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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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 Posted - 12/18/2003 : 15:40:27
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don't be left out. there are still thousands and thousands (hopefully) of baby seals to club to death.
for more info:
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2003 : 15:44:13
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can any of you damn dirty canadians put me up for a few nights if I come up for hunting season???
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2003 : 15:48:08
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So the idea is to kill the cod's natural predator in mass slaughter, in order to compensate for the overfishing of their waters? Goddammit!
 Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom": Øder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yøobetcha! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2003 : 16:05:21
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2003 : 16:22:56
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That's hardly sporting. They should issue chainsaws to the seals.
 I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank the LaBrea Tar Pits! |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 02:24:18
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This is quite tasteless.
One MILLION seals will be killed in the next three years. This happens over a period of ONE MONTH each year.
Last year they killed ~275,000 seals. Most were a few weeks old, and kill by primitive means. (Why waste money on bullets?)
Not to mention that it's estimated 1/2 of the time the seal slips away, so more realistic estimates would place this around 500,000 last year, and two million coming up in the next three years.
The seals are already having enough trouble, due to small iceflows (read: global warming)..and let's not forget that Canadians are SUBSIDIZING this whole bloody affair, to provide 120 or so full-time jobs.
This is bad, bad news, and there is NO humour to be found in this. (Or the abuse of anyone, human or non.)
You've gotta be pretty desensitized to find entertainment in watching a completely helpless creature beaten to death. |
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 03:15:09
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I don't find humor in it - just an oblique way of saying this policy by the Canadian government has its head very precisely up its ass, and that the people who do this must be psychopaths (and deserve equal treatment for perspective), since it is obviously *not* for purposes of subsistance living.
I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank the LaBrea Tar Pits! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 06:40:13
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Yeah, this is pretty appalling on many levels...
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 07:22:23
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| i figured it was pretty clear that i wasn't advocating seal hunting, or joking about it, but drawing attention to this issue. i assure you that i don't find hunting seals funny. |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 07:29:07
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oh sure, guys....set me up to look like the asshole
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 07:34:28
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Sorry, floop, I know you don't. I was talking about seal hunting/clubbing to death being pretty appalling, not your sense of humour. Except I like that Rob Zombie song of the same name, if I have to find a bright side. But then again, I don't really like Rob Zombie, so that's bad...
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Johnny Yen
= Cult of Ray =
USA
408 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 07:48:07
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Back when I was in 5th grade we took a field trip to montreal. SOme of the kids in my class bought these little baby seal dolls, made with real baby seal pelts. It seemed so sad to kill a baby seal to make fake baby seals. It was twisted. I think it was actually illegal for them to bring them back over the border.
It was better when we went up there in 8th grade. Most of us guys just bought Nudie playing cards in china town, and giggled all the way back home. |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 07:50:04
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were the nudie cars made from real women?
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
2025 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 07:59:56
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What else would it be made of?
And now, your moment of zen... |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:01:44
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welcome back, my dear!
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
2025 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:04:55
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Thank you, This is lovely...I think i have SARS. I feel like a bag of crap.
And now, your moment of zen... |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:09:21
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Hey - you got it too, huh? Lungs hurt and the whole nine yards? Sorry either way.
That story about the stuffed baby seals made out of baby seals is like some form of a demented mobius strip. eek.
Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom": Øder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yøobetcha! |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:09:34
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a bag of crap??? kinky
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
2025 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:24:19
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yep...a large bag of excrement. I get to go home soon...damn work.
And now, your moment of zen... |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:33:02
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| ummm, seals and stuff ;) |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:39:25
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so coldheart....can I crash at your place when I fly up to canada for seal-hunting season?
and do I need to bring my own club, or is there a hunting supply store nearby where I can get one?
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
2025 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 08:43:21
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Well being Canadian, everyone is given a club when they are born. So you can use mine.
And now, your moment of zen... |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 09:19:48
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thats not all of yours I'm sure I'll get to use while I"m there....hussy
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 09:21:32
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tsk! tsk! t'isn't proper talk you're talkin' there.
Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom": Øder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yøobetcha! |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 09:21:54
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it must be tough growing up in Canada, having to carry around a seal club AND an emergency tin of maple syrup (as c.o.f. explained).. not to mention the cold weather..
did i mention the high for today is supposed to be 75 degrees? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 09:24:21
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Damn these infernal imperial boobytraps.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 11:10:54
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Yeah, the US has actually banned seal fur, due to the protests in the 70's and 80's. I think there might be plans to lift it tho..
Another disgusting thing is those small rabbits and kittens also made out of fur. WTF??
I think some European states recently banned the sale of dog and cat fur..which is great...but why are mink and foxes so different? It'll be the next step i'm sure. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 11:14:58
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I think some European states recently banned the sale of dog and cat fur..which is great...but why are mink and foxes so different? It'll be the next step i'm sure.
Probably because rich "fashionistas" don't consider dog and cat fur sexy or glamorous. Purely logical, of course.
Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom": Øder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yøobetcha! |
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 13:20:06
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Ok so here's where the sick humor comes in...I think the world would be a vastly different place if the same rules applied to Cabbage Patch Kids. My, didn't they look real? I would have bought three.
We may be the dominant race for now, but nature's a bitch. We'll get ours sooner or later. I say bring on the legion of mutant hyperintelligent furbearers (and their forebears). Lizards too. I automatically feel inferior to anything that can drop and regenerate body parts at will, and they're at the low end of our "smart-o-meter". Shee-it.
I looked for a cult to join, then decided to just play "Sink". Hey! I sank the LaBrea Tar Pits! |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 13:27:48
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Maybe, to make it more fair, they should include a "baby-seal-hunter hunt", that way, they can go around and try to club baby seals whilst other somebodies are shooting at them.
Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom":Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom": Øder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yøobetcha! |
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STITCHES
= Cult of Ray =
USA
915 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2003 : 13:29:23
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I think it would only be fair if the hunter-hunters weren't using guns....to level the playing field, I think they should club the seal hunters......with baby seals
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wasteofo2
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 12/20/2003 : 21:38:28
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Ok, approx 275,000 baby seals will be killed this year in order to help more fish survive to be cuaght and feed humans and provide income for humans. Did anyone stop to think about the fact that in some towns/cities their economy is solely or largely dependant upon fishing, and with a bad fishing season, the economy of that entire town would fail? Are a bunch of cute baby seals suddenly more important than towns or cities full of humans?
Why is this important at all? Is it the fact that 275,000 animals are being killed and not consumed? What about the bilions of insects killed by insecticides each year, why has no one made a thread saying that we should stop killing insects? Insects are killed for the same reason seals are, to protect the food of humans, but no one cares about the insects apparently, I guess they're just inferior and not worth your concern becuase they're not cute and can be killed discreetly.
There are at least 1.2 million animals (excluding insects) killed a year in the process of harvesting corn and soy in the USA alone. Why has no one made a thread adressing the animals whom are run over/sliced to death by harvesting combines, poisoned by insecticides which were strong enough to kill animals larger than insects and destruction of their environment (the corn or soy field)? Is it that animals that live in fields are somehow not important and don't deserve your attention, or is it that you just don't care becuase they're killed in a way which doesn't bring attention to them and animals like shrews aren't as cute as seals?
Some of you are actually justifying killing the people who kill these seals, when all they're doing is eliminating pests, seals eat their "crops"(fish in this case) so they're killed. Farmers do the same with insecticides and kill many more organisms, but no one wants to go and kill farmers by spraying bug spray on them.
Someone(and probabally many others) was concerned with global warming. Did you know that the gas methane is one of the largest contributors to global warming and that a pocket of methane released by an underwater earthquake was likely the cause for the end of the last ice age? Did you also know that all the cows which are living in india are producing more methane than the industrial efforts of any nation in the world? If you're really concerned about global warming, killing all the cows in India would be a great way to slow it down, along with killing all the cows that are in all the parts of the world, since they produce alot of methane too. Plus, with all the indian cows we've killed, imagine all the starving african children we could feed and the jobs that could be created by distributing the meat.
In conclusion:
-No one has mentioned being sad or upset about the killing of any animal that isn't cute.
-No one has mentioned anything about being angry at all the billions of insects which are killed to protect the food and economy of humans.
-Many have agreed that we should kill people because seals are(obviously to them) more important than people.
-You all should agree that the killing of all the cows in india would be a good thing, if you're at all worried about global warming.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2003 : 01:12:15
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heh - this is not an argument you want to start with me.....
* seals are note 'pests' and don't eat the same fish as humans
* one serious concern is HOW they're killed, and how it's cruel, leaves approx. 50% injured to float off and die elsewhere, and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
* i would like to see where you got this 1.2 million animals killed during harvests, this sounds ABSURDLY high. I've never seen all this blood on my Wheatibix.
* never heard of the underwater/ground methane global-warming theory. How did all this methane get trapped underground?
* i don't believe the cows in India are producing as much methane as the cows farmed in 'western' states - cows there eat grass, cows here are fed soy, corn and wheat, which tends to cause considerably more flatulance for the cows, since this isn't what they're evolved to eat.
* think of all the hungry US folks that could be fed, since over 70% of all corn and soy grown here is fed to animals.
* I AM VERY UPSET AT THE KILLING OF ANY CREATURE, and the adult seals are often not 'cute'.
* although i am all for protecting insects, comparing them to seals in this instance is as ludicrous as comparing them to humans.
Please do some research before you go spouting-off, your remarks hold no credibility.
Ask questions if you're unsure, rather than stating your ignorance so competently. |
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Danishboy
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Denmark
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Posted - 12/21/2003 : 03:37:46
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Wasent there talking about that the people who took those photos, were the same who did´the killing? (not eskimos)
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2003 : 04:11:46
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Originally posted by wasteofo2
What about the bilions of insects killed by insecticides each year, why has no one made a thread saying that we should stop killing insects? Insects are killed for the same reason seals are, to protect the food of humans, but no one cares about the insects apparently, I guess they're just inferior and not worth your concern becuase they're not cute and can be killed discreetly.
I care about the insects. Just look around the older parts of this forum. I've complained about pesticides several times. And not just for the insects' sakes, but for the concern of the environment and thus humans. You can't say it's one or the other - these issues are always a matter of trying to nudge current practices to a better condition for the entireity of those concerned. I think the real question is, what are some better processes that we can apply towards fishing practices, and ways that we can supplement the cities/towns that depend almost solely on fishing for their income? It is demonstrated repeatedly in nature that if a species becomes heavily dependent on one source for its survival, it is in grave jeopardy of becoming extinct, much the same way the seals are endangered by the loss of their numbers' expected levels of cod, or the fishing families' expected intake of cod. This is not a war of people who don't want to see little baby seals killed vs. the survival of humans. That kind of argument just pulls us away from the productive dialogue we need to have about diversification and the evolution of how we humans provide for ourselves while considering the long-term effects on our environment, which is also a consideration of ours and our descendents' survival.
Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom":Swedish Chef's "Dumpling of Wisdom": Øder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yøobetcha! |
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wasteofo2
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Posted - 12/21/2003 : 10:17:46
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
heh - this is not an argument you want to start with me.....
* seals are note 'pests' and don't eat the same fish as humans
The Original website posted under the picture of the seal about to be beaten stated that seals are killed "to help recover collapsed cod stocks".
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* one serious concern is HOW they're killed, and how it's cruel, leaves approx. 50% injured to float off and die elsewhere, and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
As if a mouse being crushed by a wheat combine, or a rat dying over the course of weeks from pesticide excosure is any better?
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* i would like to see where you got this 1.2 million animals killed during harvests, this sounds ABSURDLY high. I've never seen all this blood on my Wheatibix.
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* never heard of the underwater/ground methane global-warming theory. How did all this methane get trapped underground?
"Methane is formed by the decomposition of vegetable matter. When the temperature is around the freezing point of water and the pressure is extremely high (26 atmospheres or more), methane combines with water and condenses into methane hydrate, which looks like dry ice. Such conditions are said to exist under are the permafrost of Siberia and Alaska as well as under seabeds where the waters more than 500 meters deep. Results of sonar surveys suggest that large amounts of methane hydrate lie in the seabeds off the Pacific coast of the central part of the Japanese archipelago.
When brought to normal air pressure (1 atmosphere), the crystalline substance will provide more than 160 times its original volume in gaseous methane; one might think of it as a highly pressurized can of natural gas."
- http://www.jinjapan.org/trends98/honbun/ntj980623.html
"The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) estimates that the methane hydrates hidden beneath U.S. waters alone hold some 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, enough to supply all the nation's energy needs for more than 2,000 years "
- http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1200/1998_Nov_14/53280932/p1/article.jhtml?term=
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* i don't believe the cows in India are producing as much methane as the cows farmed in 'western' states - cows there eat grass, cows here are fed soy, corn and wheat, which tends to cause considerably more flatulance for the cows, since this isn't what they're evolved to eat.
Well, I never said anything about comparing the methane produced by cows in india to those in western states, but in all likelyhood you're right. So is what you're saying that we should concentrate more on killing the cows in mexico, the USA and any other country which has more methane production due to cows than India does?
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* think of all the hungry US folks that could be fed, since over 70% of all corn and soy grown here is fed to animals.
Not all ground is equally fertile and well suited to growing crows. The land which is used to grow food for animals in the USA is greatly inferior to the land used to grow food for humans and thus, the produce's quality is not fit for human consumption.
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* I AM VERY UPSET AT THE KILLING OF ANY CREATURE, and the adult seals are often not 'cute'.
Funny how you didn't seem to mind the coments about beating humans to death...
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
* although i am all for protecting insects, comparing them to seals in this instance is as ludicrous as comparing them to humans.
What's so ludacris about comparing insects to seals? Do seals have more validity as an organism than insects do? What criteria do you use to determine which animals are more important than others?
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Please do some research before you go spouting-off, your remarks hold no credibility.
I've cited my sources, you can no longer say my remarks have no credibility.
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Ask questions if you're unsure, rather than stating your ignorance so competently.
I've cited all my sources and explained myself very thuroughly, here are some instances however where you seem to have had an ignorance of the topic you were discussing.
"* seals are note 'pests' and don't eat the same fish as humans"
"* i would like to see where you got this 1.2 million animals killed during harvests, this sounds ABSURDLY high. I've never seen all this blood on my Wheatibix."
"* never heard of the underwater/ground methane global-warming theory. How did all this methane get trapped underground?"
"* think of all the hungry US folks that could be fed, since over 70% of all corn and soy grown here is fed to animals."
Download the song mother banger by chris morris. It's a pixies parody and it's genius. |
Edited by - wasteofo2 on 12/21/2003 10:21:14 |
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