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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:23:53
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Story is that a criminal investigation into complaints by a 12 year old boy have sent police investigators to Jacko's Neverland Ranch.
If another kid got molested because the one from 8-9 years ago took the money and ran, that will be a real shame. Money should not be able to pay for that type of crime. I dont have a problem with the kid/parents suing for all Jacko is worth, but, trading your willingness to assist police for money so that the perpetrator can get away is basically turning your kid into a whore.
This is terrible if true.
http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3845975 |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:48:16
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I honestly thought about it and it is most terrible for the child.
Unless he was wearing something that made him ask for it...like feet pajamas pulled down a little at the shoulder.....you know, maybe his shorts were a little too short and his gym socks pulled right to his knees....you know
But yeah, this is bad. |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:48:47
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did you see the infamous interview with jackson earlier this year? He'd like a child from each part of the world. He's a fucking collector. The man obviously belongs in psychiatry. Sentence him to 24 hours psychoanalysis a day for 20 years. |
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interloper
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 16:23:16
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"You can't play Tarzan unless you take your shirt off"
-Michael Jackson
"Funny material and laughter will be dubbed in later" - Bill Hicks |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:08:47
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So what do you guys think? is he a perv or just a troubled man who was fucked up by his childhood?
Personally i just can't decide, maybe this raid will uncover some child porn that will put an end to the speculation.
Maybe it won't really make a difference, i mean, there has been a question mark over his head since the last allegation but people,(mostly other celebrities) still seem to worship him. Its like R Kelly, i don't know the exact nature of the charges against him but wasn't it to do with child porn or something? It certainly doesn't stop him selling shit loads of records, that stupid song (ignition?) was number 1 for about a month over here.
I do agree with Dallas though, taking money over justice is like whoring your child, even letting a small child sleep over at a adults home is fucked up. If it was just the man down the street i bet those parents wouldn't allow it, but because its Michael Jackson and he has a zoo at his home its ok.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:13:02
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Originally posted by gracie
So what do you guys think? is he a perv or just a troubled man who was fucked up by his childhood?
i think he's both, sadly. he definitely had a fucked up childhood..
and nobody knows the truth.. but if i had to put my money on it i'd say he likes young boys..
i agree with Dallas. if that last out of court settlement led to more abuse, then that is fucked up.
here's a question for the parents of the list? would you EVER let your 13 or 14 year old sleep over with a 40 year old man?
give me a fucking break! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:19:02
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The court process can be quite traumatizing tho
and who said justice is ever guaranteed? |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:25:16
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| no one said justice is guaranteed. but if you're aiding a sexual predator in possibly continuing more abuse, that's not too cool. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:26:40
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:28:07
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I can't believe how he would continue to resist when parents became hesitant to let their kids sleep over at Jacko's house. All these TV specials and interviews they've done with him have featured him defending his position: "It's totally innocent," or having someone else do it for him: "Michael Jackson is just a big kid at heart." At best, if the latter statement were true, why are they trying to make him exempt from behaving with the same social skills as any other adult? Obviously he's not mentally deficient. And he is 40 years old...I can't go out and steal something and then later claim that I just did it because I'm a big ol' kid at heart; that I am morally innocent like a child. And in Jacko's case, that's only if that were the only reason why he let kids sleep over, which I don't believe is true.
Michael Jackson molesting kids is bad enough, but what's just about worse is if the parents are milking it for money as mentioned above by Dallas. The whole situation just reeks. I can't believe that Michael Jackson is still trying to release records...I think the best bet for him (if he doesn't get imprisoned) would be just to go off to some tropical deserted island where no one is around and spend the rest of his days selling out classic Beatles tunes and jerking off to Boy's Life.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:28:12
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| so am i. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:28:31
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| How much was that payout anyway? |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:32:50
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Its not just about justice its about being a part of a society. Its about being humane. Taking the money and letting a known child molester free, ESPECIALLY one as blatant about having kids around like stuffed animals, is close to aiding and abetting the next crime.
The police wanted to prosecute Jackson the first time and after the money came in the family and the kid refused to testify. They moved into the defense. That is not right, no matter how you slice it.
Finally, how does the initial victim, a 13 yo kid, process the fact that he was molested and then paid off, so that Michael Jackson can continue hosting sleep over after sleepover with more children? Surely there is some empathy, followed by guilt. Doesnt this add to the trauma? Compared to going through a very difficult trial where the child can see that our society will defend him, prosecute his attacker and most importandly protect the child? |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:41:21
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I obviously agree that money is not nearly as important than having a sexual predator not reoffend.
but what would MJ have got anyway?
A similar chance to reoffend after a few mos probation and petty fine probably. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:44:24
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not true at all Carolynanna. He would go to jail. One group that doesnt get probation are molesters. Not sure how it is handled in Canada, but, no way would there be just a fine and a few mo's probation for molestation or statutory rape (depending on the activities) in the US.
It is one crime we can all agree on and the penalties are deservedly harsh. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:46:11
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| if he actually does jail time, i'm guessing MJ won't fare too well behind bars. |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 12:48:14
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well, its pretty clear the guy needs help.
 "I joined the Cult of Trippy/...what was i singing again???" |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 13:04:49
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Originally posted by Brackish Girl
well, its pretty clear the guy needs help.
"I joined the Cult of Trippy/...what was i singing again???"
Yeah, some anal action in prison comes to mind. On the recieving end, to be sure.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 13:31:22
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| an eye for an eye.... |
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Brackish Girl
~ Soul Eater ~
Ireland
1750 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 13:40:24
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lovely.
"I joined the Cult of Trippy/...what was i singing again???" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 13:50:02
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One brown eye for another? I'm disgusted. :)
Someone said "An eye for an eye leaves us all blind"
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 14:05:48
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This is from an updated article:
The new case is different from the 1993 investigation because California law has changed and an alleged victim can be forced to testify, Sneddon said. In the old case the alleged victim, who reportedly received a settlement from Jackson, refused to testify.
"We have a cooperative victim in this proceeding," Sneddon said.
He said there was only one victim in the case but he would not release any details, including the child's sex or any circumstances, including where the crimes allegedly occurred.
That law was enacted as a result of Jackson buying off the last kid. He went to police first, so, they know what Jacko did to the kid. How frustrating for the police to know that this guy is a molester hosting children in his BED and not be able to touch him. I have a feeling this is going to stick and Jacko will eventually be behind bars...if he doesnt flee... |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 14:06:39
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| the last paragraph of the above post is not part of the article, in case you couldnt tell. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 18:44:33
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Now, I'm not defending or accusing Jacko...I am practicing some objectivity.
First, I think it's important to point out that we know nothing yet. Second of all, we may never know. It may be settled out of court, or it may be proven to be a malnourished and empty scandal.
Thirdly, I think it's a shame that a person can be subjected to such bloodthirsty scrutiny by the media before THEY (media) even know anything. I was under the impression that one is innocent until proven guilty, however, in this case Jackson, who has in many past incidents come away innocent, is IMMEDIATLY seen as a deviant sexual predator. And always before any valid material is presented!
Now, of course I understand the nature behind the quick-to-define attitude surrounding this mysterious, enigmatic, and troubling man. When I saw that notorious interview early this year my eyebrow had raised itself completely off my forehead. But I was also appalled at the tacky and completely unfair journalistic approach that ultimatly took place. Journalists are there to record a situation...not fuel or redirect it. I believe it became a sensational maelstrom of accusatory and out-and-out 'none of anyone's business' hooey.
I also find it quite appalling that even if Jackson is innocent of whatever this latest boring scandal may become, he will STILL be labeled a 'predator'. I find it difficult to believe nothing goes on in that Neverland bedroom...but I will not rule out the possibility that he is telling the truth. People are strange. People are different. People are judgemental. And people are people ALWAYS. Maybe I will eat some words down the line, but until Jackson is proven in a court of law to be guilty, I will waste no more time with the matter. Hell, if he is guilty, honestly I wont care either. Because it's none of my damn business. And it's no one else's either. It should be between Michael Jackson, the accuser (in question), the parents of said minor, and the law. Not Hollywood. Not the media. Not hungry citizens who want to point fingers and say 'I knew it!' and soley blame a mentally ill individual without considering the cognizant evilness and greedy profiteers who claim to hold the title of 'parent'.
It's old and boring. And I have veered off the subject, but what I tend to see is MONEY as the root of this crap, and we all know the saying of said root. It's a shame we look so hard and long at guilt and negativity without being sure of the facts in the first place. I don't know....
....the whole thing is sad sad sad
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 00:00:24
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I just read that the investigation was started because of the concern of the kid's psychiatrist. Allthough they generally do a good job, there are also good reasons to not judge the man solely on the basis of such reports.
However, regardless of such speculations; how on earth is the man allowed to adopt kids? Did anyone see that documentary? He puts his kids through hell. He has absolutely no understanding of what it means to be a parent. I think his kids when they grow up will have an excellent case against the state of california. And if there's anyone who should receive anal treatment in prison, it's the parents of kids who sleep over at the Jackson's - and possible she who sold him the kids. And the state of California. Received by Arnold. |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 04:19:42
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Well said TRANSMARINE. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 06:22:05
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The courts require a presumption of innocence. That shouldnt preclude common sense. This case was reported by a psychologist and then affirmed by the victim. The police and most journalists also have the evidence from the last time Jacko was accused of this. The only reason that wasnt prosecuted is because the kid and his family got paid off and refused to testify.
I guess we should all lay off OJ and the Enron execs too. There is absolutely no required presumption of innocence by society. If you are a judge or a jurist, ABSOLUTELY you have to approach the case from the innocent but not guilty coda. The rest of us are free to think, discuss and be disgusted to our hearts content. Sorry, Jacko does not deserve the benefit of the doubt from the public. He has used children for his own personal gratification for too long and treats them like objects. For God's sake he calls one of his kids "blanket". How de-humanizing. Nope, not me, I will not put my brain on hold and give the lowest form of criminal an easier ride by assuming things that defy reality. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 06:24:53
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| One more thing, I wont assume the worst about a 12 year old child (that the kid is a liar and profiteer) for the sake of assuming the best about Michael Jackson. Jackson has no credibility and assuming he is innocent assumes that this child is a liar. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 06:25:49
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When you've been on the receiving end of the "un-biased" media and everything you say is misquoted or out of context, and the story is basically fabricated sensationalism to sell papers, you might have a different opinion. That said, I know nothing of this so called "Neverland Ranch" nor the activities that transpired, but I think that society should occasionally ask itself what it REALLY knows about what happened.
The media is just a legitamized form of entertainment.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 06:35:22
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| Ummmm, CoF, the docs from the last accusation have been made public. These are court docs. Jackson confirmed that he sleeps in the bed with underage boys. He paid that kid millions. Now we have another accusation. This is hardly some media creation. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 07:02:56
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Like I said, I know nothing about it.
I wasn't meaning to imply that he was a media created monster, just that we have to be careful with what we get from them. He sounds like quite the charming guy, though. :) Well, if he's guilty there's no punishment good (bad?) enough.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 07:44:31
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He's a sick fuck. I don't care who's fault it is.
He needs to be put in prison and raped so he knows what it's like.
Beat it indeed. |
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Jayhawk
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 08:00:41
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Right on, Swimmer! Sadly, if he is convicted he won't be doing any hard time. He'd wind up in some country club-type prison for his own safety. Even if he wound up in San Quentin or Folsom he'd most definately be segregated from the general prison population.
Jackson's had some hardball attorney on this case since March (I believe), so he's known this was coming. Let's just hope that this time he won't be able buy his freedom. |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
573 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 09:52:54
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Can you imagine Michael Jackson in prison?, its totally insane.
No matter how mad he is, i think if he really thought he was going to jail he would kill himself rather than tossing salad or getting that cute little nose crushed.
If he really is a "child at heart" andlikes the company of children why doesn't he spend some time with his own kids?
Not that they are his biologically, he can lie as much as he likes but how likely is it that a black man would have three white, blonde kids- not very likely at all. I know he is suppose to have a skin condition which turns him white but would that change his entire gene structure?
I agree with whoever said that those kids will be fucked up as adults, i can't believe that he hasn't beed investigated by social services. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 10:04:22
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He's a sick fuck. I don't care who's fault it is.
He needs to be put in prison and raped so he knows what it's like.
Beat it indeed.
I REPEAT |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2003 : 10:05:14
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I hate this world right now.
I hate the fact that people have to have conversations about molesting children. |
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