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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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 Posted - 08/22/2003 : 09:24:54
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Originally posted by glacial906
I think we can all agree - no matter where we stand on issues - that the world is an ugly place.
I disagree - the world is a beautiful place. It's the people that are ugly. :)
As my old friend, Jerry Seinfeld, always says, "People. They're the worst." |
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 09:45:43
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
quote:
Originally posted by glacial906
I think we can all agree - no matter where we stand on issues - that the world is an ugly place.
I disagree - the world is a beautiful place. It's the people that are ugly. :)
As my old friend, Jerry Seinfeld, always says, "People. They're the worst."
I'd take it a step further. The people are beautiful too, just inexperienced in the ways of cooperation and the ways of letting go of one's ego.
He who can does - he who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw)
The only difference between doctors and lawyers is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too. (Anton Chekhov)
By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. (Socrates) |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 09:46:00
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Originally posted by glacial906
I think we can all agree - no matter where we stand on issues - that the world is an ugly place.
i beg to differ. the world is pretty cool.. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 09:49:04
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| I like that and I think everyone should try to, "let go of one's ego" but I thought Frank told us to hang onto it :) |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:16:11
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| i know you were kidding, but for the sake of anal lyric interpretation, the song is actually about the difficulty and/or impossibility of hanging onto one's ego.. it's like, if you hang onto your ego too much, you'll end up staying in bed for 10 years and eating lots of vegetables. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:21:27
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| sounds like Brian Wilson minus the vegetables. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:23:08
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actually the vegetables (and the 10 years in bed) were in specific reference.
he even wrote a song about them.. called "vegetables" coincidentally.. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:25:42
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| I better brush up on my Frank lyrics hey. |
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floop
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:29:45
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you better send your swimsuit photo soon.. space is running out
(are we getting off topic here?) |
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:33:21
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I saw a bunch of posts about letting go of one's ego. In Eastern philosophy, letting go of one's ego is the only way to become truly aware of your essence. By having an ego, you place yourself above the rest. With an ego you can never truly live the concept of equality because you're placing a divider between yourself and others. In Eastern philosophy you have a connection with everything and to have an ego is to deny your true reality because you're saying that you're different than the rest. Whether you believe in Christianity or the Big Bang or Hinduism or what have you, the truth remains in each that anything comes from everything and everything comes from one.
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floop
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:36:49
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my friend's nephew mis-heard that lyric as "hang onto your eagle"..
which i think is equally poignant.
sometimes i just feel the need to hang onto my eagle. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:37:48
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| That's cool, I always thought that ego is one's false self. It is a coping mechanism to deal with certain situations and therefore stifles and/or it can take over your true self. |
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floop
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Mexico
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 10:39:07
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| or true eagle, if you will |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 12:01:54
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Just to clarify, when I say "the world" as in "the world is an ugly place" I am referring to the generic entity people usually mean when they speak of the world...There are plenty of things I love to do, people I love, places that mean a lot to me...but, in the context of this topic, all of those horrible things that the U.S. and other countries do simply HAS to take a back seat in my mind to those other things in my life. I think we all do alot of pretending in our day to day lives, like if we're happy, then everything's cool everywhere, but that isn't so. It's just that it is important not to dwell on how fucked up a place the world is, otherwise you'd go crazy.
Quantum nonlocality does not prove that "signals" travel "faster than light." Rather, it shows that at a deep level of reality the speed of light as a limiting factor is irrelevant because phenomena are instantaneously connected regardless of distance. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 08/22/2003 : 16:05:11
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OK, "Hang on To Your Ego" was shelved by Mike Love because of the drug references. Yes, drug references. Apparently, as the story goes, when one takes too much acid, they lose their ego.
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/27/2003 : 16:49:30
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Dear friends:
the question is: when you get burned down by napalm
does it also burn your ego?
I think those who like to throw napalm on other people because it smells like victory, are reserving themselves Satans's best one to burn slowly in hell
saludos
david
sevilla
get me to lemouria
and vaya usted con Dios.
I pay the gas but in euros please |
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Stuart
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 06:16:51
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Napalm is fucking disgraceful!
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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This Is It
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 09:48:49
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Originally posted by Stuart
Napalm is fucking disgraceful!
Bacon....... Its not fantastic
where's the line between acceptable, humane means of killing and unacceptable, barbaric killing? Napalm is very disgraceful I agree, but I don't know that I feel better about using bullets or a nice painless gassing or what have you.
And on another note, under what circumstances is military murder acceptable? When defending yr country from attack? What about a retaliatory attack where your country is attacked and later on you decide to give them a taste of their own medicine; is that okay? What about if there's a foreign nation who is invading another country; is it okay then as a third party to intervene and kill the invaders? What if a country's leader has done terrible things in the past but isn't necessarily doing anything terrible at the moment? Can you kill him for his past transgression? What if the leader of your own country is leading a war against the country you've emigrated from? Surely you couldn't allow even the leader of yr own country to murder your hapless relatives living back in the old country. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
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Posted - 08/28/2003 : 14:11:26
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With a bullet, there's a fairly good chance (or at least possibility) you'll die pretty quick.
With napalm you burn and burn and burn, you can't put the flames out.
So you suffer and suffer. And often it's not enough to kill you. Just cripple you.
I don't think any killing is acceptable. But if you're gonna be firing stuff at people, it would be 'more acceptable' to me if it didn't function like a torture device.
And most countries have chosen not to use it. The US, of course, is one of the only acceptions. Like how they're missing on that international treaty on the rights of children. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2003 : 14:14:06
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| And landmines, too, if I'm not mistaken. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 00:40:12
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Aye..i think you're right.
Wowwee..this is posting 1600 for me..am i winning yet?
"Tell the barber that you're sick of looking like an asshole" - Wes Willis 'Cut The Mullet' ('63-'03) |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 01:50:27
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I agree with you Dave.... I don't agree with killing but if it is unavoidable then the less painful method of a bullet is a more humane method. There can be no defence of the use of napalm against people, to me it is in the same league as WMD in term of pain and suffering it causes. What countries other than the US make use of napalm? Ive only heard of the US using it in Vietnam.... and in WW2 against the Japanese (was that what they used in the firebomb attacks on Tokyo, I many need to be corrected?).
In terms of This Is Its questions, they are tough to comment on. To me back in WW2, the allies were perfectly within their right to invade Germany when they started losing their grip on the European invasion plans. Germany had gone on the rampage and attacked various neighbouring countries and therefore prompted an invasion from the allies.... I agree also with the coalition forces coming to Kuwaits defence back in 1991 after Iraq had invaded the country. But I always believe that diplomacy should come first and should be totally exhausted before war is finally declared.
I disagree with the US, and UK's decision to invade Iraq this time around because it is in my eyes for the wrong reasons. Why didn't they do the job back in 1991 when they had the first opportunity. To me a big reason why the US wanted to invade Iraq this time around was to make a statement after Sept 11th. Maybe Iraq harboured terrorists, but if you look at the majority of the terrorists involved in Sept 11th, very few, if any were from Afghanistan and none were from Iraq. They were mostly from Saudi Arabia and Egypt.... so why doesn't the US and Britain do something against those countries. So in answer to that question my opinion is that you shouldn't kill a countries leader for his past transgressions.
But what about the Palestinians and their suicide attacks? How about if someone came and took parts of your country and you were also powerless to defend yourself, how would you react? I know full well that during WW2 there was a contingency plan of suicide attacks against the Germans in the event that GB was successfully invaded by the Germans. Thanks to the US (we wouldn't have been able to defend ourselves had it not been for their aid) that never happened.
So, the British politicians and public label the Palestinians as terrorists when they use suicide attacks against the Israeli forces, but they once planned such tactics themselves in the event of WW2 being a different outcome. Obviously, disgraceful suicide attacks aimed at innocent civilians is outright terrorism, but is it terrorism when you attack an agressive force who are suppressing your right to a good quality of life? Is it terrorism for angry Iraqi's to suicide bomb the current invading forces?
I am not defending suicide bombers in anyway, just trying to understand what constitutes the line between defending your land and terrorism.
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 08/29/2003 : 21:21:17
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Well, i guesss folks used a napalm-like substance several hundred years ago...pouring hot tar on folks scaling their castle walls..?
Other than that, i think it's almost exclusively the US's domain, tho i haven't done any research. |
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 08/30/2003 : 01:32:23
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Dear friends:
have you downloaded the PU version of Western star?
i think the singer must do some gargles with napalm to clear this throat.
well note that the proportion of civilians killerd in a war is getting higher by the day
in middle ages the only civilians killed where the ones caught in a siege, and think what tehy did when the walls fell, now land mines are still killing innocent people, even when they are working the land and they were put 20-30 years ago
who invented bombing to the dark ages?
saludos
david
sevilla
get me to lemouria
and vaya usted con Dios.
I pay the gas but in euros please |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 08/30/2003 : 03:14:45
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Originally posted by astrology
who invented bombing to the dark ages?
Bomber Harris back in WW2 when he flattened Dresden. Weren't Kissinger and Le May also responsible for a ruthless bombing campaign during the Vietnam war period??
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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