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Mr.John Murphy
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 Posted - 12/29/2002 : 06:01:46
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admit it or not but FB's solo project has never and will never reach the standards of the pixies (we all know this). Maby if u did a "best of FB album" u'd have enouff for a new great pixies album. But it's basically the same guy doing all the (still numero uno in the world)writing. Does FB need Kims influence that much? or maybe joe's screaming guitarr is the missing ingredience?
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fallus
- FB Fan -
Belgium
94 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 06:26:15
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Frank Black's solo stuff is just very different from the Pixies. It's a different style. If you liked the Pixies, that doesn't mean you will like Frank Black. But that doesn't make his solo stuff less good than the Pixies. He's gotten older, and moved on to other stuff, that's all.
He doesn't need Kim, although I did like her backing vocals a lot. But I don't think they would fit in with Frank's newer stuff.
As for Joey, he still plays on some Frank Black tracks.
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Mr.John Murphy
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/29/2002 : 09:18:02
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You have some good points there, yes he has gotten older and moved on, perhaps even grown up a litle, (if that's a good or bad thing is individual i guess). But my point was that it seems like as with many other "leaders of sucessful group go solo artists" frank has lost that little something that only a band can bring.
But to freely translate what i guess is a swedish saying:"taste is like the arsehole, divided" |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 10:49:48
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i think i'm a bigger fan of frank than the pixies now. and i started out loving the pixies and THEN got into frank. it's pretty ridiculous to state as fact that the pixies were better. it's opinion.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 11:00:55
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a band is a group of people playing instruments. i'd say he has one, and they're just as talented as anyone else. as fallus pointed out, and is totally obvious, joey santiago still pops up now and then.
you just want him to scream at the top of his lungs and talk about un chien andalou. well tough shit, people grow up. after a certain amount of time, real artists evolve. you want people who do the same boring shit year after year, go listen to aerosmith.
the fact that you think kim's influence is why the pixies sound is different from any of frank's solo stuff (not all of which sounds the same) is a signal that you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about.
the pixies were great. frank's solo stuff is great.
i own albums by tori amos and by skinny puppy. one is not better than the other. they are different and both great in their own ways. learn to appreciate different things. aka, grow up. |
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zanni67
= Bio Elf =
643 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 13:31:54
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"frank has lost that little something that only a band can bring"
Ah, hellooooo?? They're called The Catholics, and they fucking ROCK!
Zan
P.S. No offense meant, it's just that he does have a band!!
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
308 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 13:50:32
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Kim cowrote, what? Two songs? She didn't really have that much of an influence over the Pixies, sorry. And Frank has lost something in transition from frontman of the Pixies to solo artist? In my opinion, his song structures started becoming rather complex on Bossanova, and I don't think he really came into fruition as an artist totally until Teenager. So, er, yeah. I don't know what the point of this message is. Just to say I like his solo work a lot better than the Pixies, I suppose.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 14:26:52
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I go through stages of liking Frank Black more than Pixies, then the other way around. Franks work is as good as the Pixies if you ask my opinion.... and for those idiots who think that Kim was the driving force (and believe me there are many), then thats just bollocks. I don't mind Kim Deal as an artist (I have all of her other albums) but like JamesM points out, she didn't really write much. I do like her input though, her backing vocals are superb, and his bass fits in perfectly.... but she wasn't the driving force, Black Fracis was as he wrote all of the songs. Shit, Ive gone off on one a little here.... Pixies and FB share the same status in my opinion.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 18:05:39
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| Though I understand the concept of artistic maturation and its relation to new developments in Frank Black's music, that doesn't change the fact that most Pixies songs give me the chills whereas only about a third or fourth of the solo/Catholics material produces the same effect. In my opinion, the only FB albums that come close to the Pixies' by way of sheer transcendance are Teenager Of The Year and Pistolero... and MAYBE Dog In The Sand. Lastly, I think everyone here is aware of the level to which Kim Deal's involvement in the Pixies' songriting department and the cohesion of the band's overall aesthetic is exaggerated, so condescension on the part of FB/Catholics fans to Pixies fans in regards to the matter is most likely unnecessary. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 18:11:25
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| Or I'm a jerk. |
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =
914 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2002 : 18:53:13
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| For me, the Catholics are a much better band and FB writes better songs now than he did with the Pixies, but as mr. john murphey said before, he will probably never be as recognized for his new stuff as for his old stuff. I credit this mostly to the fact that pixies were "revolutionary" , and a certain frontman for a certain grunge band, said the pixies were his biggest influence numerous times. his post pixies catalog is amazing, if he stopped now i would be content with what he has put out, however i'm still thrilled he's churnin' em out. |
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Mr.John Murphy
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/30/2002 : 03:11:07
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hmm i feel like i've been a little misunderstood. It's not like I don't like franks solo stuff, because I do, alot. But i admit i'm not as aware of details about him and the catholics as i could be. But i do know this!! he didn't call it Frank Black and the Pixies for a reason. I look upon artist's like Neil Young and Nick Cave as SOLO artists, but yes Neil worked mostly with one band or another, like crazy horse, Bluenote or pearl jam. And Cave worked mostly with the bad seeds. Most solo artists have musicians backing them up, anything else would be pretty stupid. And thoose musicians influence the artist at some point aswell i guess. Say Kim Deal would have been the singer/writer of the pixies. You think they would sound exactly like the breedes or the amps? No, not likely. Yes FB was the genius and driving force behind the pixies and did close to all the writing. Kim did write one of the greatest songs of all time, Gigantic. they cowrote the music i think, if my data isn't totally screwed up. Maybe he felt a little "threatened" by Kims talent and therefore made her contributions smaller and further apart on later albums and finnaly went solo, but thats a completely diffrent topic ey? :)
finnaly i want to say that MY OPINION,(i believe that expressing one's opinion is what you do at forums?) is just that as with many other great writers his absolutely best work is behind him. Had he gone solo from the start it would still be so, and that's just the way it goes. I do hope Frank Black goes on and write the best music this world will see for a long time untill he's 70, picture him all wrinkled screaming TAME at the top of his lungs :) ...after all he did write it |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 10:00:54
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god you're stupid. |
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Mr.John Murphy
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/30/2002 : 10:13:15
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
god you're stupid.
as i gazed upon this monster of an insult sadly all i could come up with was: ...uhm.........errrr..eehh....OH YEAH? |
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zanni67
= Bio Elf =
643 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 13:33:01
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Hey, you are entitled to your opinion! I give you credit for saying what you think and feel. I like everything that Frank has done, and even saying that emits similar responses. Yes, I'll take that CD of Frank doing absoluteley nothing and think it is great, thank you very much. Haven't you heard of it??? It's called "Frank Just Sitting There Doing Nothing". Anyway, so the self-depricating font isn't working too well today. But I think you get the drift Mr. Murphy. And for those of you who want to call me stupid, loser, lame, spineless-afraid-to-say-anything-bad-about-Frank, etc etc etc... go right fucking ahead. Like I could give a rat's ass.
There it is, take it,
Zan
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 13:54:43
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How bout those of us who think you are smart and wise and right on?
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St. Francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
548 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 19:04:22
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Coke or Pepsi?
Coparisons are getting old... can't they both be good but different? Equally good in a very real sense? What's the basis of comparison?
Rich is as good as Joey. Dave Mc is as good a bass player as Kim. Maybe it's the fact (and I think this is applicable to all these types of threads) people simply want the Pixies everytime Frank plugs in his guitar. An eternal return to better(younger)days any time the music starts... instant time machine.
Really his solo stuff is more prolific... think about it.
Sorry I'm a bit grumpy.
I'm off to start a Coke or Pepsi thread somewhere on the site.
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Edited by - St. Francis on 12/30/2002 19:05:31 |
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St. Francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
548 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 19:07:02
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In addition...
Sorry thought I was was not in the Pixies part of the Forum. Let me reassert I am tired... not deleting the post though...
Yeah! Me! |
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 20:26:25
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| Pepsi here, though Coke was awesome between 1986-1991. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2002 : 21:35:59
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i prefer aldi's brand.
dave mc is a better bass player than little kimmy. and that is that.
-dan |
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Mr.John Murphy
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/31/2002 : 05:39:32
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| hehe better bass player...i hope i don't have to point out to anyone who likes pixies/FB that good music isn't about who can make the best basslicks or whatever. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2002 : 07:36:43
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you don't.
dave isn't all over the fret board, but he's surely better than kim. kim's talent was perfect for the pixies and i wouldn't change a thing, but the catholics is a better band who needs better musicians for the music they play.
-dan |
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zanni67
= Bio Elf =
643 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2002 : 10:21:02
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quote:
Originally posted by ramona
How bout those of us who think you are smart and wise and right on?
Well I'm open for compliments 24/7! Hee...
Thanks, Dear.
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/01/2003 : 09:47:22
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Well, I think Frank nailed it when he said that when you're the new band in town, everyone is excited about you, there is a certain buzz that by definition disappears when you're not new anymore.
Also, I gotta ask, how many people are nostalgic about the Pixies? we've had people in other forums here confess to be out of touch with the current Rock scene. Isn't it possible, even probable, that nostalgy has alot to do with the preference of Pixies to FB music?
[It's interesting to see that in recent years, albums like 'teenager of the year' seem to have been retroactively upgraded? The Cult of Ray and FB&TC were a 'return to the Pixies style hard-rock', while DitS and BLD are 'returns to the experimental rock of FB's debut album' :-)
And another thing may be the target audience. Most FB/Pixies fans come from the Alternative Rock/Punk scenes. FB's post Pixies (and especially his most recent work) draws much more explicitely on Blues, Country and Folk, and is much less similar to the punk and alternative music that the Pixies crowd likes. One reviewer noted that FB obviously was listening less to the Violent Femmes and Husker Du and more to the Rolling Stones. So, if Pixies fans are more fans of the Femmes then the stones, it would make sense that they would like Pixies music better than FB%TC stuff. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2003 : 09:36:34
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Unlike a lot of FB fans, I actually started listening to his solo stuff before I ever heard the pixies. While I do love the pixie stuff, I can't help but feel that Frank's solo music is much better. This, however, is a matter of opinion, as mentioned earlier. Diehard pixie fans still need to realize that the pixies are dead, no matter what Frank is listening to. Moreover, I think it is really crappy when people go to Frank's concerts and yell for him to play pixie songs. When I go see Frank Black and the Catholics in concert I am happy with ANY song they play (It's Frank Black!). That is what the mentality should be of true Frank Black fans. Considering how unsuccessful his records we should be thankful that he is still playing. I know I am.
On the subject of bass players and and guitarists; anybody who plugs Kim or Joey over the current Catholics lineup obviously hasn't been to a FB show lately. These guys really rock! So to anybody who says Frank's best days are behind him, I urge you to pray a little faster, and be thankful he is still jammin'. Anybody else would have given up by now. Oh yeah, and in my opinion, Frank's stuff keeps getting better and better. And yes, I listen to the Violent Femmes everyday.
Leonard Cohen is cool. |
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2003 : 17:38:16
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I am definitely in the opinion that his songwriting has gotten much better with age. I have been into Frank from almost the start so it is like I've grown with him and his styles. The thing that speaks to me the most to me, is that I liisten to Frank Black solo every single day. I listen to The Pixies every once in a while.
I do agree that some artist do lose it. A perfect example of that for me is Sting. I loved The Police and I can't stand solo sting. It is also similiar because Sting wrote the majority of all of the music in the Police but Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland just brought something to the table that was very unique. The Catholics bring that special something to Franks music just as much as the members of The Pixies did.
You can tell that Frank writes from his heart and you can hear that in his music today. I am so glad he doesn't try to do some retread Pixies thing. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2003 : 20:01:06
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Well put.
Leonard Cohen is cool.
"What the fuck are we doing in the desert?" |
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2003 : 16:43:11
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