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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
 Posted - 09/12/2003 : 13:37:57
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| I've played drums for the past 15 years.....any others out there seem to notice that this Scott's talent is under-rated? He seems to draw influences from many, many sources. I know that his drumming may seem very simple, but I tell you, it is inspired. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 13:39:43
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| Hey fiddle faddle, you wanna move to Saskatoon and play drums for us? We could really use a solid skin man.... |
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
819 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 13:47:19
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You're right about Boutier; I hadn't really thought of him as all that spectacular until I saw the band live. Since then I've started noticing things he does in some songs that I realize are really important. One of my favourite things with drummers is when they have a sense of the power of subtlety, and the more I pay attention to his playing the more I feel like he gets it. I mean, he can tear it up too, but to me it's a sign of real skill to be able to hold back.
Nothing is ever something. |
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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =
USA
2677 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 13:48:56
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I've never, ever played drums but am still amazed at how many tricks he has up his sleeve. "Announcement," anyone? The man is a beast.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / And all I got was this lousy icon" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 13:55:29
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Originally posted by speedy_m
Hey fiddle faddle, you wanna move to Saskatoon and play drums for us? We could really use a solid skin man....
Yeah, no kidding. A drummer that understands that it's not always about being full of fills or the power of sparsitude, and the power of hitting the things really hard - but all when it's called for, at the right time. That would be nice.
Scotty has all of those things and more, but he declined when we asked him to leave Frank and join us. :) Yeah, Scott's awesome, no two ways about it. Watch him play Los Angeles. Hoo!
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 14:13:28
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| Wow, maybe this extremely positive post will make Harris want to come back and tell us who plays what on each track of the new album |
Edited by - NimrodsSon on 09/12/2003 14:17:43 |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 14:45:01
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You know, if you're drumming is AWESOME ...you will always be underrated.
How many stone foundations do you notice on houses and say, that's an awesome house because of it?
Well, shit, you know what I mean...I'm hungry and can't think straight. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 14:49:53
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Yeah, that's true. Nobody ever notices unless you're tooting your own horn or you screw up. Engineers have that problem with their image - they're generally only talked about when something goes wrong, people generally don't think of all the day-to-day things where we place our lives in their hands.
Maybe I'll start my own thread as well, given that I'm a moderator these days, bemoaning the under-appreciated engineer and all my hidden talents. But then, this is probably bad enough. :)
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 14:51:36
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| to be be honest i don't know of any seriously respected, or even over-rated drummers to know that there could be an under-rated drummer. |
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edward897
- FB Fan -
80 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 18:59:47
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My wife and I saw the band play in Baltimore in the Spring of 2001. Between songs my wife tells me that she likes watching the drummer, he's cool, and she wants to learn to play. I bought her a drum set a month later and she's been playing ever since then. Pretty cool thing to do for a 37 year old school teacher.
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paintmeister
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 19:15:04
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
Wow, maybe this extremely positive post will make Harris want to come back and tell us who plays what on each track of the new album
I'd like to know who played what, too. I like the way they listed the musicians on DITS. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 19:34:36
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I was going to post about how tired I'm getting of Scott's drumming. He's so dull and predictable...it's the same drum beat over and over. Genius? Hardly. He's good, but not that good. That's one of the first things I thought of when I started listening to SMYT...I thought "Man, his drumming is getting old." Sorry.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / But I don't post every 5 fucking minutes" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 21:51:56
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heh..i wasn't gonna post until i saw Jim's........and i agree with him in general... I find he's solid as hell, no doubt, but it's all pretty 'straight forward' stuff..there aren't many times i've thought 'wow, that's a cool beat!'
But maybe i haven't been listening too hard..i dunno.
"We've got Dean to thank / For this Cult of Frank" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 21:54:58
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And don't get me wrong, i'm glad he's in the band, and being a solid drummer, he's a good man to have. I'm just not blown away like i am with the roles of the other members.
(And let's not forget, i have a bit of a beef since he forgot to put me on the guestlist, and i had to bug Dave P. ;) |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 22:04:54
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Originally posted by El Barto
I was going to post about how tired I'm getting of Scott's drumming. He's so dull and predictable...it's the same drum beat over and over. Genius? Hardly. He's good, but not that good. That's one of the first things I thought of when I started listening to SMYT...I thought "Man, his drumming is getting old." Sorry.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / But I don't post every 5 fucking minutes"
Man, you never cease to amaze me with your ignorance. It's a good thing the Bennies kicked your dumb ass out. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 22:31:46
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I quit, you whore. He's not that hot of a drummer. Name 3 songs in which his drumming is a-fucking-mazing.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / But I don't post every 5 fucking minutes" |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2003 : 22:53:55
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Yikes, talk about fanatical. I swear that some people in this forum have the same unwavering, unobjective, militant love of FBC as Pope does Christianity. Whenever something is said that vaguely disputes the role of FB and the Catholics as completely perfect gods, WHAM! Crack down on the fuckers!
No one even said he wasn't good. They just said that he wasn't spectacular, which I totally agree with. His drumming is solid enough (and that more than does the job), it is nowhere near spectacular though. I'm sure that even he'd be intelligent enough to openly admit that he isn't a drumming god.
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miguel
- FB Fan -
USA
213 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 00:26:04
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My experience with drummers is that they're fucking flaky and weird.
Oh yeah..I've got some stories... |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 05:19:56
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Actually, I never considered Scott's drumming amazing until SMYT. The Catholics are in top form on this record, and Scott plays better than ever. I love the drums on the album.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6118 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 06:01:22
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I like his drumming
Maybe it isn't very amazing
but hell
the sound of FB isn't amazing right?
just the best songs on the planet
with the best musicians on the planet
they play like the Stones, Young, Dylan, Springsteen,etc. used to play, maybe it isn't that original, but the indierock scene is loaded with so called ''art-bands'' doing ''new'' stuff
FB already did that. He has passed that stage, now he is making
classics.
So yeah, with a classic sound you need a classic drummer.
Tada! Scott!
and he's very good in it
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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pixie punk
> Teenager of the Year <
2923 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 07:23:20
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| The song that made me turn my my head and say "Damn that's some very good drumming" was Suffering from Frank Black and The Catholics.Frank singing on that one always send chills down my spine and the whole band backs him up with such passion and driving force that for me is jaw dropping!!! |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 09:08:53
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| I wish you could see him better at shows - he's always in the back (as drummers are, duh) but it also is always dark and he's usually in a hat (we have a theory he may be part of the witness protection program) so it's hard to do anything but hear him. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 09:42:12
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
And don't get me wrong, i'm glad he's in the band, and being a solid drummer, he's a good man to have. I'm just not blown away like i am with the roles of the other members.
(And let's not forget, i have a bit of a beef since he forgot to put me on the guestlist, and i had to bug Dave P. ;)
That happened to us in Regina, we were supposed to be on the guestlist but his phone had died, or Sarah's (SpinArt) had, or something. So we went to the bus and Mac got up from watching his ball game (he wasn't sitting with the rest of the band in the back). He came to the door and we told him we'd driven from Saskatoon and we were supposed to be on the guestlist, bla bla bla, and he brought Scott over, and Scott was awesome. He brought us in, introduced us to the bouncers, and hung out and chatted for a little while before retiring to the bus. He told us they weren't on for quite a while and we should go grab a coffee/bite and come back, and then brought us to the bouncers and made sure they knew who we were so we wouldn't have to stand in line or show tickets again. Very cool of him.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 11:53:17
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WELL....the point of the post was that Scott is very subtle but inspired....plays from the heart, as has Frank Black ffor the past three or four albums, or maybe some of you haven't noticed. My point here is, if Terry Bozzio or Neil Peart were playing on these albums....i'm sorry to say that that they would have to play the same way, because it is what is demanded in this style of music......when i hear the repetitive short drum rolls in 'Everything is New'....my mind is reminded of new beginnings ([in a ironic way]....as the lyrics seem to illustrate, drum rolls can be employed in an extremely symbolic sense; an event, or arrival. Drummers keep the beat, but also set the mood. If you keep the lyrics in mind, and listen to the choices Scott makes in drumming.....you may be astounded at the inspired elements of his drumming. Quite often brilliant.
So leave the razzle dazzle to Buddy Rich and JOhn Bonham and let Scott do his job.....which in my opinion, is better than great. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 12:38:37
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Exactly. Just because he's not all flair and show-offery, doesn't mean he isn't doing exactly what's called for as needed, and that's what makes him a great musician. If you want to hear him doing a lot of flashy stuff, check out a live version of Freedom Rock or even the intro of Bullet.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 21:56:03
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 22:11:32
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I'm not talking show-offy or flair...just not *creative*...it seems mainly straight-forward drumming. As Jim said, what you'd expect to hear. Not something that's a little different, or dare i say 'quirky'.
But again, he's great, and i'm glad he's in the band. |
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 09:12:42
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SB is the Ringo Starr of his generation, steady, rock-solid, capable of flash when called upon. In short, everything a great band needs. Besides, the next time I hear some knothead pounding 64th. note triplets on a kick drum, I'm going postal...
The Cult of Frank: "More than you think, for less than you thought" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 10:18:47
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I dig the sig, Brian. That might be our new motto. And the two heads thing is kinda' cool.
Sheamus Yeah, I know, I'm just saying that the reason people might not think he's a good drummer is because he's not calling a lot of attention to himself. Maybe Dave is right and that means he's not very creative, but I think it just means he's happy to contribute to the song in the way that's called for without searching for the spotlight. We've seen that he's technically capable of playing really hard crap, but does he come up with it? Should he? I personally think that what he's done is great, but you guys are correct that there really aren't any beats where I sit up and say, wow, that's really cool sounding. The question is, if there was, wouldn't that mean that my attention was being diverted from the song itself? It's hypothetical, and there's no correct answer, but I think that it might, and that might not be the ideal thing for a drummer to be trying to do.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 10:35:52
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If we're going to bring up Ringo also, I might as well profess my hatred for him. He sucks.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / But I don't post every 5 fucking minutes" |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 10:41:50
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Ringo sucks? Man, this is getting ridiculous.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 11:51:03
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OK, so he doesn't suck in the "inability to play" department, but he's certainly nothing to write home about. He's very, very boring. If anyone thinks he's great or underrated or even dare I say "genius," then you're delirious.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / But I don't post every 5 fucking minutes" |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 11:58:37
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I think Ringo deserves more credit than that. It's hard to shine behind the likes of Paul and John, but he held his own and shone on many occasions.
Back to Scott, i don't think that being creative takes away from anything (unless that's the intent.) It should *add* to the whole song, and make the entire experience better, not steal the spotlight.
Again, this is the difference between 'flair' and 'creative'. I'm not asking for insane rolls every other bar, i'm asking for something more than what i'm expecting to hear. Playing 'outside the box'.. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 12:35:06
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i was noticing his nice drumming on the eponymous CD the other day.
he's no jimmy chamberlain, dave grohl, john bonham, etc. but he's good. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 13:36:15
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| heard what he does with 'Remake/Remodel'? enough said. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2003 : 13:45:45
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also people who look at drummers and/or bass players as just a foundation for the rest of the band are fools. |
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