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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Canada
6556 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  11:50:49  Show Profile
hey mere, err... I mean scareubu.

You missed it but some time back int the babble factory we were joking about when people from the south say they're 'fixin' to do something. Or when they say 'gettin up with ya'.
I'm fixin to get up with ya'll later;)
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mereubu
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USA
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Posted - 10/31/2003 :  11:55:50  Show Profile  Visit mereubu's Homepage
Yup, I'm always fixin' to do something. I don't know the "gettin up with ya" one, though. My favorite is "betwinxt"--I guess it's a cross between (ha!) between & betwixt, i.e. I cain't decide betwinxt the two of um. Mercy me.


"I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon"
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Canada
6556 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  11:58:29  Show Profile
You mean they don't say that?
I think I've been had.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1602 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  12:19:46  Show Profile  Visit the swimmer's Homepage
I am in the south and have NEVER heard getting up with ya.

I've heard getting up in ya, but not with ya.

I've never heard
"Squeal like a pig" before either though.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1738 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  12:24:02  Show Profile
Youns ever hear when people down south say "youns?" (Pronouced you-uns)
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Canada
6556 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  12:24:31  Show Profile
My friend just moved back from Houston and some co-workers came back and aww screw it I was had.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  12:45:43  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
I dunno, I've actually heard it before - I'm from Kentucky. I'm thinkin you weren't had at all.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Canada
6556 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  12:54:58  Show Profile
Okay then, that's good cuz this one guy said he'll get up with me tomorrow morning and well you know what I thought.

Edited by - Carolynanna on 10/31/2003 13:08:11
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  13:07:08  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
LOL - Whew, glad I could save that one!
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
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Posted - 10/31/2003 :  13:37:06  Show Profile  Visit Crispy Water's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by floop

i actually disagree.. i don't consider it a "plague" on language or anything.. languages change. people use colloquial speak all the time.. it would be one thing if you were presenting a scientific research presentation and you were all like, yeah, like, this science stuff is like, totally scientific..

but everyday language.. wha-eva. i don't have a problem with people using "like" or "umm" to fill space. that's how life is. there are empty spaces. not everyone speaks in essay form..




This hits it on the head for me. To me, "gramatically correct" simply means that the audience understands the message. If I were to bemoan the lack of attention given to details of the language, I wouldn't blame those who ignore them; I would hold responsible the educational system that spends more time trying to be sensitive to kids' feelings than teaching them how to learn.

The ability to think, to learn is a lot more important than being able to show the rest of the world how smart you are.

Nothing is ever something.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  13:41:35  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
Well said, Crispy!
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =

Mexico
15297 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2003 :  13:43:06  Show Profile
sometimes nothing is something



mijn vriendin kan geen orgasme krijgen
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
573 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  04:02:49  Show Profile
I think you all care just a bit too much, is it really that important?

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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <

South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  07:27:36  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by gracie

I think you all care just a bit too much, is it really that important?



Really. Did Felix Unger start this thread?



"I paid the owner twice the rental / To which he was otherwise entitled."
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =

USA
899 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  08:05:34  Show Profile  Visit Chris Knight's Homepage
"Your" instead of "you're" kinda gets on my nerves (though that's really a written grammar error). I usually say "but yeah" when I'm trying to reclaim my train of thought after going on a tangent in the middle of a conversation. I'm also guilty of the occasional "like" or "or something". I consider myself somewhat conscious of the way I speak and the dialecticisms that I resort to, er... to which I resort.
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =

USA
299 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  09:07:25  Show Profile
Your vs You're gets me too. Many years ago I mentioned something to that extent to a friend, who handed me a card for membership in the "Society for the Correct Use of the Apostrophe", whose slogan was "It's seldom we see its proper use". What drives me up the wall is that switch from plural to possessive: eg "We have Pizza's for $5.98"

"I mean, you know" are just placeholders that don't bother me much. It's a step away from stuttering.

The thing that drives me up the wall is overuse of exceptional adjectives like "Awesome." Sunsets in West Virginia are awesome. The Aurora Borealis is awesome. Childbirth is awesome. Sightings of the Virgin Mary are awesome.

A pizza with everything is NOT awesome. It is simply delicious. Getting away with a speeding ticket is NOT awesome. It is simply good luck. That band you saw last week was NOT awesome. It was simply very good. Very few things are truly, jaw droppingly AWESOME, but the way you hear this adjective used, you'd think the entire population walked around in an drooling daze, blown away in awe from all the "Awesome" things they had encountered in only the past two hours.



"Sacred cows make the best burgers!"
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  09:29:55  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by blackpurse

Your vs You're gets me too. Many years ago I mentioned something to that extent to a friend, who handed me a card for membership in the "Society for the Correct Use of the Apostrophe", whose slogan was "It's seldom we see its proper use". What drives me up the wall is that switch from plural to possessive: eg "We have Pizza's for $5.98"

That is incredible, blackpurse! I'd love to have an Apostrophe Society card...Are you familiar with the newsgroup alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe? That's good for a load of puns and other wordplay, and accounts of encounters with the random mark of the apostrophe beast. I haven't been there in a while, but it used to be lots of fun...
quote:
The thing that drives me up the wall is overuse of exceptional adjectives like "Awesome." Sunsets in West Virginia are awesome. The Aurora Borealis is awesome. Childbirth is awesome. Sightings of the Virgin Mary are awesome.
This cracks me up - I am guilty of this frequently, and have tried to curtail my habit, but I still have work to do.
quote:
Originally posted by gracie

I think you all care just a bit too much, is it really that important?
No we don't care too much - do you remember that thread bitchin about trucker caps worn just to the side, or "ironic" t-shirts? Same difference (there's another one that gets me, BTW) ;). Just havin a bit o' fun, griping about things you normally don't have a chance to gripe about...Or I could be wrong, like, I dunno.

Edited by - apl4eris on 11/01/2003 09:31:18
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Iceland
8201 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  09:54:24  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by blackpurse

The thing that drives me up the wall is overuse of exceptional adjectives like "Awesome." Sunsets in West Virginia are awesome. The Aurora Borealis is awesome. Childbirth is awesome. Sightings of the Virgin Mary are awesome.

A pizza with everything is NOT awesome. It is simply delicious. Getting away with a speeding ticket is NOT awesome. It is simply good luck. That band you saw last week was NOT awesome. It was simply very good. Very few things are truly, jaw droppingly AWESOME, but the way you hear this adjective used, you'd think the entire population walked around in an drooling daze, blown away in awe from all the "Awesome" things they had encountered in only the past two hours.




I think I blame the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for this, damn their eyes, or Bill & Ted or Mike Myers.
Surf speak on the whole, i.e. that was awesome, gnarly, rad, etc.
Its wrong but it just makes me laugh instead: "Woah!"
Also, I once laboured (not labored) under the impression that a 'dude' was a camel's penis. Was I right?

Also, I don't know if anyone's mentioned i.e. where e.g is meant? Kind of stupid, innit? (Sorry, I am in London).

Raising pitch in a questioning tone at the end of sentences, as well, or is that just Australians?


"I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"


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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  10:04:36  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
Cheeseman, good point - I realized that I randomly misuse i.e., which is arguably worse than misusing it consistently. I have no idea when it became a habit. Learning that made me curious about the rest of my grammar, and what other failings may be lurking in my brain - this site is a good quick reference, if anybody is curious. http://www.rightwords.co.nz/similar.html

Edited by - apl4eris on 11/01/2003 10:05:15
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
2025 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  10:22:15  Show Profile  Click to see Coldheartofstone's MSN Messenger address
grammar smammar... this aint grade school...
I enjoy being grammatically incorrect...
im a sad sad human being
heh


She was looking for some...place....to go....
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StupidMe
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120 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  10:56:08  Show Profile
The phrase that gets me going is:

"I know, right?"

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Dont get me started on that one!
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
2025 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  10:59:36  Show Profile  Click to see Coldheartofstone's MSN Messenger address
how about "I know, eh?"


She was looking for some...place....to go....
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Iceland
8201 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  16:32:10  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Coldheartofstone

how about "I know, eh?"


She was looking for some...place....to go....


Is that Canadian?


"I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid"


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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"

USA
3988 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  18:47:43  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage
Canadian would be "I know, ay".

I personally can't stand when people say "U-man" when they mean "human". Say the H people! Also the whole craze of "you know what I'm sayin" kind of goes with this topic as a whole. I have heard kids talking and saying that EVERY OTHER SENTANCE. It's really annoying.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  18:54:56  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by ramona

Also the whole craze of "you know what I'm sayin" kind of goes with this topic as a whole. I have heard kids talking and saying that EVERY OTHER SENTANCE. It's really annoying.
fo-shizzle mah bizzle! shiznat drivizzles me all up in da crazizzle hizzouse, yo!
know what I'm sayin? shiznats whacked, dawg. know what I'm sayin?
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  18:58:04  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage
Forgive me. I was just watching the Chapelle show - funny...
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <

3648 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2003 :  20:44:04  Show Profile
quote:
Soon you won't be able to hear anything *but* the "I mean, you knows" - and they will ring in your ears like the bells that drove Quasimodo insane


What happened to him going insane, I didn't hear about that?

I am guilty of using those phrases habitually. I catch myself doing it and then I can't stop. My friend and I were talkig about this same thing the other day. The conversation lead to a story about my friend's brother who was a frat party back in college and some girl walked up to him after something odd had happened and said to him

"That was like totally just like, you know?"


He just turned and walked away.

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ain't it funny how the goes
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1834 Posts

Posted - 11/02/2003 :  07:05:54  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by ramona

Also the whole craze of "you know what I'm sayin" kind of goes with this topic as a whole. I have heard kids talking and saying that EVERY OTHER SENTANCE. It's really annoying.

I thought they were saying "Nome Sane?"
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
573 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2003 :  08:48:49  Show Profile
As a result of this topic i've been monnitoring my conversations and i say "you know" all the time!
I've never realised before and am quite disturbed at the amount that i use it, maybe it's just a form of rebellion because i can't say it in court.
I suppose it's not the end of the world, i should really give myself a break.
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big_galoof
= Cult of Ray =

USA
310 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2003 :  09:06:03  Show Profile  Visit big_galoof's Homepage
gotcha!

;^P

TBG
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
871 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2003 :  09:16:56  Show Profile
You want to hear footballers (soccer players) being interviewed on TV over here. They live in a world of cliches. I swear that my 6 year old has a better grasp of the english language at times.

"football is all about scoring goals."

"The lads done great"

"It's a game of two halves"

One good one:

"He couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo"
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
2025 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2003 :  09:30:41  Show Profile  Click to see Coldheartofstone's MSN Messenger address
I'll stop when me ars turns purple and me shit smells like rainbow sherbert.


She was looking for some...place....to go....
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
11687 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2003 :  10:03:42  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage
Ramona - "Eh" is Canadian, though it is pronounced as you've spelled it.

Carolyn - I hate to see American spellings of words cropping up more and more frequently, but since we use American software with American spell checks, things like honour become honor and colour become color and cheque become check. The most frustrating Americanism for me is their insistence at mispronouncing "buoy". The word is derivative from buoyancy/buoyant, and somehow most Americans seem to know how to pronounce that one, yet fail at the smaller version. Boo-ee? What the hell are you talking about?! I heard a Canadian say it the other day and wanted to smack him, though I have no idea why such a trivial and stupid thing pisses me off so much. I suppose it's a pet peeve, and this is our thread for being anal about really trivial language-type anomalies, though, so...

It does drive me up the wall to see someone use its instead of it's or vice versa. Or to use an apostrophe for pluralization. Or no apostrophe for possession. Or dropping of words like "are", mostly done by those who find something endearing about talking 'street'. Eg. "You gettin' fat, girl!"

I'm not immune to colloquialistic pitfalls, but I do try to avoid them. People seem to think that writing with no punctuation, cringe-worthy grammar, and so forth are fine on the internet or in emails or other electronic comminications. But many times, the only way you know the person is through these electronic means (how many of you know me personally?), and the long and short of it is that if you don't pay any attention to what/how you're writing, then it will show and you WILL be judged by how you write because there is nothing else to evaluate. When someone sends me an email with easy words misspelled (or even many words mistyped), no capitalization or punctuation, and awful grammar, I am forced to presume that they're perhaps not the most brilliant minds I've interacted with. It doesn't take much or even any effort to write coherently, so why not?

Those are my feelings on the matter - maybe it comes from editing a newspaper, maybe from a crush on an English teacher, whatever, I'm anal and accept it. I don't expect nor deliver perfection, but a little effort goes a long way. That's all.

For the record, I find that members of this forum generally do pretty well compared to what I've seen...

PS I do abuse the ellipsis but thoroughly enjoy doing so. Just try and stop me!


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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"

USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 :  10:08:29  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

Ramona - "Eh" is Canadian, though it is pronounced as you've spelled it.

"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"



I'm confused! If it is pronouced like I spelled it then why is it "eh"? I say EH as it is spelled, so now I am all lost and stuff. Ay?
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ramona
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 :  10:09:19  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage
Oh, and when I say "eh" it rhymes with "feh" if that clarifies.
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