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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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 Posted - 11/18/2003 : 09:06:00
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This documentary is showing tonight at the Wexner Center in Columbus, OH. Looks like it is currently (or soon to be) playing all over the US. Has anyone seen or heard about it? Our local NPR call-in show is interviewing the filmmaker right now, and I am fairly intrigued. I never knew much at all about this movement. Curious to see if it would be worth the effort, etc.:
http://www.upstatefilms.org/weather/main.html
It sounds like (from the interview I'm catching) the perspective is one of observing the behaviors (which utimately tend to lead to violent/radical outcomes) of people who believe they are doing the right thing, (rather than an altruistic/positive or wholly negative bias on the subject).
from the website:
"In October 1969 hundreds of young people, clad in football helmets and wielding lead pipes, marched through an upscale Chicago shopping district, pummeling parked cars and smashing shop windows in their path.
This was the first demonstration of the Weather Underground's "Days of Rage." Outraged by the Vietnam War and racism in America, the organization waged a low-level war against the U.S. government through much of the 1970s, bombing the Capitol building, breaking Timothy Leary out of prison, and evading one of the largest FBI manhunts in history.
The Weather Underground is a feature-length documentary that explores the rise and fall of this radical movement, as former members speak candidly about the idealistic passion that drove them to "bring the war home" and the trajectory that placed them on the FBI's most wanted list."... |
Edited by - apl4eris on 11/18/2003 10:55:15 |
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 09:09:04
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now THIS is what we need.
Never take tacos from Satan... |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 09:43:10
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Rock on. Sounds very interesting. NPR knows what's cool.
 "I joined the Cult of Clops / If I were you, I'd sleep with one eye open." |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 10:25:37
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Originally posted by Coldheartofstone
now THIS is what we need.
errm, I agree that people need to start making their voices heard in large numbers, but I don't know if I agree with you on the finer points (depends on what you mean, really :) ) - namely the violence and such. That kinda stuff always backfires (which is immediately apparent or more subtle), and I don't believe ends justify means; that's why I think I might like the docu, cause it sounds like the filmmakers are coming from that angle as well. In my wishingest moments, I wish there were a unified, measured, non-violent, democratic resistance/leadership, ala Mahatma Ghandi/Martin Luther King, et al. I know, I know, dream on.
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**I've been reading some of the reviews of the film and a bit of background on this group - it seems they were very violent and fanatical, and I don't agree with their tactics at all.
Has anyone seen this? Anybody plan to? Now that my political heart's made a mess all over my sleeve...I still wanna know, what do you guys think? |
Edited by - apl4eris on 11/18/2003 10:57:51 |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 11:59:33
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Rock on, kill some more kids fathers! Blow up some more cops!
These people are murderers and terrorists. Nothing 'cool' about them. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:11:33
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I have to edit this because I must make it even MORE clear and emphatic - I guess people don't really pay attention, I don't know..dammit..
NOBODY said *THEY* were cool!!!!!!!! - the documentary is the topic at hand, and it addresses documenting the movement and those involved as an insight into fanatacism and its dangers. Please read what was posted. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:13:18
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Aren't they justified because they are/were protecting your country from the government which is such a great reason for rampant gun rights?
Of course, I'm being sarcastic. Even if their era was home to one of disgusting amounts of corruption which essentially resulted in a coup d'etat that led to future presidents being nothing more than media darlings while the real power became far more terrible and obscured than most even want to think about, it doesn't permit them to do what they did.
I would still go see it because even if their methods are abhorrent, their may still be some substance to their message and a movie is about as non-violent as it gets. Or it may be propaganda, but a person should try to keep an open mind.
But I'm with Dallas, believe it or not. There are better ways.
Sidenote, I just watched JFK the other day, maybe I should start a topic. I never really thought there was a lot of substance to the conspiracy attempts, now I'm not so sure. Of course, I don't take for granted that some portion of the movie is complete and utter fabrication, I'm just not sure on the percentage. Low, high, complete? Anyone? Reply in a new topic so we don't sidetrack this one.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:16:05
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| But I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll... |
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rockathon
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:22:47
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Most people deceive themselves with a pair of
faiths: they believe in eternal memory
(of people,things, deeds, nations) and in
redressibility (of deeds, mistakes, sins, wrongs).
Both are false faiths. In reality the opposite is
true: everything will be forgotten and nothing will
be redressed.
-Milan Kundera
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:31:14
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How sad.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:38:21
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| Shoot, I'm glad (for my own sake) that I don't agree with that quote. Maybe when I'm in a depressive downward spiral pessimistic kinda mood, but not when I'm rational. Was Kundera being sardonic, rockathon? I'm not very familiar with his work -didn't he write "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"? |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:43:24
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Being in Dallas, I get all of the JFK conspiracies I can handle. The Stone movie is full of fiction. Nobody ever claimed that there was a Mr. X, Stone invented him to tie up all the loose ends.
I wouldnt be shocked if a conspiracy is proven someday, but, having seen lots andlots of evidence I think Oswald worked alone on that day. Someone could have put him up to it, supported him, promised him a getaway, who knows. But, I havent seen any real evidence of add'l shooters. Lots of questions unanswered though.
Funny sidenote, I went to HS with Lee Harveys daughter. She was pretty well adjusted and was even a cheerleader, the key position in TX HighSchool social circles. Also knew Marina's other children after Lee Harvey. They were all fairly normal and were allowed to live a pretty normal life in a small town. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:54:36
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What about this business of the magic bullet? If that's true then of course, it becomes fairly obvious, so I imagine that no one really knows how many wounds Mr. Kennedy or the man in front of him had.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 12:57:58
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The magic bullet is difficult. Most likely due the wounds are due to fragments from more than 1 bullet. Remember 40 years ago, the study of ballistics was still in its infancy.
I say I think Oswald was the lone shooter without great confidence. I'm just saying based on what I have seen/read it is the best theory IMHO. |
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rockathon
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:01:08
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| he did Apl and memory/redressibility is a central theme of his writing informed by his experiences during the velvet revolution in Czecholsovakia, that and getting pussy |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:10:57
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I've got the Unbearable Lightness of Being on my to read list... it's a classic, but is it a good read?
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:12:38
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Thanks for the info, Dallas. I'm just now coming to understand why the JFK thing is talked about so much south of 49...
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rockathon
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:19:16
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| CoF, it is a good read, maybe a little depressing, basically armchair philosophy within a romance novel. I read it long ago. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 13:20:57
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Good to hear. I hate when you pull up one of these acclaimed books and think to yourself that it wasn't remotely worth the time if only to say you read it.
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 17:39:31
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Phooey.
A bunch of trust-fund babies. Well-off students romaticising violence.
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"Bring the war home"
Pffft. Fucking worthless.
*Shka-pow! |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2003 : 19:18:22
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| Sure, but is it worth it to see the documentary, as a study of an instrumental/momentous era in US history? I would think so, as long as it's not propagandist in favor of the subjects' viewpoints? I want to know more about why so many dissenting viewpoints in that era were so misguided, etc. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 19:50:01
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Kundera is one of those authors who's cool to like but actually kind of sucks.
like Ayn Rand or Jack Kerouac.
i can't tell you how many people in college insisted that Kundera was soooooo great or that "On The Road" changed their life.. (these same people were also highly likely to have a print of Dali's "The Persistence of Memory" up in their room).
for something "classic," with more of a pulse, how about some Henry Miller? |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 01:54:11
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I'm reading Dostoyevsky's Crime & Punishment at the moment: instead of being all deep and impenetrable, its totally accessible and readable, and enjoyable. Properly a classic. I agree that On The Road is overrated - it documents a lifestyle percieved as 'cool' but isn't all that exciting really.
 "I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"
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rockathon
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 08:10:28
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| floop, I guess that's what I was getting at by calling it armchair philosophy - and thinking more about it, you're spot on lumping him in with Kerouac & Rand. He was for sure THE writer for those beret wearing, clove smoking college lit types. I do semi-remember that one being a good read though. or maybe there was a hot chick in the movie. my memory ain't what it used to be, I think. I do think there's some truth in that quote. |
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