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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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 Posted - 08/20/2003 : 19:09:44
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I remember this topic drew a lot of heat...and here's the follow-up..
To sum up, i posted a report that the US had used napalm in the war, but then shortly after they issued a report saying that they had destroyed all napalm in the 80's..
Now we have this, where they basically changed the recipe a little bit...what a bunch of lying fuckers.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=432201
10 August 2003
American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on
Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive
fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.
The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots and
their commanders have confirmed that they used an upgraded version of
the weapon against dug-in positions. They said napalm, which has a
distinctive smell, was used because of its psychological effect on an
enemy.
A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm,
a terrifying mixture of jet fuel and polystyrene that sticks to skin as
it burns. The US, which did not sign the treaty, is one of the few
countries that makes use of the weapon. It was employed notoriously
against both civilian and military targets in the Vietnam war.
The upgraded weapon, which uses kerosene rather than petrol, was used in
March and April, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges
over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris river, south of Baghdad.
"We napalmed both those [bridge] approaches," said Colonel James Alles,
commander of Marine Air Group 11. "Unfortunately there were people there
... you could see them in the [cockpit] video. They were Iraqi soldiers.
It's no great way to die. The generals love napalm. It has a big
psychological effect."
A reporter from the Sydney Morning Herald who witnessed another napalm
attack on 21 March on an Iraqi observation post at Safwan Hill, close to
the Kuwaiti border, wrote the following day: "Safwan Hill went up in a
huge fireball and the observation post was obliterated. 'I pity anyone
who is in there,' a Marine sergeant said. 'We told them to surrender.'"
At the time, the Pentagon insisted the report was untrue. "We completed
destruction of our last batch of napalm on 4 April, 2001," it said.
The revelation that napalm was used in the war against Iraq, while the
Pentagon denied it, has outraged opponents of the war.
"Most of the world understands that napalm and incendiaries are a
horrible, horrible weapon," said Robert Musil, director of the
organisation Physicians for Social Responsibility. "It takes up an awful
lot of medical resources. It creates horrible wounds." Mr Musil said
denial of its use "fits a pattern of deception [by the US
administration]".
The Pentagon said it had not tried to deceive. It drew a distinction
between traditional napalm, first invented in 1942, and the weapons
dropped in Iraq, which it calls Mark 77 firebombs. They weigh 510lbs,
and consist of 44lbs of polystyrene-like gel and 63 gallons of jet fuel.
Officials said that if journalists had asked about the firebombs their
use would have been confirmed. A spokesman admitted they were
"remarkably similar" to napalm but said they caused less environmental
damage.
But John Pike, director of the military studies group
GlobalSecurity.Org, said: "You can call it something other than napalm
but it is still napalm. It has been reformulated in the sense that they
now use a different petroleum distillate, but that is it. The US is the
only country that has used napalm for a long time. I am not aware of any
other country that uses it." Marines returning from Iraq chose to call
the firebombs "napalm".
Mr Musil said the Pentagon's effort to draw a distinction between the
weapons was outrageous. He said: "It's Orwellian. They do not want the
public to know. It's a lie."
In an interview with the San Diego Union-Tribune, Marine Corps Maj-Gen
Jim Amos confirmed that napalm was used on several occasions in the war. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 19:27:52
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This doesn't surprise me in the slightest, it's a fucking disgrace that they invaded Iraq because they lied about WMD, and then used the next thing down from WMD (which they also lied about) against the Iraqis.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 19:46:37
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That's seriously fucked up. This shit needs to be put out on the front page of all the newspapers. Fucking Bush and his fucking goons. I hope come 2004 his ass is dragged out of the White House. Put these fucking maggots in jail.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 20:46:33
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Do you reckon that fuckwit will gte re elected again?
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 21:11:53
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Shit man, I sure as hell hope not. In the current state, I don't think he will. Maybe it's wishful thinking. But I can almost guarantee you we'll see another big US terrorist attack on the US to scare everyone into voting him back on.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2003 : 23:45:35
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 01:09:02
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The fucker will be re-elected... |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 02:13:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Noisy
A lot of comedy shows seem to be making the joke that they'll find the WMD in Iraq....right before the election..
I think if that happened then the world would probably guess that it was a set up. I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened though.
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 06:52:48
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Thanks for coming back to us on this one Dave.
I know that some of the newspapers in the UK occasionally make an effort to print the truth however it really bothers me that something like this doesn't make it onto the tv news (which people believe more than newspapers). |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 09:11:41
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How's the UK media treating Tony Blair at the moment as he's as much an arsehole as Bush if you ask me..... Have he been questionned as part of the enquiry into the death of David Kelly?
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 10:13:31
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 10:24:18
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Its outrage for the sake of outrage. The far left has gone batty over its hatred for GWB. The only recourse for this action is to reinstate Saddam Hussein immediately, sure he's evil personified, but, hey it would piss off that fucker in the white house.
However, playing word-games with napalm was short sighted and only fuels the haters. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 10:58:07
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 11:19:24
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<grumble>
The main problem i have with Dallas' statement is the blatent disregard and lack of value for human life.
As i said before, and no one can deny this - napalm is absolutely dreadful. Almost every country (short of, suprise, the US) has agreed NOT TO USE NAPALM. And for good reason.
So the US Gov't clearly LIED. They use weapons that virtually everyone else has agreed are too horrible. They told us they destroyed all their napalm. Then they go and use a napalm-like weapon. And then re-affirm that they don't have napalm.
Of course, no point is using this as an example that THESE FUCKERS AREN'T TO BE TRUSTED. They couldn't even suss up to this right then and there.
It's so sad, Dallas, that the only thing you see wrong with this is that there were 'word-games', and not that other humans were forced to endure death at the hands of *illegal* napalm.
Sad, sad, sad, and it's that sort of deprived heartlessness that really fuels the left. You call us haters, but at least we also recognize the value of human life. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 11:22:21
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Fuck you Dallas, and Fuck you Erebus.
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 11:50:28
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some people work for their president instead of having their president work for them like it's supposed to be. Patriotism is a real shame. Makes people think whatever their governments do, they have to support it. Some people want to get involved and say "we're at war with Iraq" instead "my stupid government is at war with Iraq's stupid government". It makes them patriotic and in their mind it shows that they love their country and it makes them feel knowledgeable to read about current events and listen to Rush Limbaugh and then adopt a stance. Nevermind the fact that they didn't adopt their political views through independent thought but rather through word of mouth and mass media. And governments encourage that way of thought because it strengthens their positions to have as many people involved and supporting their decisions with as little questioning as possible. All the clever governments use patriotism for their own gains. They saw how well it worked for Germany 60 years ago; they know they just need to tone it down a little and the lemmings will be eating out of their hands.
He who can does - he who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw)
The only difference between doctors and lawyers is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too. (Anton Chekhov)
By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. (Socrates) |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 12:51:46
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quote:
Originally posted by El Barto
Fuck you Dallas, and Fuck you Erebus.
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now we're getting some intelligent discussion going.. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 15:41:54
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Dave you shouldnt be reading into my words. My point is that relying on wordsmithing on something as important and serious as the use of a weapon serves no strategic purpose. The actual use of that weapon will eventually be reported.
So, instead of being upfront and describing with some detail why the use of such a weapon was deemed necessary, the pentagon (I suppose) may have gotten some short term relief in the respect that you dont get questioned or protested for the tradeoff of giving fuel to those who oppose everything you do anyway down the road. There is no gain from not being completely upfront.
For the mentally challenged (not what I consider you Dave), that means I think they should have answered completely, and not relied on the fact that the weapon is 'technically' something other than napalm. I dont support that behavior.
So Dave, before you try to denounce the value I put on human life, find one iota of evidence to support your cause. Go read the last Iraq thread and look who cared about human life in that one. While many wanted to jack off Hans Blix real people were being killed and tortured in Iraq. Real people. Innocent people who wanted nothing more than to have a chance at freedom and to choose their own destiny. Not part of a Military whose goal it was to keep in power literally the most evil human on the face of the earth. Where was your empathy for those people?
El Barto must be 15 years old. Seriously. 15 tops. I'm being as generous as I can.
'This Is It' takes the hackneyed lefty approach of denouncing anyone who may disagree as being a lemming or a Limbaugh clone or simply being unable to think independantly. Hating GWB doesnt mean your not a patriot. The point is that the hate GWB left is making itself irrelevent and I love it. Casting GWB as Evil or Hitler only shines a spotlight on how far out of touch they are with reality. It is a recipe for irrelevence.
Here is the math that the anti-war left cannot reconcile:
NO IRAQ WAR = KEEP SADDAM. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 18:39:35
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Originally posted by Dallas
Its outrage for the sake of outrage. The far left has gone batty over its hatred for GWB. The only recourse for this action is to reinstate Saddam Hussein immediately, sure he's evil personified, but, hey it would piss off that fucker in the white house.
That's just rubbish Dallas. It's not outrage for the sake of outrage at all, it is people justifyably criticizing the US's recent actions and lies. People don't naturally hate Bush, they hate him for what he has been doing, and why he is doing it. And nobody in their right mind believes the bullshit that he is telling the world about how Iraq had WMD's. North Korea have WMD, they are far more of a threat than Iraq ever were, so why didn't they bulldoze into Korea, because Iraq was a softer target that would provide a short term and partial (but very distorted) answer to September 11th..... oil and US companies taking the contracts to rebuild Iraq are other forms of mistrust against the US.
Everyone here knows that Saddam was an arsehole, but it's the fact that the US is prepared to overthrow foreign governments at will (and in the past known to replace them with equally as bad dictatorships) which makes them internationally unpopular.
Both yourself and Erebus need to take a critical view of the US and realise that the sun doesn't shine out of it's arse.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 18:53:25
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There is a huge difference between North Korea and Iraq. Sanctions wouldnt work against Iraq because Saddam could always prop himself up with oil money. North Korea has no such resource to prop up the despot. That leaves a much greater chance for success via economic sanctions etc..
We'll see about WMD's in Iraq. But, from the beginning I always supported the liberation of Iraq for humanitarian reasons. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 19:06:37
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its a good thing im too busy moving into college to even get into this
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 19:36:57
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Ditto, miked. I'm gonna side with Switzerland on this debate...
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DaveWahl
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 20:00:38
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are we talking about vietnam?
KNOW YOUR ENEMY |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 20:05:50
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Try 20. And instead of wasting time in another full circle debate like every other debate (I swear there's a script online out there cause every debate has the same lines in it), I figure I'll just get it off my mind and give you both a nice warm "fuck you," cause you need it. Whose line is it who says "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." Truer words have never been spoken. Perhaps I'm too empathetic towards the human race to let this shit just go in one ear or out the other. Perhaps I'm too hopeful that someday we'll remember that behind everything we're all the same fucking species. How can you read shit like this and not be outraged that these are the people who control this fucking country? It's beyond me...I'll never understand it. I wish I had your steel balls so I wouldn't care so fucking much. Good day.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 20:55:42
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Not to piss anyone off, but it seems to me that we are living a life of luxury in that we can sit here and OBJECTIVELY be pissed off about current world events. We are not going out and doing anything about them. I will agree that the U.S. Government does some pretty shitty things, and I'm sure there are things that they do behind our backs that we would be appalled at. I don't think either Dallas or Erebus are assholes or that they are blind "super patriots" of the government. I have noticed that they seem to be some of the most realistic of the people that reply to these topics. The world is not perfect, the government is not perfect, nothing's perfect. But, like it or not, we are able to sit here and be mad about things because of the way our government is. There are many shallow people out there, who don't even know what goes on in other states, much less other countries. They can go all their lives not knowing, and dwelling on their inane little lives, and what kind of car they drive, and what suburb of Orange County or somewhere that they live in, or whatever, and the reason they are able to do this unfortunately is because our government has taken measures -- many morally wrong, I understand that -- to NOT have our country turned into a war zone. I would imagine that you have to do some pretty shady things to be the world superpower. Not that you shouldn't be well-informed, but you can't dwell on these things unless you're in a position to do something about them. Like I said, we can show all the righteous anger we want, but when it comes down to it, the only reason we're able to say things like "fuck George W. Bush" and not fear punishment of some sort is because of the measures -- good and bad -- that our government takes to keep our country safe from invasion. (And, I realize they are not perfect in this either; otherwise 9/11 never would've happened.)
One other thing -- Dave, you were the one who started this topic, and I'm not trying in any way to trivialize your opinions or the fact that you feel that something needs to be done about the current state of the world. Please don't take it that way. I don't know you, and I don't know your life or your actions for the causes you stand for or against.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 21:39:29
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Originally posted by glacial906
I don't think either Dallas or Erebus are assholes or that they are blind "super patriots" of the government. I have noticed that they seem to be some of the most realistic of the people that reply to these topics.
The world is not perfect, the government is not perfect, nothing's perfect. But, like it or not, we are able to sit here and be mad about things because of the way our government is. There are many shallow people out there, who don't even know what goes on in other states, much less other countries. They can go all their lives not knowing, and dwelling on their inane little lives, and what kind of car they drive, and what suburb of Orange County or somewhere that they live in, or whatever, and the reason they are able to do this unfortunately is because our government has taken measures -- many morally wrong, I understand that -- to NOT have our country turned into a war zone. I would imagine that you have to do some pretty shady things to be the world superpower. Not that you shouldn't be well-informed, but you can't dwell on these things unless you're in a position to do something about them. Like I said, we can show all the righteous anger we want, but when it comes down to it, the only reason we're able to say things like "fuck George W. Bush" and not fear punishment of some sort is because of the measures -- good and bad -- that our government takes to keep our country safe from invasion. (And, I realize they are not perfect in this either; otherwise 9/11 never would've happened.)
glacial
I don't think people consider Dallas or Erebus as arseholes, they have an opinion which they are perfectly entitled to, despite how many people agree / disagree with them.
I don't think people (both Americans or Non Americans) rage about America for the sake of it. They have legitimate reasons for doing so and therefore pro Bush / US policy people shouldn't get offended when they do. Unfortunately in recent years there has been a lot of things which the US have done to anger a lot of people, therefore they stand to face alot of criticism.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2003 : 21:51:25
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Hey Glacial - i try very hard to 'walk the talk', and live the way i believe we should, being an outgoing vegan activist and organizer, and generally trying to be a positive, supportive and friendly person.
I agree with you - it's really easy to sit on your ass and talk about this, but there are very few people who really *do* anything. But i also would argue talking about it is better than not thinking about it. At least there is the possibility of some critical thought, and perhaps some of us will ultimately grow from these conversations. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 22:25:47
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Thank you for understanding my point, Dave. I agree with you that is important to talk about things. Maybe through talking about issues someone will get the urge and the motivation (i.e. balls) and end up going out and doing something about the things that bother us. Sad to say I don't possess these traits.
Stuart, I don't know if you were thinking this or not, but I am totally NOT pro-U.S. policy, or pro-Bush. I just am jaded with the state of the world, and the capacity that humankind has to hurt one another in any way, shape or form that they can. I don't have it in me to do atrocious things to other people. I would not make a good soldier. I could not put aside my moral convictions and "just do." But it seems to me that the fact that we have people who "just do" and put all the moral implications on the backburner allow the majority of us to not have to do those kinds of things. On a strictly superficial level, the U.S.' policies just allow me to do the things I am interested in, and indirectly "forget" about what goes on in the rest of the world. I am an aspiring artist. I guarantee you, if bombs were going off outside my house, I would not be sketching my comic books or working on my computer. Maybe I'm not thinking about it as much as I should, but I am just grateful that I can concentrate on my art, and raising my daughter and being a good husband. People don't think about it much, but those things are not guaranteed from birth. People die every day, good people among bad, and many, many people don't get the chance to live up to their full potential. I'm sure there's many of them in Iraq, and Vietnam, and everywhere else there's been wars and people getting killed.
On the other hand, I'm sure that the U.S. does many things it doesn't need to do, and I do agree that it is excessive for the U.S. to use napalm, in any shape or form, which is a horrible weapon no matter who your enemy is. I would never condone such a thing. I know that many of the policies that the U.S. adopts are just for boosting their image; nothing more than bully tactics.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2003 : 23:47:58
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 01:11:05
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quote:
Originally posted by glacial906
Stuart, I don't know if you were thinking this or not, but I am totally NOT pro-U.S. policy, or pro-Bush. I just am jaded with the state of the world, and the capacity that humankind has to hurt one another in any way, shape or form that they can. I don't have it in me to do atrocious things to other people. I would not make a good soldier. I could not put aside my moral convictions and "just do." But it seems to me that the fact that we have people who "just do" and put all the moral implications on the backburner allow the majority of us to not have to do those kinds of things. On a strictly superficial level, the U.S.' policies just allow me to do the things I am interested in, and indirectly "forget" about what goes on in the rest of the world. I am an aspiring artist. I guarantee you, if bombs were going off outside my house, I would not be sketching my comic books or working on my computer. Maybe I'm not thinking about it as much as I should, but I am just grateful that I can concentrate on my art, and raising my daughter and being a good husband. People don't think about it much, but those things are not guaranteed from birth. People die every day, good people among bad, and many, many people don't get the chance to live up to their full potential. I'm sure there's many of them in Iraq, and Vietnam, and everywhere else there's been wars and people getting killed.
On the other hand, I'm sure that the U.S. does many things it doesn't need to do, and I do agree that it is excessive for the U.S. to use napalm, in any shape or form, which is a horrible weapon no matter who your enemy is. I would never condone such a thing. I know that many of the policies that the U.S. adopts are just for boosting their image; nothing more than bully tactics.
glacial
Glacial, I wasn't implying you were pro Bush, that was just a follow on from my first paragraph.
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 01:54:02
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"A lie: terminological inexactitude." -- Winston Churchill
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 06:01:44
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Sorry Stuart.
Quantum nonlocality does not prove that "signals" travel "faster than light." Rather, it shows that at a deep level of reality the speed of light as a limiting factor is irrelevant because phenomena are instantaneously connected regardless of distance. |
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 06:04:41
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Dear brother-and-sisters-in-Frank:
sorry for posting this just taking a quick look to other postings in this topic, I just have found something i knew for sure, qtnhe qualiy and honesty of people that like Franks music.
please for anything on irak you can check
www.irakwar.ru
it web an interactive web said to be run by the russian inteligence, well there are very intersting information,but the best are the comments posted by readers, some are very hard jokes. so be prepared.
well i find also the same thing than here. there are a lot of people in america that deeply disagree
and it makes me keep a hope in america because this people sooner or later will stand against this to remember the world what america is really made of.
well is nice to find a politic topic,
well come on pistoleros and pistoleras lets shoot some neocons, ammo is on me, the rest buy the beers
saludos
david
sevilla
Pd . I am very ashamed that my country, spain is also in it, note the second tanker that loaded stolen iraki crude was for an spanish company.
well also say that if you find postings in that web with the words: ride the tiger on the river euphrates, i will say it was not me, nobody saw me.
saludos
david
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 06:57:56
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Originally posted by Dallas
'This Is It' takes the hackneyed lefty approach of denouncing anyone who may disagree as being a lemming or a Limbaugh clone or simply being unable to think independantly. Hating GWB doesnt mean your not a patriot. The point is that the hate GWB left is making itself irrelevent and I love it. Casting GWB as Evil or Hitler only shines a spotlight on how far out of touch they are with reality. It is a recipe for irrelevence.
Here is the math that the anti-war left cannot reconcile:
NO IRAQ WAR = KEEP SADDAM.
I apologize; insults are inapropriate no matter how veiled they are.
But your response was sort of what I was talking about. You used the word "left" as in leftist or left-wing. But this is precisely my point. People who sound off on political issues often look at the world of politics as if it's this pre-established league where when you decide you want to participate, you join a group. Like I decided one day that I wanted to be involved in politics so I petitioned the "left-wing" for membership. It's as if people want to argue about political issues, but they don't want to do it alone. How else can you explain the fact that there are only 2 major political parties in the U.S.A. and many other countries as well? How can you say "I'm a Republican, but I disagree with the candidates on this issue, and this issue, and this one....." If you disagree on any issue, then how can you support the candidate? Unless the issue isn't that important, but then that's not often the case. And if you do agree with every issue then you're either a robot, a clone of the political candidate, or a witness to an astonishing coincidence.
So I just want to try and clear up my position. By using adjectives for people with political views like liberal, conservative, right wing, leftwing, etc is to imply that political views aren't established by individuals, but rather by groups. Large groups. To appease the group, lowest-common-denominator views are required. This is why the accomplishments of government are minimal at best. People tend be more concerned with what party a candidate belongs to rather than the candidate's individual views on various issues. Why is it so important to have these groups? I can see no useful reason for sorting the political communities into groups. Political views should come from your mind, not some brand name. People buy coffee from Starbucks, not because they like it, but because it's there. It's what they know of. It's easy. They may learn to like it, but convenience is the key. When choosing political affiliations, people do the same thing. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 07:38:51
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I think we can all agree - no matter where we stand on issues - that the world is an ugly place.
Quantum nonlocality does not prove that "signals" travel "faster than light." Rather, it shows that at a deep level of reality the speed of light as a limiting factor is irrelevant because phenomena are instantaneously connected regardless of distance. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 08:56:25
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Originally posted by El Barto
Try 20. And instead of wasting time in another full circle debate like every other debate (I swear there's a script online out there cause every debate has the same lines in it), I figure I'll just get it off my mind and give you both a nice warm "fuck you," cause you need it. Whose line is it who says "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." Truer words have never been spoken. Perhaps I'm too empathetic towards the human race to let this shit just go in one ear or out the other. Perhaps I'm too hopeful that someday we'll remember that behind everything we're all the same fucking species. How can you read shit like this and not be outraged that these are the people who control this fucking country? It's beyond me...I'll never understand it. I wish I had your steel balls so I wouldn't care so fucking much. Good day.
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