so much more rehearsed. Everything canned. Even the god damn gesturing. That two hand katrate-chop thing he does. Pfft.
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I guess that's all kinda superficial.
Still voting Kerry. Turns my stomach, though.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 10:42:52
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quote:
Originally posted by hammerhands
The world's full of fine print. Get use to it.
yes and it's like that so it's a pain in the ass to read.
way to justify your actions, chester.
also yes kerry is just another politician what the hell do you expect? JFK was just another politician too. everyone in politics is just another politician.
yes it would be nice to have a real leader but that's not going to happen. |
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Erebus
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:17:43
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quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "Neo Con Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken whenever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
Both these guys are well-known commodities: one does and one talks, just like his daddy Clinton. Bush understands what is at stake and acts accordingly, while Kerry would sell out the nation to our spineless "allies" and our squinty-eyed enemies, all for a multilateral concensus, on what? Rolling over, that's what. Kerry's idea of superior leadership is to hold a "summit" to devise a foreign policy which will "pass the global test". You mean there's a test to win the accolade "European", other than folding while 100 million people were murdered for the sake of "peace in our time"?
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KimStanleyRobinson
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:20:27
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Go get em, erebus...thats what you're good at.
$5 says you own a gun.
ohh, and since you've started with throwing cheap shots, saying that "Bush understands" anything is an oxymoronic, paradoxical, contradictory paradigmatic non-statement...and a whole bunch of other bad stuff.
He undertands zilch and he'll be gone in November.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:35:52
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quote:
Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinson
Go get em, erebus...thats what you're good at.
$5 says you own a gun.
That must be a Clintonian $5, because it's lying.
Actually, given that I'm pulling for civil war between the red states and the blue states, which is to say between the rifles and the illegal handguns, I may have to invest in a .270 with scope, only out of a will to justice and liberty for all mind you. |
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hammerhands
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 11:39:05
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Happyland
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The all Bush debating team, intrinsically flawed logic. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:13:48
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Am I the only one who dislikes both of these guys even more after the debate? They are both imbeciles and it's to the point that I really don't believe there is a "better of the two evils." Maybe the domestic policy debate will be much better; but if I could vote, I would definitely go for Nader.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:19:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
Bush understands what is at stake and acts accordingly, while Kerry would sell out the nation to our spineless "allies" and our squinty-eyed enemies, all for a multilateral concensus, on what?
Always a sign of strength when one has to fall back to racist attacks. Maybe it's not racist since Arabs are Caucasian (I think), but you get the point. |
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Mroocore
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:34:17
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quote:
Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Am I the only one who dislikes both of these guys even more after the debate? They are both imbeciles and it's to the point that I really don't believe there is a "better of the two evils." Maybe the domestic policy debate will be much better; but if I could vote, I would definitely go for Nader.
ˇViva los Católicos!
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Alpha Soixante
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:42:11
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Am I the only one who dislikes both of these guys even more after the debate? They are both imbeciles and it's to the point that I really don't believe there is a "better of the two evils."
I find this shocking, frankly. Bush takes imbecility to hitherto unimaginable heights, and calling them both imbeciles is like saying your highschool band teacher and Dizzie Gillespie are both "good trumpet players."
The suggestion that there's no lesser of two evils in this case can only come from profound ignorance or even more profound self-deception. We could make quite a list of the important differences, but I think only two are necessary. With Bush you'll get a complete refusal to recognize the reality of the situation in Iraq and a complete unwillingness to admit any mistake. And with Bush you'll get someone who is working for the neoconservatives who have explicitly stated their intention to "democratize" the entire Middle East.
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I feel Bush did a great job. He seemed calm, responsible ..personable. Someone you'd take sailing with you.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:55:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "NeoCon Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken when ever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
I have no idea what that means.
All I know is that i think I'm falling in love with you.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:58:46
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by Erebus
Bush understands what is at stake and acts accordingly, while Kerry would sell out the nation to our spineless "allies" and our squinty-eyed enemies, all for a multilateral concensus, on what?
Always a sign of strength when one has to fall back to racist attacks. Maybe it's not racist since Arabs are Caucasian (I think), but you get the point.
Darwin, I can assure that there was absolutely NO thought of race in that. Now that I re-read it I see how it could be interpreted as anti east asian, but I was not thinking of that at all. I was thinking more of the proverbial narrow-set eyes as indicative of ill intent, or eyes obscured for the purpose of evading interpretation. I should have chosen my adjective more thoughtfully, but ask that you see my carelessness as indicative that, if anything, I was thinking outside of race. If I had been thinking in a racist way, I would stand behind it now, but I was not. Please do not think me racist, here or elsewhere. |
Edited by - Erebus on 10/01/2004 13:02:57 |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:59:51
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
Where are the "NeoCon Youth" members of the forum this morning?
They are usually so outspoken when ever these topics arise.
Unusually silent for some reason today.
Boo hoo.
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Yes, KoK, we're running scared from your puffed shirts.
I have no idea what that means.
All I know is that i think I'm falling in love with you.
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Think "all hat no cattle". Puffed, as in empty. |
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Mroocore
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USA
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:05:59
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Originally posted by Alpha Soixante
I find this shocking, frankly. Bush takes imbecility to hitherto unimaginable heights, and calling them both imbeciles is like saying your highschool band teacher and Dizzie Gillespie are both "good trumpet players."
The suggestion that there's no lesser of two evils in this case can only come from profound ignorance or even more profound self-deception. We could make quite a list of the important differences, but I think only two are necessary. With Bush you'll get a complete refusal to recognize the reality of the situation in Iraq and a complete unwillingness to admit any mistake. And with Bush you'll get someone who is working for the neoconservatives who have explicitly stated their intention to "democratize" the entire Middle East.
i agree w/ your points, although i find voting based on 'lesser of two evils' to be akin to blackmail. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 13:13:03
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Originally posted by Erebus
Darwin, I can assure that there was absolutely NO thought of race in that.
Erebus, I don't think your racist. I really don't.
But I do think that your comment (whether intentional or not) was pushing that button (i.e. if Kerry wins, those squinty eyed bastards are going to overrun us, formerly known as "the yellow peril"). |
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