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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
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 Posted - 10/24/2003 : 12:31:17
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| sorry I came across so harsh on ADD, I just get the impression that it's diagnosed more frequently than it occurrs. I obviously am not an expert. meep. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 12:35:54
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one more swimmer
Semper ubi sub ubi. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 12:36:10
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| No harm, it is overdiagnosed, makes it difficult for the kids who really have it (and their parents). |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 12:39:54
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| Do you think there has been a surge in occurances of ADD, like it seems has happened with autism, or is it just that we are noticing it now that it has become more widely-known? Or both? The autism surge in California really weirds me out. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 12:51:15
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Autism & Aspergers are all related to ADD or they're all related.
One stat I read that was interesting is that cases of ADD have gone up in direct proportion to when they stopped automatically taking out kids' tonsils and adenoids. Something about causing snoring and wrecking REM thereby producing ADD like symptoms.
Kids who are chronically sleep deprived (like this include almost everyone) can exhibit ADD like symptoms, same with chronic dehydration. Also there are so many pollutants like lead poisoning that lead to these symptoms, fetal alcohol syndrome etc.
Plus we give kids TV, video games etc. to the point where they can't even think for themselves and/or lose their own creativity. We'll soon have a whole generation of kids who display ADD symptoms. But those who truly have it have chemical imbalances in the brain.
BTW, they say its mostly genetic from the father's side. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 12:56:26
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| Thanks Carolynanna for all the info! - very interesting. The tonsils/REM point is especially poignant for me, as they think that may be one reason for my husband's 3 and 1/2 month long headache. He has gone through a lot of acupuncture, and that has relieved almost all of the pain after 7 or so sessions, but he may need to go through a sleep exam - I'm sure he has sleep apnea - I have to wake him up jst about every night to tell him to move onto his side so he can breathe. Doesn't help my REM much either, heh ;) |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1887 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 13:08:00
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Ah ha!
The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
That's the origin of your name!
*Shka-pow! |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 13:15:09
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Wha??? I never.... huh?
.....tick tick tick tick....
Ahhh, google explained - Eris was around long before that. ;) Have you ever read The Illuminatus Trilogy? Also the Principia Discodia. Which came first, maybe.
fun!!!
http://www.ology.org/principia/ |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 14:44:57
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
Autism & Aspergers are all related to ADD or they're all related.
One stat I read that was interesting is that cases of ADD have gone up in direct proportion to when they stopped automatically taking out kids' tonsils and adenoids. Something about causing snoring and wrecking REM thereby producing ADD like symptoms.
Kids who are chronically sleep deprived (like this include almost everyone) can exhibit ADD like symptoms, same with chronic dehydration. Also there are so many pollutants like lead poisoning that lead to these symptoms, fetal alcohol syndrome etc.
Plus we give kids TV, video games etc. to the point where they can't even think for themselves and/or lose their own creativity. We'll soon have a whole generation of kids who display ADD symptoms. But those who truly have it have chemical imbalances in the brain.
BTW, they say its mostly genetic from the father's side.
Just this very month, the men in my family have been diagnosed with Asperger's. When I was reading the list of traits, I just thought, Bingo! Ding-ding-ding! It's been a huge relief finding out what the hell has been up with these guys all these years. Now we all get to keep and eye on OUR kids and see if any of them seem to have it, because behavioral modification in childhood is really the only chance that some of these kids with Asperger's will have for a normal social life.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 14:56:10
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Multiple men in your family mere? wow.
the only thing I know about aspergers is that it is way worse than ADD, although many of the symptoms are the same as ADD.
Reason being that with kids with ADD you can teach them strategies to process language or info the same as the rest of us. they can use these strategies until it becomes like second nature. With aspergers, those affected will probably never be able to use these strategies, it just doesn't seem to work. Its like they're in the same boat as kids with ADD but it just won't get any better. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:10:45
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Yeah, I think it's classified as a "persistent developmental disorder." There's really no cure or medication, really. A lot of people with it end up with a host of problems w/depression as adults just as a result of not quite fitting in. I think that my guys have a relatively mild version of it--no problems w/language or processing info (in fact, people with Asperger's often have high scientific or musical aptitude) but instead problems w/extreme egocentrism, reading other people, empathy, and just generally relating socially. It's like the geek disease, with a little seizure activity thrown in for good (!) measure. If you catch kids with it when they're little, you can at least teach them how they're expected to behave with other people. My dad and I have talked about Z a lot b/c she is sort of freakish in the science/language acquisition department but have agreed that she seems to have inherited some of his scientific aptitude w/out any of his neurological problems. So, even though she's a weird and sensitive little kid, I think it's safe to say that she's more "different-but normal" than anything else. It's been an interesting month, though, to say the least.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon" |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:20:18
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The vast majority of people with ADD are male.
I knew with D pretty early, things like he was not able to sing his ABCs by kindergarten, can't follow simple directions etc. Now to get the schoolboard to help is another story.... One good thing is that he doesn't have the hyperactivity part. And he is the wiz in math. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:30:08
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That is good. D always sounds like such a neat kid. Did he finally ever to see the Chilis?
Z has a friend who's hyperactive, and if I don't watch really closely when he's over here, he will completely destroy my home. Who in the hell tries to climb a refrigerator?!?
"I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon" |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:49:29
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Yup we're going on Sunday, he is so stoked its crazy.
and ya I hear ya, my biggest problem is trying to keep my house even remotely organized! |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:52:17
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| Say, how'd this get turned into the ADD post? |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:54:13
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| heh, we have trouble focusing.... |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 16:47:48
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Haa! Y'all have a good time at the show.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon" |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 17:13:37
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by apl4eris
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by apl4eris
We're wanting to expand our r&b and soul music library, eventually. We both really dig the motown and doo-wop as well. Do you have any suggestions?
Well yes. I have found that my heart breaks everytime I listen to anything by Otis Redding. Not in a sad way all the time, just because he's so damned good. I love Nina Simone's stuff. I love the Psychedelic soul era in a bad way. Try The Temptations Cloud Nine Album, The Chambers Brothers, the Undisputed Truth, Shuggie Otis, and though this is not old, 2 cds that changed me in a good way on how I view music are "Stankonia" by Outkast and Erykah Badu's live album. Also I like Cee-Lo Green. Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, The Supremes, Ike and Tina Turner, The Ronettes, the movie "Standing In The Shadows of Motown". Early and middle period Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles.
Early Bee Gees (For real, don't laugh that shit was produced by Sir George Martin), The Band, The Last Waltz, Sly and the Family Stone, Prince. I am in love with the history of popular music and what connects and what influenced everybody.
You really should see "Standing in the Shadows of Motown" and just see where it leads you.
I'm there on the Otis Redding and Nina Simone - though I haven't been keeping up w/the latter - I got into her from a song on the "Far Away So Close" soundtrack (Wim Wenders). Sly, Prince, well, jus about everybody you listed is great - I don't think I'd actually buy any BeeGees, though there is a weird place in my heart for that kind of music because my mom always listened to a station that played them when she drove our big ol' 1977 Green Chevy Van to work. Never heard of the Last Waltz, though. I like Outkast and Erykah Badu, but don't have any of their stuff. Thanks for the recommendations - you reminded me of a lot of stuff I had mentally misplaced.
Well let me tell you something about the BeeGees, ok?
I know where you're coming from, although I am not talking about "Staying Alive" ere BGs though in retrospect, it's not bad, in fact it's kinda badass.
But what I'm talking about is the George Martin produced era. The Early years. Check out these songs or buy The Bee Gees Greatest Hits, the one with the yellow cover and these songs
I Just Got to get a Message to You
To Love Somebody
Massachuesettes
Every Christian Lion Hearted Man Will Tell You
I Started a Joke
1941 Mining Disater
Holiday
etc. etc.
If You don't like those songs, you might have to go see a doctor because your heart is missing.
The Last Waltz is the movie by Martin Scorsese of The Band's last concert together. Wow. Repeat. Wow. They definitely had the right name.
This quoting thing is getting way out of control. we can all read what's already been said.
Semper ubi sub ubi. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 21:56:21
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by apl4eris
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by apl4eris
We're wanting to expand our r&b and soul music library, eventually. We both really dig the motown and doo-wop as well. Do you have any suggestions?
Well yes. I have found that my heart breaks everytime I listen to anything by Otis Redding. Not in a sad way all the time, just because he's so damned good. I love Nina Simone's stuff. I love the Psychedelic soul era in a bad way. Try The Temptations Cloud Nine Album, The Chambers Brothers, the Undisputed Truth, Shuggie Otis, and though this is not old, 2 cds that changed me in a good way on how I view music are "Stankonia" by Outkast and Erykah Badu's live album. Also I like Cee-Lo Green. Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, The Supremes, Ike and Tina Turner, The Ronettes, the movie "Standing In The Shadows of Motown". Early and middle period Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles.
Early Bee Gees (For real, don't laugh that shit was produced by Sir George Martin), The Band, The Last Waltz, Sly and the Family Stone, Prince. I am in love with the history of popular music and what connects and what influenced everybody.
You really should see "Standing in the Shadows of Motown" and just see where it leads you.
I'm there on the Otis Redding and Nina Simone - though I haven't been keeping up w/the latter - I got into her from a song on the "Far Away So Close" soundtrack (Wim Wenders). Sly, Prince, well, jus about everybody you listed is great - I don't think I'd actually buy any BeeGees, though there is a weird place in my heart for that kind of music because my mom always listened to a station that played them when she drove our big ol' 1977 Green Chevy Van to work. Never heard of the Last Waltz, though. I like Outkast and Erykah Badu, but don't have any of their stuff. Thanks for the recommendations - you reminded me of a lot of stuff I had mentally misplaced.
Well let me tell you something about the BeeGees, ok?
I know where you're coming from, although I am not talking about "Staying Alive" ere BGs though in retrospect, it's not bad, in fact it's kinda badass.
But what I'm talking about is the George Martin produced era. The Early years. Check out these songs or buy The Bee Gees Greatest Hits, the one with the yellow cover and these songs
I Just Got to get a Message to You
To Love Somebody
Massachuesettes
Every Christian Lion Hearted Man Will Tell You
I Started a Joke
1941 Mining Disater
Holiday
etc. etc.
If You don't like those songs, you might have to go see a doctor because your heart is missing.
The Last Waltz is the movie by Martin Scorsese of The Band's last concert together. Wow. Repeat. Wow. They definitely had the right name.
This quoting thing is getting way out of control. we can all read what's already been said.
Semper ubi sub ubi.
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2003 : 23:15:55
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Originally posted by glacial906
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Originally posted by realmeanmotorscutor
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by apl4eris
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Originally posted by the swimmer
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Originally posted by apl4eris
We're wanting to expand our r&b and soul music library, eventually. We both really dig the motown and doo-wop as well. Do you have any suggestions?
Well yes. I have found that my heart breaks everytime I listen to anything by Otis Redding. Not in a sad way all the time, just because he's so damned good. I love Nina Simone's stuff. I love the Psychedelic soul era in a bad way. Try The Temptations Cloud Nine Album, The Chambers Brothers, the Undisputed Truth, Shuggie Otis, and though this is not old, 2 cds that changed me in a good way on how I view music are "Stankonia" by Outkast and Erykah Badu's live album. Also I like Cee-Lo Green. Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, The Supremes, Ike and Tina Turner, The Ronettes, the movie "Standing In The Shadows of Motown". Early and middle period Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles.
Early Bee Gees (For real, don't laugh that shit was produced by Sir George Martin), The Band, The Last Waltz, Sly and the Family Stone, Prince. I am in love with the history of popular music and what connects and what influenced everybody.
You really should see "Standing in the Shadows of Motown" and just see where it leads you.
I'm there on the Otis Redding and Nina Simone - though I haven't been keeping up w/the latter - I got into her from a song on the "Far Away So Close" soundtrack (Wim Wenders). Sly, Prince, well, jus about everybody you listed is great - I don't think I'd actually buy any BeeGees, though there is a weird place in my heart for that kind of music because my mom always listened to a station that played them when she drove our big ol' 1977 Green Chevy Van to work. Never heard of the Last Waltz, though. I like Outkast and Erykah Badu, but don't have any of their stuff. Thanks for the recommendations - you reminded me of a lot of stuff I had mentally misplaced.
Well let me tell you something about the BeeGees, ok?
I know where you're coming from, although I am not talking about "Staying Alive" ere BGs though in retrospect, it's not bad, in fact it's kinda badass.
But what I'm talking about is the George Martin produced era. The Early years. Check out these songs or buy The Bee Gees Greatest Hits, the one with the yellow cover and these songs
I Just Got to get a Message to You
To Love Somebody
Massachuesettes
Every Christian Lion Hearted Man Will Tell You
I Started a Joke
1941 Mining Disater
Holiday
etc. etc.
If You don't like those songs, you might have to go see a doctor because your heart is missing.
The Last Waltz is the movie by Martin Scorsese of The Band's last concert together. Wow. Repeat. Wow. They definitely had the right name.
This quoting thing is getting way out of control. we can all read what's already been said.
Semper ubi sub ubi.
Yeah.
ja think? |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2003 : 08:43:12
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Originally posted by mereubu
Haa! Y'all have a good time at the show.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon"
So we went and I think it was about the cutest thing I have ever seen in my life. Gosh I love that kid! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2003 : 10:21:45
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| Hilarious, I didn't see that the topic was changed, too funny. |
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