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MangyKid
- FB Fan -
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 Posted - 11/19/2003 : 14:57:27
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I have discovered the one and only reason to own a mac! The game spelunx. That is an awesome game from the makers of myst, but it's only on mac.
Also, 90% of mac owners are either impotent or women. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 15:39:48
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quote:
Originally posted by MangyKid
Also, 90% of mac owners are either impotent or women.
LOL. So only 10% can 'get it up'?
Which side are you on, floop?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 15:58:53
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that statistic if false. are you going to trust someone who is covered in mange? my facts come from an actual study .. Mac owners get 78% more sex, across the board.
i assure you i am neither impotent nor a woman..
you must admit though BLT, your little (no pun intended) icon does seem represent impotence quite perfectly, does it not? |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2003 : 16:38:19
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Now that you mention it, she does look a bit like Joe Camel.
Poor Alice. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 01:01:48
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the apple titanium powerbooks are the best laptops on earth.
apples are much more pleasant to use thanks to OS X, however, computer gaming is still very much a PC-oriented thing. so, my desktop will remain a PC for the foreseeable future. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2003 : 14:39:36
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There's no doubt that Apple makes some of the most powerful systems available on the market. The problems:
A) The power comes at a price
B) What's the use of all that power if you can't use it for anything?
Macs will always remain a niche product.
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 09:31:29
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The difference between the PC and Mac is this: Macs do what you want them to do. PC's do what you want them to do after they do what they want to do.
Also, has anybody ever got a virus or worm that attacked their Mac? All the bugs out there seem to be aimed strictly at Windows.
 Flexibility, Service, Expertise: The Cult of Frank |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 09:38:22
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macs are far from the "most powerful". the G5 is pretty fast, but no faster than a P4 or Barton. the new dual G5 tower is an attempt to have the legitimate "fastest desktop", but you could always just build a dual Athlon64 machine.
but here's the point, that much power is only really useful for a couple things; video editing (which is what macs do see use for a lot), and games. the latter, of course, are sorely lacking for the mac. when they do come out they are usually delayed and fall into second tier for support and patches. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 09:57:07
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Originally posted by Steak n Sabre
Also, has anybody ever got a virus or worm that attacked their Mac? All the bugs out there seem to be aimed strictly at Windows.
Exactly. MS insists on using VB script. And no permissioning. Unix and Mac are relatively easy to protect. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 09:57:33
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
macs are far from the "most powerful". the G5 is pretty fast, but no faster than a P4 or Barton. the new dual G5 tower is an attempt to have the legitimate "fastest desktop", but you could always just build a dual Athlon64 machine.
but here's the point, that much power is only really useful for a couple things; video editing (which is what macs do see use for a lot), and games. the latter, of course, are sorely lacking for the mac. when they do come out they are usually delayed and fall into second tier for support and patches.
true about the video editing.. one of the main reasons i got a Mac is to run Final Cut Pro... and almost everyone i work with, and all the programs we work with, are on Macs..
but these reasons are inconsequential when compared with the mass amounts of sex. |
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Hordak
- FB Fan -
USA
180 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 10:16:11
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Yeah, as far as XXX-downloading goes, PC's are definitely the way to go.
Hordak Says:
Fuck that asshole Steve! Die die die motherfucker!!! |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 19:59:33
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Also, has anybody ever got a virus or worm that attacked their Mac? All the bugs out there seem to be aimed strictly at Windows.
Let's see...think of the mind set of someone who wishes to do harm, such as a virus programmer. You spend your precious time brewing up a nasty virus, do you:
A) Program the virus to attack a platform which is used by the majority of the world
B) Program the virus to attack a platform which is used by the LARGE minority of the world
I think the answer is obvious.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 20:27:24
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Originally posted by El Barto
I think the answer is obvious.
Totally. When Mac OS becomes the majority, they'll become the main target. Not that it will ever happen. I think they prefer being the underdog pariahs of the computing world. How else to convince themselves that Apple isn't just another faceless corporation? They charge money for OS point updates, for chrissakes. Imagine the stink if MS tried to charge their users for NT service packs. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2003 : 23:26:42
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Or if they charged for the continuous flow of Window security updates?
Someone earlier mentioned putting together a dual PC. Would Windows be able to take advantage of the duals the way OS X is written to do? |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 07:37:32
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Originally posted by darwin
Someone earlier mentioned putting together a dual PC. Would Windows be able to take advantage of the duals the way OS X is written to do?
You mean dual boot? Are you joking? I had a triple-boot NT4/95/Linux box while Apple was still working on OS8.
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Oh, if you're talking about dual processors, yes, NT4, 2000, XP support it. Sorry, didn't get what you meant. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 07:40:52
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Originally posted by darwin
Someone earlier mentioned putting together a dual PC. Would Windows be able to take advantage of the duals the way OS X is written to do?
Yeah, you can have a dual processor pc - I can't remember which Windows versions run with that setup - I know 95/98 doesn't support it. Pretty sure NT and 2000 does - not familiar enough with xp. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 09:49:42
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now that OS X is based on FreeBSD, unless they do something horribly dumb, they will remain fairly immune to nasty virii, much like UNIX. true file permissions are a Good Thing(tm). |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 11:53:20
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| I'm no expert, but I mean dual processor and having the machine efficiently use both processors. OS X is written to do that and my question was whether any of the Microsoft OS were written do that. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 12:31:06
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didja see my post up there? Here's a little bit I found... got my curiosity goin, darnit!
Huh, this guy says it's not worth it:
http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5002
Posted by: Alexander
"Well.. Tom's Hardware asked that same question. Here is a link to their writeup.
http://www20.tomshardware.com/mothe...0211/index.html
As you can see, the dual processor doesn't offer any significant advantages and they mention that the ONLY game that supports dual processor operation is Quake. Everything else will run at really close (if not slower) on a dual system, and may be unstable because the hardware isn't supported by the game.
All in all, unless you are looking for serious prestige among your peers in the computer geek arena (I'm a computer geek so I can say that, lol.) or have big rendering or video file conversion to do then you would probably be better of with just a faster single processor and lots of Ram. (not to mention a snazzy case with some lights and a solid game system underneath impresses the technoweenies just as much, lol)- Alexander"
Here's something newer about running XP w/dual:
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/windowstips/story/0,24330,3356085,00.html |
Edited by - apl4eris on 11/22/2003 12:44:42 |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 15:22:12
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yeah XP does not make very good use of SMP. but in the end SMP is rarely a worthwhile endeavor. then you've invested in two processors which will be outdated soon enough instead of just one.
it doesn't really give your machine much longevity.
SMP machines are good for specific things, and home use isn't really one of them. it's too much effort to program a game to make real use of it, when almost nobody has it. |
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MangyKid
- FB Fan -
170 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2003 : 17:53:03
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| Hyperthreading. It's not even close to having 2 processors, I hate how they advertise it like that. Even though it's lies, in the end one proc with HT is better than a dual processor PC (for home use, anyway) because there are practically no programs written to use it. Hyperthreading exists because p4s have really long pipelines, so sometimes large chunks of data will have to wait for little chunks to move through the bus, it's just not a very effective architecture. So hyperthreading basically splits the pipeline to make it alternate quickly so stuff can move through faster. The huge FSB of the p4s (100-200x4, athlons are 133-200x2) doesn't help the design much, but HT does to an extent. Sometimes, if you have a program that is using almost 100% of the bus, and it's trying to push huge amounts of data through, HT just gets in the way. Of course, unless you're doing crazily huge video compression or something it's not a problem. I guess my point is: AMD all the way! |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2003 : 21:34:18
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I had this assholes customer the other day (I work at Best Buy selling computers)...fucking redneck prick, argued with me a little about AMD and Intel. He's like "I do this for a living." Uh, what do you think *I* do? P4s are barely faster than the Athlons, and in most cases they're not...but in the cases they are, it hardly warrants paying $100+ extra for the Intel processor. He was so bent on not buying a computer with an AMD processor. Fucking idiot.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 09:46:35
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Originally posted by El Barto
P4s are barely faster than the Athlons, and in most cases they're not...but in the cases they are, it hardly warrants paying $100+ extra for the Intel processor.
How do you know what is worth $100+ to him? It depends on how much money he has and what he has to do. Maybe he was a jerk and not too well informed, but as a salesperson I don't think you should assume you know more about a person's needs than he does. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 11:14:59
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It's not about knowing more about the person's needs...it's about knowing more than the person. And I dislike how most people think salesmen in general don't know a lot about what they're selling...it's true in some cases, but it sure as shit isn't true in my case. Certain situations, maybe...like digital photography and stuff like that...but computers and computer hardware? Not to be arrogant, but good luck.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 11:31:23
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The fact is that 9/10 of the time, at those big-box-all-in-one stores, the average illiterate on the street knows more than the staff. When I was 17, I could go into Future Shop and ask them questions to which I already knew the answers as a simple matter of seeing if I could trust their answers when I started asking real questions, and not once did I get answered satisfactorily. Some of them would fake it, in which case, I'd start having some fun. Others would scan the box. And then either claim ignorance or fake it based on some irrelevent piece of text on the box.
That said, some of these "sales associates" are getting better and some companies are training their staff. Now the most computer illiterate girl in my highschool might have a harder time getting a job in the computers department. Not meant to say that you're illiterate, Jim, I think I know better than that, just that the conception is that most of the people I've dealt with are.
But I'd definitely characterize your response as arrogant. Obviously, there are good reasons for both processors, pros and cons, or one of them would cease to exist. So, if he does computer hardware and IT stuff for a living, and thinks it's worth the $100 for what he would use it for, then how can you possibly say that you know better? And no offense, but it's one thing to sell computer hardware and read about it and dabble a bit, it's another to actually be troubleshooting and using it all day.
Or maybe he doesn't have a 'good reason' for Intel over AMD, but he used AMD back when they were much less stable and he had so many problems he swore not to buy them again. Because AMD basically screwed over a LOT of people back in the day. Then maybe it's worth it to him to pay an extra $100 just to not patronize a company that's already taken him to the hoop. You don't know. You're just supposed to help him get what he wants. You can tell him why you think AMD is better, and having an argument means he probably thinks you know enough to respect your opinion, but at the end of the day, if he wants Intel, it's his money. At least he didn't tell you to shut up and get him his processor. :)
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mun chien andalusia
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Italy
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 14:15:25
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
At least he didn't tell you to shut up and get him his processor. :)
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
which would probably what i would have done in his place.i hate smart ass sellers.mostly because they try to sell you not what they think suits your needs but what they have already in stock or stuff that is already obsolete but they have to give away anyway.last summer i wanted a video card.not an expensive,state of the art but a common entry level 64mb video card.i wanted to spend 40-50eu max.i went to this computer store and the seller started treating me like an ignorant idiot.though i do not claim to be an expert i know what my needs are and i explained him precisely what i wanted but he kept bubbling about agp 8x directx and all that crap that i could never use on my box that is an old p3.he then tried to convince me to upgrade my whole pc just to support the card he was trying to sell me.bottom line:he didn't give a fuck about what i wanted he didn't have that kind of old hardware but he tried to sell me what he had anyway.from that day on i just order stuff on line.a research on internet to check compatibility is a bit boring but always better than having to do with some asshole that thinks he is neo just because he works in a computer shop.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 21:48:43
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Dean: He never specified exactly what he "does for a living." For all I know he could be buying computers for other people (which is what he was doing) and that's what he meant. And obviously if you can say "And no offense, but it's one thing to sell computer hardware and read about it and dabble a bit, it's another to actually be troubleshooting and using it all day." and really mean that about *ME*, you don't know me very well. Not only have I been operating a computer for 3/4 of my life, but the bulk of the past 8 years have been spent in front of a computer. I've earned my arrogance when it comes to computers...I honestly haven't met too many people who could repair/troubleshoot as well as I can...or tell you how to fix a problem on the spot just from a simple diagnosis. Granted, I don't know everything, but nobody really does. I don't work at Best Buy because I enjoy selling, I work there because I enjoy talking about computers with people.
The way he came off against AMD is what pissed me off the most. It was baseless and rediculous as if he had no clue what he was talking about. That's the kind of shit that pisses me off, when people are so adament about something. He refused to buy a system with an AMD processor no matter how great the specs were, and after I pointed out one system had the "dreaded AMD processor," he clarified and bit and was like "No, it's not dreaded...etc.etc." I don't remember what he said.
mun: don't take any of this personally...I'm not directing this specifically to you, but this situation is the perfect example of the kind of customer I despise. Honestly, if *you* know what you're after, and *you* know what's best for you, why are you wasting time talking to sales people? Seriously. I don't understand why people get so pissed and annoyed and are all like "I knew this was better and I knew this is what I wanted but the dumbass sales person was all like this..." I know you're not, don't judge salespeople in general because of the actions of one sales person. There are sales people who are just trying to sell you things...there are sales people who don't know what they're talking about. On the other hand, there are people who know what's going on. I'm always glad to prove to customers that I really know what I'm talking about and that I'm not bullshitting them or trying to sell them something they don't need. But if you (not just you, but anyone reading) are going to come into my store knowing what you want, then get pissed if I tell you otherwise, don't bother coming back.
On a somewhat related note, I had a customer today buying a computer...annoying old guy who was having some problem with his other computer. For the record, I hate old men. They are the worst people, hands down, to deal with when it comes to customers. They are stubborn assholes. Anyway, this guy wasn't completely horrible and I was talking to him about computers...At some point he kinda caught me off guard and asked how well we were doing here. I was like "Uh...you mean, sales? We're doing good" and he mentioned something about how he's been in retail or dealing with retail or something or other for years and 99% of the time he hasn't met a dud there (at Best Buy) who didn't know what they were talking about. I just thanked him and told him that I've been using a computer heavily for 8 years and have been operating one for 3/4 my life and that "I hope I know what I'm talking about <smile>" I was surprised that he pointed that out.
There is such thing as being arrogant, but I also believe there's such thing as earning that arrogance.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2003 : 22:23:21
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Originally posted by El Barto
But if you (not just you, but anyone reading) are going to come into my store knowing what you want, then get pissed if I tell you otherwise, don't bother coming back.
Yikes! Sales with a smile. Your arrogance seems misplaced. |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 22:59:49
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quote:
Originally posted by El Barto
mun: don't take any of this personally...I'm not directing this specifically to you, but this situation is the perfect example of the kind of customer I despise. Honestly, if *you* know what you're after, and *you* know what's best for you, why are you wasting time talking to sales people?
"I joined the Cult of Clops / If I were you, I'd sleep with one eye open."
i don't take it personally as i didn't mean to offend you or the category of salesmen in general.if there were a self service store i would go there,but since there isn't i have to talk to somebody in order to get what i want and it happens that this somebody statistically is convinced that whoever enters a computer store needs to buy something completely different from what he was planning to.i don't mind taking advice (on the contrary) but only when it's me to ask for it.i hate logoroic salesmen as much as you hate stubborn customers.when i enter a shop and i ask for a specific object it's that and ONLY that i want to buy and a salesman's job is to go to the self and get it for me.if i needed advice i would ask for it...
ps:since you are an expert can you risolve this?i changed my cd writer and when i rebooted my pc it gave (and still gives) a floppy disc fail (error 40).the drive worked perfectly before (under win2000 and winxp)and the cables are connected properly.i looked around a bit but nobody has a solution.people say that it's an xp problem and even changing the floppy drive doesn't resolve anything.any suggestions?
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2003 : 17:51:58
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Glad you're not offended. I just want people to know that since I've seen both sides of the story, that for every bad salesmen there's an equal or higher amount of bad customers. The old bullshit of "the customer is always right" is not true nor has it ever been, and unfortunately some people have that mentality. If you know what you came for, just vocalize that to the sales person. If they are smart enough, they would leave you alone. We can't read your minds...if you came in for something and know what it was, just tell me and I'll back off. I might give my 2 cents for what its worth, but if you have your heart set on it I'm not here to change your mind. Hopefully most sales people are aware that their actions affect the possibility of you ever coming back in to the store, so even if they can't offer any advice on what you're doing, the least they could do is not piss you off.
As far as your problem goes, that's wacky...My advice to you is check, double check, recheck, and check once more your cable connections. You might think, with a 90% probability, that you connected it right, but I can tell you that I've done the same thing and it turned out to be the connection. Check the power cable, the cable connection at the motherboard, and the cable connection at the drive. That's a very odd error and it doesn't make sense that it would just stop working in that situation unless the cable was messed with.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2003 : 18:15:28
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Originally posted by El Barto
For the record, I hate old men. They are the worst people, hands down, to deal with when it comes to customers. They are stubborn assholes.
"I joined the Cult of Clops / If I were you, I'd sleep with one eye open."
Not to offend, but you sound as though you may just be a stubborn old man someday, too.
I know what you mean though. I don't work in computers, but old men can be horrible customers to deal with. Like, me and my siblings and grandparents used to go out to Ryans sometimes, where my grandfather would order a steak. Because nothing less than well done will suit him, it would naturally take a little while longer to get his food out than everyone else's. He would always bitch about it, because it was taking so long, but everyone else would've gotten their salads and medium burgers or steaks or whatever.
I suppose old people have a right to be opinionated, as does everyone, but damn they can be frustrating sometimes. I guess they look at us young folk the same way.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2003 : 18:53:37
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This turned into a funny thread...
One thing I hate about computer stores...and I guess I'm thinking about Best Buy right now, but it could be any store really, is when they advertise new software, movies, or cds at, or below cost to bring customers into their store, (and maybe buy one, no two, big screen TVs), and then when I get there, they either, (a) don't have it yet ("the truck didn't get here yet"), or (b) sold out...by the way, this happened to me the last time I went to Best Buy, and the media lady was pissed at me because I pointed out that it was advertised that day as the release day, and her response was something like, and your point is?...wooh, got me angry, though I left without saying a word...
Mun chien, you tried replacing the floppy drive, and still the same problem?...check your BIOS setup, to see if your computer even sees the drive...if it doesn't, I would suspect the motherboard, or the pins on the FD cable connector maybe, or the cable itself...though I HIGHLY doubt the cable would go bad...I'd suspect that on installing your cd-rw, you might've zapped your mobo with a static discharge...on the other hand, if your mobo sees your FD, (also try booting from a floppy disk...remember those?), check your windows settings in device manager...maybe more clues would be in order... |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 19:08:23
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i have already tried all the standard checks:
cables-ok
bios-ok
windows sattings-ok.
it won't work.
i forgot to say this:when i mounted the cdr drive and rebooted the FIRST time all went fine.i then turned off the pc,closed the box without touching any cables and restarted with the error appearing.seems that many people have the same problem:
http://www.nibbleguru.com/probs/136/40
after reading all of the replies the best solution suggestion would be to format and reinstall all drives.i can't do it since i have my complete bootleg collection in here.i don't care that much about floppy discs but having to press f1 to boot gives me the nerves.
ps.in the past occasionaly it gave me "disc non formatted" errors and sometimes floppy discs weren't readable by other computers.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 19:30:11
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I had the same problem, munchien, with a DVD drive. I still haven't gotten that goddamn thing fixed yet. The drive is recognized by Windows, but when you put a CD or DVD in it, it just sits there and does nothing. It's infuriating because I did everything I know to do (and some stuff some people on this forum suggested) including checking the BIOS -- the computer reads the drive. I checked to make sure all cables were snug. I checked to make sure all the jumpers were set in the right position. (Thanks to COF and El Barto.) It still doesn't work, so I'm thinking it's just the drive. I need to get it replaced again before my warantee expires.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.
Carl Sagan
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 11/25/2003 : 19:44:24
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Originally posted by glacial906
I had the same problem, munchien, with a DVD drive. I still haven't gotten that goddamn thing fixed yet. The drive is recognized by Windows, but when you put a CD or DVD in it, it just sits there and does nothing. It's infuriating because I did everything I know to do (and some stuff some people on this forum suggested) including checking the BIOS -- the computer reads the drive. I checked to make sure all cables were snug. I checked to make sure all the jumpers were set in the right position. (Thanks to COF and El Barto.) It still doesn't work, so I'm thinking it's just the drive. I need to get it replaced again before my warantee expires.
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strange,usually cd-dvd drives are simple to install(at least under win2000-xp).from my limited experience i would suggest:
- control if the led light is on when you put a disc in.if not it should be a hardware problem
- get the exact os firmware for the drive.
- upgrade the bios (sometimes old versions dont work with new stuff)
- (i guess you already did this)enable the drive from the control panel
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