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The King Of Karaoke
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 Posted - 01/31/2004 : 10:10:13
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Originally posted by Thomas
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Originally posted by Scarla O
Hey Thomas, some of us are using work computers - i'd rather not get the sack for clicking on that link.
You're right, I'm sorry.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak my mind.
I lost my job this past year. When William Clinton was president I was secure and prosperous, but in the last year, we had to close our operations. We simply could not compete with foreign labor. This foreign labor worked for low pay under very bad conditions. They worked very long shifts, and many even died on the job.
This competition could hardly be called "fair." I was forced out of the place where I had worked for 34 years. Not a single government program was there to help me. How can Bush call himself "compassionate?"
Far worse, I lost two of my sons in Bush's evil war in Iraq. They gave their lives for their country, and for what? So that Bush's oil buddies can get rich.
My pain of losing my sons is indescribable. While it is trivial next to the loss of my sons, I regret to say that I also lost my home. I simply have nothing left.
How can Bush call himself a Christian when he neglects people like me? I am a senior citizen with various medical problems. I'm not in a position where I can begin a new career. I was reduced to the point where I had to live in a hole in a ground, all because of President Bush. And when the authorities found me there, did they have any compassion for my misfortune and ailments?
No, I was arrested.
Mr. Bush, I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a compassionate man! I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a Christian! If I had any money left, I would donate it to the Democrat Party.
If Al Gore had been elected in 2000 I would still have a job, a home, and most importantly, my dear sons!
Regards,
Saddam Hussein
Thomas, you did not speak your mind just then. You just passed along some
propaganda disguised as a form of lame internet comedy.
Although border line clever it still leaves the question, "Why?".
Why did we do what we've done in Iraq, Thomas?
That is what is being discussed here.
I realize New York City went through a lot on, as well as after, September eleventh. I can't imagine what it was like to be in the heart of that. Particularly as a police officer.
Like I had stated in a previous post, our leaders knew much earlier on that an attack was planned. Why didn't they step up to the plate and protect this country's citizens? Weren't we just coming out of the most prosperous decade in our history? All those tax dollars we were paying couldn't provide some protective measures for us?
After the terrorist attacks on 9 -11, I was left with one question. Why would someone do this? Am I to go with the excuse that it's because these people are evil doers? Does this sound like a good enough reason to you Thomas?
Peruse this website Thomas, out of curiousity at least. The host is not some nut sitting in front of his computer writing his opinion on everything. It's a compilation of news sources from around the world.
With news from around the world, you can get one collective idea and then hopefully form an educated opinion (your own) on what's going on.
Then when you go home and turn on the television put on CNN or whatever and watch how they are only interested showing you what is going to make them money on that day. Watch their opinions sway with whatever the popular opinion is at the time.
I was watching MSNBC I few weeks back. A poll question came across the screen that read, "Is Britney Spears out of Control?" email us with your answers. Oh I emailed them. With answers to their ridiculousness. This type of stuff is not news. Although, if I don't shake myself every once and a while I may end up thinking it is.
Speaking of shaking myself. Thanks again for that website you linked in your post yesterday. It's great! |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 10:23:20
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Originally posted by Dallas
This is ridiculous.
So as a response I should post pics of the mass graves where about 500,000 dead iraqi's were buried? Or get you some of the video footage from Saddam's torture tapes? Can you tell me if that kid's parents or siblings were tortured and or killed by Saddam? Raped as a form of punishment for dissent? Placed into a plastic shredder?
Dallas you don't have to post the pictures themselves, but could you provide me with a link to where I can see Saddam raping people and throwing them in a plastic shredder?
Edit: Allow me to clarify something about the above request I made of Dallas earlier.
I realize Saddam was an evil dictator. I also realize that he commited many atrocities against his people. The point of that post was that Dallas in his statement, threw in the ever popular raping and even more popular (?) plastic shredder line. We all know how fond those evildoers are of raping and plastic shredders. Then he alluded to these fictitious pictures as if they were available for him to post.
So yeah, Dallas, if you have some "Evil Doer" photo album sitting on your coffee table please share the horror.
I'm also still waiting for the news resource that is not for us "Dolts." The one you "Oh Master of all that is Propaganda" use and have access to. I suspect you can access yours every evening around six, while sitting on your couch.
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apl4eris
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 10:32:00
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
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Originally posted by Dallas
This is ridiculous.
So as a response I should post pics of the mass graves where about 500,000 dead iraqi's were buried? Or get you some of the video footage from Saddam's torture tapes? Can you tell me if that kid's parents or siblings were tortured and or killed by Saddam? Raped as a form of punishment for dissent? Placed into a plastic shredder?
Dallas you don't have to post the pictures themselves, but could you provide me with a link to where I can see Saddam raping people and throwing them in a plastic shredder?
Dallas is just gonna repeat the "fact" that no pictures of those atrocities are available because it was a closed regime; I assume that therefore means that we had no intelligence agents in the country, which also would make it very difficult to know anything at all about the regime and its "WMD" programs. However, we do seem to be able to readily access images of him "gassing his own people", though no one in the Administration's camp seems to remember to mention that that was during a time that we were looking the other way, hoping that Saddam's regime would take care of the little "Iran problem" for us.
edit: There are videos of Saddam having people executed, and I have heard that there are also some of raping and torture, but I just wanted to illustrate that Dallas' argument premise was full of holes in this regard.
It is important to remember that Saddam and his regime were horrible, but that that is somewhat beside the point, when in all honesty, he was allowed to behave that way for many years. He is a prime example of the CIA's (and others') foreign policy strategies.
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GoddessTheory
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 10:35:47
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Nucyular Bomb the whole middle east. That'll teach them turrurists.
Barbqued Allah. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 10:37:40
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Originally posted by GoddessTheory
Nucyular Bomb the whole middle east. That'll teach them turrurists.
Barbqued Allah.
Hey! You're encroaching on my funny! You got your union card? |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 10:44:58
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Btw, as a matter of interest -if anyone wonders why the hell Bush pronounces nuclear the wrong way, my suspicions were correct -it is intentional. In fact, a long while ago, he used to say it correctly. I will find a link and post it if anybody is interested.
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 11:13:38
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questions for dallas:
1:is it true or not that reagan and bush(father)armed and/or tollerated saddam for years without giving a fuck about the people and changed their minds when they no longer needed him?
2:is it true or not that the us secret services armed and financed (and still do)brutal regimes all over the world?
3:is it true or not that the talibans were armed by the us goverment and until they became a pain in the(us)ass they were considered a "stability factor" in asia?
4:is it true or not that the us tollerates israel's nuclear arsenal though they keep opressing the palestinians?
5:is it true or not that after france's and russia's vetos the u.s put economic pressure on poor african countries in order to approve their war on iraq and get at least the moral majority in the u.n council?
a simple yes or no please.
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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VoVat
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 12:48:43
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I was watching MSNBC I few weeks back. A poll question came across the screen that read, "Is Britney Spears out of Control?" email us with your answers.
I think the answer is obvious to anyone with half a brain: Britney was behind the war in Iraq! Oops, she did it again!
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Btw, as a matter of interest -if anyone wonders why the hell Bush pronounces nuclear the wrong way, my suspicions were correct -it is intentional. In fact, a long while ago, he used to say it correctly. I will find a link and post it if anybody is interested.
Oh, God, that's ridiculous. I'd be interested in the link, by the way.
Oh, and an unrelated (well, sort of meta-related, I guess) question: How do I get the "originally posted by" bits in the stuff I'm quoting?
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 13:19:54
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I'm hesitant to post this because I'm not sure I have the story straight. Anyone that can elaborate please do.
I have heard stuff to the effect that the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait was because Kuwait was angle drilling into it's oil. Iraq went to the UN as well as the US and asked that there be something done about this. We told him to go ahead with his military action and that we wouldn't interfere. Once he invaded we step in and started bombing. Also that we were the ones supplying the materials to Kuwait to do that drilling.
Anyone ever hear of this? Also what I'm not clear on is, what exactly did Saddam do to get on our hit list. Was it that he wanted to control his own oil?
Thanks
I'd research this more but on my way out the door.
EDIT: Okay, researched it. New post further down the page.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 01/31/2004 : 13:48:14
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I'd research this more but on my way out the door.
You're a poet, and you didn't know it!
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
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MangyKid
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 10:59:27
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"For every family member that got killed, I got a pudding cup. I have 7 pudding cups!! Thank you Uncle Sam!"
Unfortunately, the pudding cups looked like just like the mines which were also dropped, and simply caused more deaths. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 18:53:09
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It's a long one, but sums it up well.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5530.htm
Okay, I just sat through the entire 45 minutes of this very interesting CSPAN speech by Ted Kennedy.
I'm still not sure if Britney is out of control or not. He didn't mention her once. I hope he was being fair and balanced. |
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 20:06:24
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just needed a thread to test out my new signature
 "Join the Cult of Reunion / And start a thread that will get locked." |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 20:11:48
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Dallas, I feel bad that you are not on line right now to respond to some of these posts I've made (comical or serious) but take your time.
The point of this post is that you are a prime example of what is described in this article. In particular the fourth paragraph.
http://www.empirepage.com/guesteds/guesteds161.html
By the way I'm finding all this stuff on my crappy website. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 20:25:54
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I'm hesitant to post this because I'm not sure I have the story straight. Anyone that can elaborate please do.
I have heard stuff to the effect that the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait was because Kuwait was angle drilling into it's oil. Iraq went to the UN as well as the US and asked that there be something done about this. We told him to go ahead with his military action and that we wouldn't interfere. Once he invaded we step in and started bombing. Also that we were the ones supplying the materials to Kuwait to do that drilling.
Anyone ever hear of this? Also what I'm not clear on is, what exactly did Saddam do to get on our hit list. Was it that he wanted to control his own oil?
Thanks
I'd research this more but on my way out the door.
Here we are. It gets into it half way down the article.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4093.htm |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 20:54:08
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Man, I wish all that crap I and Spudboy posted on page 2 didn't get totally brushed over. I worked hard for those links, dammit. Am I 'sposed to be fightin' mad and red in the face to get a lil' response around here?
I feel like people just want to argue with Texans or something. Which is understandable, yes, but....well, Fuck!!
edit: I forgot about the required "sarcasm caveat". That was sarcasm. But I also wanted to point out that you lousy bastards didn't acknowledge my riveting and informative post (except for Cheeseman-cheeseypants tryin' to diss my grammar. Hey cheesey-pants, buy a dictionary, would ya?  ). So when are you gonna thank me for all that information?!?!
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen." |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 21:16:24
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Thanks Alp, I checked it briefly. I'm going back right now. I've been busy giving Dallas something to do at work tomorrow. Judging by the amount of posts he made Friday, it must be pretty slow over at the bow tie factory these days.
Any one getting the bow tie reference by the way? It seems to be the clothing article of choice by Neo Conservatives these days. In referencing it, I'm implying that perhaps Dallas has an underlying monetary motive for aligning himself with the Republicans.
Anyone actually checked out the website that started this fire? Opinions?
No not you Dallas!
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/01/2004 : 22:26:46
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Dear Dallas,
I know we're talking about serious issues here, but try not to take my jabs too seriously. I'm just having some fun (Make what you will of that gesture of kindness.).
If this topic gets too heated, you should join us for CroutonFuton's afternoon lecture: " The Whale Penis And It's Accompanying Massiveness" It's at 11:30 pst. Believe me, you don't want to miss it!
He, and more specifically his knowledge, of Marine mammal genitalia, is truly enthralling! I hope to see you there!
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5135
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2004 : 23:25:54
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Originally posted by apl4eris
Man, I wish all that crap I and Spudboy posted on page 2 didn't get totally brushed over. I worked hard for those links, dammit. Am I 'sposed to be fightin' mad and red in the face to get a lil' response around here?
I feel like people just want to argue with Texans or something. Which is understandable, yes, but....well, Fuck!!
edit: I forgot about the required "sarcasm caveat". That was sarcasm. But I also wanted to point out that you lousy bastards didn't acknowledge my riveting and informative post (except for Cheeseman-cheeseypants tryin' to diss my grammar. Hey cheesey-pants, buy a dictionary, would ya? ). So when are you gonna thank me for all that information?!?!
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."
There was a lot of reading there but I did it. Crazy stuff. |
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Dave Noisy
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 09:12:38
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Here you go King o' Karaoke, this also answers the 'why' question for those who cant seem to figure it out.
"See Men Shredded, Then Say You Don't Back War," by Ann Clwyd, MP
(Labor Party MP Ann Clwyd is chair of INDICT, which aims to try Iraqi
leaders) (740)
(The following article by British Labor Party Member of Parliament Ann
Clwyd first appeared in the Times of London March 18, 2003. She is
chair of INDICT, established in 1997 to campaign for the creation of
an ad hoc International Criminal Tribunal to try leading members of
the Iraqi regime on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity,
including genocide and torture.)
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See Men Shredded, Then Say You Don't Back War
By Ann Clwyd
(The author is a British Labour Party Member of Parliament.)
"There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped
into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head
first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died
screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their
remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be
used as fish food ... on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam
Hussein's youngest son] personally supervise these murders."
This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by
researchers from Indict -- the organisation I chair -- to provide
evidence for legal cases against specific Iraqi individuals for war
crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. This account was taken
in the past two weeks.
Another witness told us about practices of the security services
towards women: "Women were suspended by their hair as their families
watched; men were forced to watch as their wives were raped ... women
were suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their
periods were over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation."
The accounts Indict has heard over the past six years are disgusting
and horrifying. Our task is not merely passively to record what we are
told but to challenge it as well, so that the evidence we produce is
of the highest quality. All witnesses swear that their statements are
true and sign them.
For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the
people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam. The 17 UN resolutions passed
since 1991 on Iraq include Resolution 688, which calls for an end to
repression of Iraqi civilians. It has been ignored. Torture, execution
and ethnic-cleansing are everyday life in Saddam's Iraq.
Were it not for the no-fly zones in the south and north of Iraq --
which some people still claim are illegal -- the Kurds and the Shia
would no doubt still be attacked by Iraqi helicopter gunships.
For more than 20 years, senior Iraqi officials have committed
genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. This list includes
far more than the gassing of 5,000 in Halabja and other villages in
1988. It includes serial war crimes during the Iran-Iraq war; the
genocidal Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds in 1987-88; the
invasion of Kuwait and the killing of more than 1,000 Kuwaiti
civilians; the violent suppression, which I witnessed, of the 1991
Kurdish uprising that led to 30,000 or more civilian deaths; the
draining of the Southern Marshes during the 1990s, which ethnically
cleansed thousands of Shias; and the summary executions of thousands
of political opponents.
Many Iraqis wonder why the world applauded the military intervention
that eventually rescued the Cambodians from Pol Pot and the Ugandans
from Idi Amin when these took place without UN help. They ask why the
world has ignored the crimes against them?
All these crimes have been recorded in detail by the UN, the US,
Kuwaiti, British, Iranian and other Governments and groups such as
Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and Indict. Yet the Security Council has
failed to set up a war crimes tribunal on Iraq because of opposition
from France, China and Russia. As a result, no Iraqi official has ever
been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. I have
said incessantly that I would have preferred such a tribunal to war.
But the time for offering Saddam incentives and more time is over.
I do not have a monopoly on wisdom or morality. But I know one thing.
This evil, fascist regime must come to an end. With or without the
help of the Security Council, and with or without the backing of the
Labour Party in the House of Commons tonight.
END OF ARTICLE
If you need a photo, you'll have to find it yourself. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 09:45:38
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That's a great article. It's the type of thing I want to read more of. I've been having trouble with a lot of what you say because it's been coming across (no offense) as the same type of spin I hear from all the "super plastic flag patriots". Now what I'm interested in doing, is reading some more articles like it, so where did you get that? Please provide a link. There are many questions I have unanswered that I want answers to. I can't just have one person telling me, "these are the answers". I see it's a legit article but is there somewhere I can go for more information?
As a person with an interest in the events of the world, which you obviously are, have you looked around the site that I provided? Do you try to get news from all sources and then form your beliefs?
As a final note: YES!! ONLY TWO MORE HOURS TO CROUTON'S LECTURE!
I joined the cult of CroutonFuton. Now I'm worshipping this giant golden whale phallus. Please help! |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 10:49:45
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Hey, KoK, I have yet to listen to the speech, which I will do later today. As far as the website you posted, which was the starting point of this thread, thank you for bringing it to our attention. The site tries to fill a dangerous gap in the mainstream media's "coverage", although it is safe to say it does show bias in its choices of articles it culls from the cutting room floor. I don't mind, I just take it with a healthy dose of salt. I get my defense, corporate-interest and administration-leaning "news" easily enough already. To be fair, the webmaster states his intentions and point for the site's "bias" bias clearly here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/intent.htm
I would really like to know who this "Tom" is (I'm an equal-opportunity skeptic when it comes to the media and its presenters). I'm probably not alone....I'm sure I'm not the only one to doubt the authenticity of sources like Salam Pax and his "eye-witness" war blog.
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I would in turn like to share:
An extremely interesting story on "This American Life" about the CIA's covert operations in Guatemala in the 1950's. They supposedly helped to effect a coup by convincing the government that it was surrounded by legions of armed and organized fighters, just by running a three-person, CIA-trained "guerilla" radio broadcast, playing mostly pre-taped speech from Florida and Nicaragua.
from: http://www.thislife.org/
"Don't Believe Anything You Hear on the Radio. The story of a clandestine radio station the CIA set up back in the good old bad old days of the fifties, to overthrow Guatemala. The coup succeeded because of the immense power of radio. Or that's what the CIA believed, anyway. We play the recently declassified tapes of the station's broadcasts. We believe it's the first time they've ever been broadcast in this country."...
Free radio archive of the show (just click the RealAudio link):
http://207.70.82.73/pages/descriptions/01/200.html
More information on this type of topic:
specific topic at the National Security Archives - declassified Top secret documents:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/
General resources:
http://www.clandestineradio.com/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/
"Our house has seven doors, all are green...except one, which is yellow."
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen." |
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Dave Noisy
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 10:49:52
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Interesting article...but of course with lines like:
"For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam."
We don't see any consistency...but of course, i'm finding this to be an expectation, not an exception. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 11:04:34
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quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris
Hey, KoK, I have yet to listen to the speech, which I will do later today. As far as the website you posted, which was the starting point of this thread, thank you for bringing it to our attention. The site tries to fill a dangerous gap in the mainstream media's "coverage", although it is safe to say it does show bias in its choices of articles it culls from the cutting room floor. I don't mind, I just take it with a healthy dose of salt. I get my defense, corporate-interest and administration-leaning "news" easily enough already. To be fair, the webmaster states his intentions and point for the site's "bias" bias clearly here:
excerpt from http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/intent.htm
"Purpose and Intent of this website:
This website does not suggest that it contains the "truth". The truth is a combination of all information and all facts relating to a topic. It is therefore unachievable (in my opinion) for anyone to say "I know the truth."
If you came to this site in search of "the truth" you will be disappointed. That is also true of CNN, FOX , ABC etc. If you came to gather information you may find it a useful resource.
Gibran says in the "Prophet" Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
That brings me to my first point:
John Adams said "Liberty can not be preserved without general knowledge among people" this statement points to the absolute necessity of an informed citizenry if our nation is to remain a functioning free society."...
I would really like to know who this "Tom" is (I'm an equal-opportunity skeptic when it comes to the media and its presenters). I'm probably not alone....I'm sure I'm not the only one to doubt the authenticity of sources like Salam Pax and his "eye-witness" war blog.
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I would in turn like to share:
An extremely interesting story on "This American Life" about the CIA's covert operations in Guatemala in the 1950's. They supposedly helped to effect a coup by convincing the government that it was surrounded by legions of armed and organized fighters, just by running a three-person, CIA-trained "guerilla" radio broadcast, playing mostly pre-taped speech from Florida and Nicaragua.
from: http://www.thislife.org/
"Don't Believe Anything You Hear on the Radio. The story of a clandestine radio station the CIA set up back in the good old bad old days of the fifties, to overthrow Guatemala. The coup succeeded because of the immense power of radio. Or that's what the CIA believed, anyway. We play the recently declassified tapes of the station's broadcasts. We believe it's the first time they've ever been broadcast in this country. Nancy Updike reports."...
Free radio archive of the show (just click the RealAudio link):
http://207.70.82.73/pages/descriptions/01/200.html
More information on this type of topic:
specific topic at the National Security Archives - declassified Top secret documents:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/
General resources:
http://www.clandestineradio.com/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/
"Our house has seven doors, all are green...except one, which is yellow."
"Wir müssen wissen. Wir werden wissen."
Thank's Alp, I will get to listening to that. if it's what I think it is I've seen stuff on it. Wasn't it Guatemala where the people democratically elected the leader they wanted? Then he took away the land from all the big US fruit corps. and gave it to his own people. Even land his family owned. After he did that, we helped stage a coup with guerillas we trained ( school of Americas?) and put in our own puppet leader who gave back the land to the Dole etc. Then proceeded to kill 200,000 (?) of his people.
Shakey on facts off the top of my head of course.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2004 : 11:16:21
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| Yep - that's the one. Very similar to what occurred in Chile and other countries as well. The piles of commonly forgotten history (and history-in-the-making) are enormous. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2004 : 18:51:13
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Understanding the US - Iraq crisis: http://www.ips-dc.org/iraq/primer4.htm#35
A good summary.
Edit: Good site for a lot of answers. Check US rush to war.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2004 : 19:12:07
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I guess Dallas quit after his copyright infringement yesterday. It's a shame, I really wanted to research some of his resources. Too bad he refused to provide them.
Good luck to you Dallas, in your dangerous new world!
By the way Dallas, I'm not a liberal. You were so quick to throw in Clinton's name in your first post the other day. Clinton was a fucking embarassment! I'm not even political. I'm just someone who loves America. I just don't like what the evil doers holding the reins, are evil doing with it.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 02:39:38
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another site with "interesting" articles that hasn't been mentioned here is
http://www.commondreams.org
i check it regularly, whenever i want to get angry at something.
~95% of the articles on the site come from actual newspaper and magazine publications.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 07:00:19
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quote:
Originally posted by benji
another site with "interesting" articles that hasn't been mentioned here is
http://www.commondreams.org
i check it regularly, whenever i want to get angry at something.
~95% of the articles on the site come from actual newspaper and magazine publications.
cook me some fucking eggs!
I like the angry line. That's what they're good for, that's for sure. You just never can have enough anger running through your veins.
I'll check it thanks!
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 07:11:08
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KoK there is no point going on. I am done because I am done. The truth is out here and if nothing else the junk site you posted has been exposed for what it is. If people still want to go there they can do so, at least they know it is full of crap.
There are 2 sources for the article on the original post. Nothing exotic, but, then again, you don't need to go to propaganda web pages to get real news. You go there for propaganda.
You seem awfully proud to be getting information from a site that can only exist if its readers are ignorant of fact. Thats what got my response.
"I use this website to find out what is really going on in the world."
And the lead story is completely bogus. You could have gotten that information in a non-misleading way in any newspaper in the world...5 YEARS AGO! What a joke. And you want me to provide sources. Pick up a newspaper. Get the basic facts before you get played for a fool again by some wacked-out cat with a website. Don't you mind that you are getting fed crap? Do you need a bigger spoon with which to lap it up?
Finally, I didnt mention Clinton in a political way. He was the reference for when the policy originated in the US. You should have noted that he hasnt been President in 3 years. Then you may have thought to yourself "Isn't it odd that this website would present such a bogus article when removing Saddam from Iraq was a US policy for 5 years or so before the War began?? Hmmmm, that doesn't seem like a rush to war. Hey there were also 16 or so UN resolutions against Iraq. Didn't I read that Iraq had fired on British and US planes over 1,500 times in the 2 years leading up to the War? Isn't THAT direct provocation? Then there is that pesky item about Saddam killing over 500,000 Iraqi's, that's not good. Maybe, just maybe, this Saddam guy should have been removed a long time ago..." |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 07:33:08
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Dallas,
obviously you never really looked through that website. It's articles are from various resources not one man. Alps quoted his statement about the site in a previous post.
As far as the regime change being part of previous US policy. Yes, but not by use of military force.
From what I'm getting. Since the cold war ended and Russia is weakened (supposedly). This time we are in right now, is seen by the neo conservatives (Bush Administration) as our chance to become the world's only superpower. First step? Grabbing control of the middle east.
To be honest with you, I'm not all that smart Dallas. If I can keep up a decent argument with you on this topic your side of the story must have alot of holes.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 08:09:35
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"If I can keep up a decent argument with you on this topic your side of the story must have alot of holes."
You haven't. Even stretching the use of the term 'decent'.
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mcmikey
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 02/04/2004 : 08:14:11
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maybe by your opinion, Dal. Personally, I think he's done a marvelous job, and I'm probably not alone on this forum in thinking that
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peace, I'm out |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2004 : 08:18:37
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Okay,
Bye Dallas. Once again. I'm open to reading from your resource. So if what ever military base you work on allows civilians to access it, just give me the link.
Don't get me wrong. If I was going to send a bunch of people off to war I would need them to be entirely convinced the people they are going to fight deserve to die. Otherwise I would have an ineffective army. |
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