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MikeW
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USA
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 Posted - 02/19/2003 : 15:16:21
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| hmm. I was never a fan of Nirvana. I got the Pixies through my older brother and he hated Nirvana, so therfore I did too. When we first hear "Teen Spirit", the first thing my brother said is "hey, thats the chord progression to the chorus of Umass but up half a step! What a fuckin' rip off, even we could have done that!" Plus we were never depressed or had bad shit happen in our lives or were junkies, so really Nirvana songs said nothing to us about our lives. We liked the idea that our hero Black Francis went to a university(as dumb as it may sound, it kinda gave us certain goals to fullfil). We also liked the idea that he was diverse and could speak more than one language. I guess we were so detatched from the world personally, that we would listen to music that was in a sense detatched. Black Francis was not writing autobiographical songs, at least we didnt think so. His songs were more stories of an odd world that we wanted to be a part of. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2003 : 10:31:22
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Nevermind was released BEFORE Trompe Le Monde.
There's no more similarity between the Pixies and Nirvana, than between Husker Du and the Pixies, in my opinion. |
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MikeW
- FB Fan -
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2003 : 14:29:54
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| Thats interesting, because I clearly remember my brother having a copy of Trompe by late July of 1991. I also remember he had a live bootleg of the Pixies and UMASS was on there. This bootleg had to have been circa 1990, but I remember he got it on Thanksgiving of 1990, because he wouldnt stop playing it. Maybe those Nirvana guys had the same copy? But in the end it doesnt matter. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2003 : 15:16:27
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Nevermind and Trompe Le Monde were both released in September of '91. Mike's bro probably bought a promo copy.
Teen Spirit riff: F B- A- D-
U-Mass riff: G C F B-
If you start the latter on the third chord and move the first and second chords up a fret, you'll end up w/ the Teen Spirit riff. I'd say the similarity between the two riffs mainly lies in the rhythm, esp when accompanied by drums. I personally don't think there's a huge similarity overall between the Pixies and Nirvana. Besides, four-chord progressions are a dime a dozen. |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2003 : 02:33:08
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| Well bothsongs rip off 'More Than A Feeling' by Boston! |
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vamos
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/24/2003 : 19:48:42
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Some Nirvana lyrics are incredibly beautiful, and people respond to them. The Pixies didn't provide youth the opportunity to vent their spleen as much as Nirvana did, I don't think Nirvana are overated at all.
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L. Barlow
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/25/2003 : 15:33:58
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nirvana are not overrated. but i would say the pixies are underrated.
they are 2 totaly different bans, and although i love them both, i like the pixies just a small bit more.
im one of the people who finaly bought a pixies album thanks to kurt cobain putting surfer rosa on his lists alot. he also likes trompe le monde if his diaries are anything to go by!
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 13:52:59
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| Dave Grohl and I are both big fans of Trompe Le Monde. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 23:46:50
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Dave Grohl and I are also big fans of Trompe Le Monde.......
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Dooalot
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Posted - 02/27/2003 : 02:08:11
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I suggest playing the Debaser verse chords ( F Bb G Bb ) while strumming the same pattern that you would if you were playing Teen Spirit. Now play Teen Spirit's chorus ( F Bb G# C# ) with the same strum pattern. I recall an interview I downloaded from the web a couple of years ago where Krist Novoselic, Nirvana's bass player, commented that Nirvana wrote Teen Spirit as a rip-off of the Pixies' Debaser. I tend to believe him.
p.s. Billy Corgan said in an interview that Debaser was his favorite Pixies' song.
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 03:27:12
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thats becuase corgan helped write the lyrics supposedly, so he probably thinks its part his
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astroman
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Portugal
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Posted - 02/27/2003 : 05:20:26
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| Corgan did what????...donīt joke with serious matters, pls! |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2003 : 05:49:30
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Nirvana were good, but they weren't as good as the music critics make out.
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cheshireycat
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USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2003 : 00:00:56
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Hello! Didn't Kurt Cobain admit that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a Pixies "rip-off"????? I may have the wrong song but I'm pretty sure it was that one.
Anyway, Pixies is sooo much better than Nirvana. Nirvana is ok. I mean, it was great for it's time, but Pixies is just great, period.
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cheshireycat
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USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2003 : 00:01:29
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ha. i love how this board thanks me for my "contribution."
-it's a shame, i'm covered in fleas.- |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2003 : 07:39:09
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| i think the Pixies had a considerable influence on Nirvana...and I love both bands very much, though for different reasons. Nirvana channeled a more thrashy/punk rock infused sound (for the most), where the Pixies had some of their roots in punk rock but managed to twist that around into something very beautiful and melodic at times. Both bands have a far different sound, so I don't think that there is much similarity between the two in the long run. |
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samuel
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 13:56:17
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everybody is a rippoff of someone else
I agree that cobain was influenced by the pixies but when im playing music with my buddy, i notice that my music sounds like them too
its not a terrible thing, francis was influenced, his influences were influenced, its a natural, healthy cycle...
the first time i ever heard of the pixies was from pump up the volume, wave of mutilation (uk surf)
my older brother got into nirvana several years later so naturally i did too, a little too much Then when i started really listening to the pixies nirvana didnt come close Years before cobains signature screaming was so popular A short, chubby white guy who spoke spanish was doing it even better and even had a beautiful voice to go along with it But if wasnt for Nirvana i probably would never have gotten into the pixies and thats something i dont want to think about Just a thought sorry if its long
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Ender
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 09:34:41
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Originally posted by samuel
everybody is a rippoff of someone else
I agree that cobain was influenced by the pixies but when im playing music with my buddy, i notice that my music sounds like them too
its not a terrible thing, francis was influenced, his influences were influenced, its a natural, healthy cycle...
the first time i ever heard of the pixies was from pump up the volume, wave of mutilation (uk surf)
my older brother got into nirvana several years later so naturally i did too, a little too much Then when i started really listening to the pixies nirvana didnt come close Years before cobains signature screaming was so popular A short, chubby white guy who spoke spanish was doing it even better and even had a beautiful voice to go along with it But if wasnt for Nirvana i probably would never have gotten into the pixies and thats something i dont want to think about Just a thought sorry if its long
ssk
I think that's the longest run-on sentence I've ever agreed with. Both bands rock and I would never had heard Surfer Rosa if it weren't for Nirvana (and to a lesser extent Weezer). Smells Like Teen spirit was wrote to be a Pixies rip off but not just a single song but ALL OF THEIR SONGS. They thought Come As You Are was going to be their only chance at a hit though. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2003 : 14:37:30
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| hey! surfer rosa and pod were kc's fave rekkids. why must one be better than the other? ok, i prefer the pixies, but i mean, if they wrote about the same crap(kurt and frank) life would be pretty boring, wouldnt it? if everyone wrote about suffering and drug use or else about space and incest, i wouldnt be so interested in music. i'm not sayin thats all they wrote about,but you know what i mean. and i dont think all nirvana's melodies are so alike to the pixies, i think some of the stuff is quite original. kurt could be described as a coward, but i think if you get into the vicious cycle of drugs and self pity, its very hard to get out.i mean, if the woman you're in love with missed your birthday and you heard rumours she was with other men, or if your daughter doesnt recognise you anymore, or if your parents messed you up, you'll either come out really strong, or really weak. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2003 : 13:07:03
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Originally posted by johndietzel
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
i dunno about that 'frank inspires me to use more than just 5 chords in a song.' thing. sure he does use more than 5 a lot, but he also uses less.
a lot of pretentious people like to be complexity queens. if a song is simple, it's no good. that's bullshit. 'brackish boy' is extremely simple, so what? it's a great song.
Totally agreed. It's a mistake to sit there and try to force more chords into a song or something, to make it "better." To me that's just like learning to play as many fast notes on your fretboard with both hands as you can. I don't think there's a correlation between number or oddness of chord structure and goodness of sing. In fact, if anything, the best songwriters can write a hundred great, different-sounding, songs using the same three chords (like C-F-G or something).
In Frank's case, I think he is on another wavelength that has him diverging from the traditional folk-type song structure, but without meaning to. And it's just one of those things that causes us to drop our collective jaw. To me, he's just like one of those prodigious kids that you're always jealous of, and you can choose to resent him all your life, or just decide to appreciate the beauty. I think Kim Deal has even done that.
"Make no mistake; Ricky Lake's eatin' mad steaks off your bad breaks."
Carlton Ridenhour
kim deal did wha?? is this one of these guys who listens to nothin but black? go download 'bragging party' or something.
if you say anything mean about kim, i'll kick ya in the shins! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2003 : 12:21:14
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| Isn't there something on this topic on the cover of "Death to the Pixies"? |
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EnglishGeezer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 10:13:57
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TO PUT IT SIMPLY, THE REASON WHY NIRVANA WERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE REGARDED AS BEING BETTER THAN THE PIXIES IS THAT KURT COBAIN WAS MORE PHOTOGENIC AND APPEALED TO TEENAGE GIRLS.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 11:14:40
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What, are you on a telegraph of something? Caps lock is not your friend.
Alright, so that might have been a little harsh, let's try some polite parody:
"Do you know how many internet ediquette laws you've broken with that message?!? Uhhh... one, I guess. Don't use Caps Lock." |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 14:12:35
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hey, English Geez...that's a little over-simplified there. They are two different bands that hit the "mainstream" at two different points in time...different inter-band chemistry....different circumstances surrounding their musical/touring careers...a hundred and one things.
I think it's a tad naive to say that Nirvana were bigger because Kurt was some kind of anti-hero hearthrob to the "Teen Beat" demographic. Nirvana, and the Pixies, were an excellent band with artistic integrity that went beyond the mainstream radio-drivel that plagues us today. I don't even think they sound that much alike!! (although there is definitely a Pixies influence in Nirvana, but SHIT there's a whole lot of bands out there who are influenced by the Pixies!)
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Stain
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Brazil
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Posted - 05/06/2003 : 18:54:42
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if nirvana had really ripoff the pixies they would have a lot of problems with copyright and all that crap, get real, the pixies are not a garage band, they are famous, not so much as nirvana but almost, real musicians dont ripoff, they are inspired by something
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Stain
- FB Fan -
Brazil
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Posted - 05/06/2003 : 19:06:55
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Originally posted by MikeW
hmm. I was never a fan of Nirvana. I got the Pixies through my older brother and he hated Nirvana, so therfore I did too. When we first hear "Teen Spirit", the first thing my brother said is "hey, thats the chord progression to the chorus of Umass but up half a step! What a fuckin' rip off, even we could have done that!" Plus we were never depressed or had bad shit happen in our lives or were junkies, so really Nirvana songs said nothing to us about our lives. We liked the idea that our hero Black Francis went to a university(as dumb as it may sound, it kinda gave us certain goals to fullfil). We also liked the idea that he was diverse and could speak more than one language. I guess we were so detatched from the world personally, that we would listen to music that was in a sense detatched. Black Francis was not writing autobiographical songs, at least we didnt think so. His songs were more stories of an odd world that we wanted to be a part of.
here in brazil, everybody speaks a little of other language, even the famous one's...
its cool for me. because i'm a musician and i'v got lyrics in portuguese ,spanish and english(that it's not my first language, so sorry about my mistakes)
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jOb
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Ireland
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Posted - 05/28/2003 : 16:45:47
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| "Pixies-vs-Nirvana"; erm...I love Nirvana but I've always preferred the PiXiES! I hate these sort of debates...essentially, what does it matter? Regarding "teen spirit" sounding like a pixies song...I think Kurt was referring to the chorus in 'U-mass'! I don't think it's all that similar but then that was Kurt for ya...he probably said it sounded like a pixies song simply to show his admiration for the band or to make'm out to be some sort of influence so hopefully in the future Nirvana might be compared to a band as cool and as treasured as the PiXiES!!...which is all Kurt cared about when it came down to it...IMAGE!...and that's the truth!!! |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/28/2003 : 20:15:48
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uh, Pixies vs Nobody
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2003 : 10:15:17
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yeah, you're right about kurt and his image.
if anyone says anything negative about anybody i admire, i'll kick 'em in the taco.
and if all you see is violence, i'll make a plea, yeah, in my defence. |
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