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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:06:19  Show Profile
This is probably unethical and inhumane and the like but hey,they deserve it.
I think when found guilty they should(assuming they're men)have their left testicle removed,with only a local anaesthetic so they can see it all,then get warned if they do it again the other one comes off.
Any thoughts?


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El Barto
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:09:05  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage
Yeah, er, last time I checked this was the 21st century....


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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:12:52  Show Profile
barto, shit worse than that still happens.. in the 21st Century.

i almost agree with shakey. i have no sympathy for people who commit those kinds of crimes against children. i think that's about the worst of the worst.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:13:02  Show Profile  Visit TheCroutonFuton's Homepage
Yeah...and with the amount of women who lie about being raped/molested...etc...I think there would be too many innocent 1-testicled men walking around..

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Carolynanna
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:15:37  Show Profile
Crouton you're walking a very fine line there,
watch your step.
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ShakeyShake
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:17:24  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton

Yeah...and with the amount of women who lie about being raped/molested...etc...I think there would be too many innocent 1-testicled men walking around..



And that's what the justice system's there for,to distinguish the innocent from the guilty


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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:17:58  Show Profile  Visit TheCroutonFuton's Homepage
Hmm? I believe the stats are:

For every woman who reports a true rape there is one who reports a false one and three women who are afraid to come forward who really were raped. Both sexes have their plunders...*sigh* Life blows.

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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:19:31  Show Profile  Visit TheCroutonFuton's Homepage
There should just be a button somewhere:

"Press To Eliminate All Murderers, Sexual Offenders, And Anyone Else Who Doesn't Deserve To Walk This Earth"

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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:20:29  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton

Hmm? I believe the stats are:

For every woman who reports a true rape there is one who reports a false one...


So they found out thy were lying.What's the problem?


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ShakeyShake
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  17:22:37  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton

There should just be a button somewhere:

"Press To Eliminate All Murderers, Sexual Offenders, And Anyone Else Who Doesn't Deserve To Walk This Earth"


I'd love to agree with this,but the sad thing is that thousands of people would be out of a job as a result


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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:03:05  Show Profile  Visit mun chien andalusia's Homepage  Click to see mun chien andalusia's MSN Messenger address
there's no justice system that can distinguish with 100% accuracy a guilty from an innocent.maybe unfair for the victims but i prefer 10 guilties out of prison to an innocent in.far too many cases of innocent people paying for a crime they didn't commit.i will not comment the legalization of violence as punishement for whatever crime.if you kill a killer in what way are you different from him?human law is not and cannot be an excuse to perpetrate sadism.(see death penalty)


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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:03:42  Show Profile  Visit mun chien andalusia's Homepage  Click to see mun chien andalusia's MSN Messenger address
there's no justice system that can distinguish with 100% accuracy a guilty from an innocent.maybe unfair for the victims but i prefer 10 guilties out of prison to an innocent in.far too many cases of innocent people paying for a crime they didn't commit.i will not comment the legalization of violence as punishement for whatever crime.if you kill a killer in what way are you different from him?human law is not and cannot be an excuse to perpetrate sadism.(see death penalty)


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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:10:28  Show Profile
Well it isn't actually violence,and you have to admit some people do deserve it.Try and see it from the families pov,if some sicko was fiddling with your 3 year old daughter,you wouldn't be able to hand out enough punishment to fit the crime


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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:10:41  Show Profile  Visit GypsyDeath's Homepage
You really are pushing your luck today crouton.

Anyway. I thinnk all peodephiles and sex offenders should be named, and there should be some sort of website, where a data base of them, their record, and their whereaboutrs is, whcih gets updated frequently.

Also I think posters of any new offenders should be put up everywhere in the area...

But ya know, they say that most children are molested by someone they know...usually a family friend or member, which, from the people I know of is very true..theres ono way round it.

Its never gonna stop



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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:14:43  Show Profile
What's with the double posts?


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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:21:46  Show Profile  Visit mun chien andalusia's Homepage  Click to see mun chien andalusia's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by ShakeyShake

Well it isn't actually violence,and you have to admit some people do deserve it.Try and see it from the families pov,if some sicko was fiddling with your 3 year old daughter,you wouldn't be able to hand out enough punishment to fit the crime


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try and see if they give you the chair and you are innocent.family vengeance isn't a good advisor for law.unless you consider mafia the best justice system.though i understand family pain it cannot be used as an excuse to go on commiting the same crimes you should be punishing(or hopefully avoiding).you just can't fight fire with fire.


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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:25:48  Show Profile  Visit mun chien andalusia's Homepage  Click to see mun chien andalusia's MSN Messenger address
sorry about the double.the site has a lot of lag today.don't know why.


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ShakeyShake
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:28:06  Show Profile
Hmm wasn't just referring to you mun,gypsy did it aswell.thats right i saw her.


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Adnan_le_Terrible
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France
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:29:15  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by ShakeyShake

This is probably unethical and inhumane and the like but hey,they deserve it.
I think when found guilty they should(assuming they're men)have their left testicle removed,with only a local anaesthetic so they can see it all,then get warned if they do it again the other one comes off.
Any thoughts?


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I agree with Jim, I don't think it's a good idea. I mean, it's not because they have testicles that they commit these awful crimes. I have a pair of testicles, but I never think of (believe me) raping children. I think these guys are really seriously disturbed. You could also remove their eyes - it would be difficult to rape children if they arer blind. But justice is not about becoming butchers. If by punishing people that you can probably consider as monsters, we become monsters ourselves, I don't think it's a good evolution. I don't see why mutilation would be a privileged means of punishment. Think about it, why mutilation?

You can also treat criminals in a civilised way without being too soft, I guess.



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Adnan_le_Terrible
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:35:50  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage
Oh and I don't think it has anything to do with a strong message we send to them (if you do it again, you lose your next testicle). It is VERY simplistic. If this guy is really nuts, and I guess you have to be, then he doesn't give a fuck about being warned. It's not like a guy who didn't pay his taxes or something. We are talking about deeply disturbed people.



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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:36:40  Show Profile  Visit GypsyDeath's Homepage
haha, yeah, it keeps coming up with :

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e31'

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]Timeout expired

/forum.asp, line 331

and so i go back and post again, and then it shows up, and theres two...sorry!



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floop
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:37:22  Show Profile
for the record, i don't think that would literally be a good solution. but i share shakey's sentiments. that's all..
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:41:13  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible


..... I mean, it's not because they have testicles that they commit these awful crimes.

But by the same reasoning it's not because people have hands that they commit theft,but the punishment's used...somewhere

What i'm suggesting is what i think would be the best way to discourage them from doing it,yes also as a punishment.

Why mutilation?Well it's always there to remind them the outcome of what happened before,removes the urge(to a certain extent) and I'm too tired to think of a 3rd reason


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Adnan_le_Terrible
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France
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:46:50  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by TheCroutonFuton

Hmm? I believe the stats are:

For every woman who reports a true rape there is one who reports a false one and three women who are afraid to come forward who really were raped. Both sexes have their plunders...*sigh* Life blows.

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I have a good story about this. During my second year of studies in Toulouse, a girl who studied with me reported a rape. She was allegedly raped in the toilets, by two guys who forced her to a fellatio. After two weeks (it was a scandal, we were controlled all the time, you couldn't go and piss without a policeman behind your back) the truth appeared : she invented it because she wanted to quit her studies and go to university (in France, we have these "classe prépa" where I was and which are more difficult than University), and her parents disagreed, so she invented that rape.

However, I'm not trying to play down the horror of sexual aggressions. In a street close to the place where I was studying (curiously, all these horrible things took place in a rather nice part of Toulouse, which is a quite peaceful city), a guy was raped, and he had a nervous breakdown and committed suicide soon after (I guess it's more difficult for guys, for two reasons). I was so scared after that : each time I was going out, I had to take that street to come back home .



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ShakeyShake
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:50:22  Show Profile
That's just weird,how a guy can get raped.They must be drugged with some date rape/viagra stuff.Or it's another guy doing it.


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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:52:19  Show Profile  Visit mun chien andalusia's Homepage  Click to see mun chien andalusia's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by ShakeyShake

quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible


..... I mean, it's not because they have testicles that they commit these awful crimes.

But by the same reasoning it's not because people have hands that they commit theft,but the punishment's used...somewhere

What i'm suggesting is what i think would be the best way to discourage them from doing it,yes also as a punishment.

Why mutilation?Well it's always there to remind them the outcome of what happened before,removes the urge(to a certain extent) and I'm too tired to think of a 3rd reason


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arabs use the eye for an eye law for centuries.they cut the hand of a thief when they get one.did that discourage arab thieves from stealing?i think not.don't put your sentiments above logic.and corporal punishment is the cause of many psychiatrical disturbs.statistics prove that many paedophiles were abused children.


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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:56:53  Show Profile
Ugh it's almost 3 in the morning,there's too many long words and i've run out of arguments for today.


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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:57:07  Show Profile  Visit mun chien andalusia's Homepage  Click to see mun chien andalusia's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
In a street close to the place where I was studying (curiously, all these horrible things took place in a rather nice part of Toulouse, which is a quite peaceful city)


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coincidence?i'd say that you had something to do with it.one testicle off one to go...


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Adnan_le_Terrible
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  18:57:15  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by ShakeyShake

quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible


..... I mean, it's not because they have testicles that they commit these awful crimes.

But by the same reasoning it's not because people have hands that they commit theft,but the punishment's used...somewhere

What i'm suggesting is what i think would be the best way to discourage them from doing it,yes also as a punishment.

Why mutilation?Well it's always there to remind them the outcome of what happened before,removes the urge(to a certain extent) and I'm too tired to think of a 3rd reason


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Once again, I think that it is really not a matter of calculation where the rapist weights the pleasure of the rape and the punishment he risks. Once again, they are really seriously sick. It doesn't mean we should show compassion, but I consider the death penalty more humane than mutilation, which really makes me sick. You have to consider the guilty person as a man, in his integrity, even if he's a horrible criminal. By mutilating, you dishumanise him (correct my English if there's a mistake) and I think that if you want to judge someone as a RESPONSIBLE human being, you have to consider him as human in his integrity. By considering him as a combination of organs that you can cut, burn, remove etc, you don't consider him as a responsible person, more like an animal.

From a philosophical (moral) as well as practical point of view, I think mutilation should be banned.



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Adnan_le_Terrible
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  19:02:05  Show Profile  Visit Adnan_le_Terrible's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia

quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
In a street close to the place where I was studying (curiously, all these horrible things took place in a rather nice part of Toulouse, which is a quite peaceful city)


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coincidence?i'd say that you had something to do with it.one testicle off one to go...


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Sorry to disappoint you, Mon Toutou, but they found the guys who did that (there were two of them) and they went to jail.



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BLT
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Posted - 02/20/2004 :  20:09:49  Show Profile
Much as I loathe sexual offenders of children, I don't believe maiming them will do any good. Something deep and sinister drives them, and modern "mental health" practitioners don't have a clue what it is or how to solve it-- look at the number of repeat offenders.

I believe locking them up is the best solution for now. The prison population has it's own way of dealing with child molesters, and I'd consider it more harsh than a testicle removal.



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gracie
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Posted - 02/21/2004 :  05:26:16  Show Profile
People who abuse children are sick and cutting off their balls would make no difference.

Many of them cannot control their urges and have had an abusive experience themselves.This does not excuse their behaviour and does not mean that they deserve compassion. They should be locked up so they can be kept away from children, however i find the idea of death or mutilation really rather sick.

I think it is demeaning to kill another human being and drags you down to their level of animal instincts.

I also agree with however said that justice should not be dictated or decided on the basis of a family's anger, however understandable that anger may be.

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bumblebeeboy2
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Posted - 02/21/2004 :  05:57:14  Show Profile  Click to see bumblebeeboy2's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by GypsyDeath

You really are pushing your luck today crouton.

Anyway. I thinnk all peodephiles and sex offenders should be named, and there should be some sort of website, where a data base of them, their record, and their whereaboutrs is, whcih gets updated frequently.

Also I think posters of any new offenders should be put up everywhere in the area...

But ya know, they say that most children are molested by someone they know...usually a family friend or member, which, from the people I know of is very true..theres ono way round it.

Its never gonna stop



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the naming and 'postering' is just another type of 'not on my doorstep' type mentality. by doing that you force them to go into hiding, or to another area, making it harder for the police to keep track of them... not an ideal situation at all.

i see what crouton was saying earlier... there have been *so* many people accused and then inprisoned *before* trial, waiting for their trial date to come, not allowed bail because they're deemed a danger, based on one persons accusation... if you're going to start chopping people's balls off then you need a pretty tight and impressive trial system with very little room for error...




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realmeanmotorscutor
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Posted - 02/21/2004 :  08:03:19  Show Profile
What's with all the "you're pushing your luck Crouton" shit going on? The man makes a valid point and you just dismiss it? Guess you guys don't go in for logic and reason, eh?

And by the way, men can absolutely be raped and by women too! Seems everyone's asshole side is coming out. Chauvinism is also running rampant here lately and what's worse is that the ladies are supporting it. There used to be a time when the world could at least count on women to be decent people but those days are no longer:(


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quote:
gracie Posted - 02/21/2004 : 05:26:16
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People who abuse children are sick and cutting off their balls would make no difference.
Detesticling would just create a different type of illness. If the punishment can't rehabilitate the offender, its not worth squat.
On a related note, we hear so much about police sweeps catching people who've downloaded from childporn sites but very little about the creditcard companies who are very happy to take their money first, and thus the ohso active part the banking industry play in paedophiliac culture.

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