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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 08/13/2003 : 10:15:10
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Originally posted by Stuart
Give me some tips Blackpurse....
War....... Its not fantastic
OK, what's worked for me are things they preach at Weight Watchers:
-- Keep a food diary. Write down everything you eat. Once that becomes routine, keep a tally of the nutritional values assigned to that food (in WW it's points, in Atkins its carbs). The simple act of writing it down forces you to consider why you are even eating it. When you gain weight, its usually because you didn't write it down and tried to fool youself. The diary method is the mainstay of pretty much every successful weight control program. Once you get on that, or if you're not losing, write down not only what you eat, but WHY you're eating it. That will stop you from eating stupid food for stupid reasons.
-- Choose a measurable goal (be it pounds, inches, increased performance in the sport of your choice, clothing size), and monitor it weekly. Again, this forces you to be accountable -- numbers don't lie. The key is that it has to be an objective, measurable thing so that you can't fudge it. At the same time, put in your food diary how you FEEL about things -- its helpful to go back and look at days when you stuck to your plan and remember how good you felt about that. Or when you're about to eat a whole pan of lasagna, go to your food diary and remember how shitty you felt when you ate that whole chocolate cake.
-- Set realistic goals. After the first two weeks, more than a pound a week is not realistic. If you're losing more than 2 pounds a week (on the average), something wrong and you'll probably gain it all back. There are no quick ways.
-- Try to join a group, be it online, WW, or TOPS or something. There's something about peer pressure as well as peer support that works. This is why WW works. You can do the points by yourself, but peole who drag their ass into meetings to get weighed and then kvetch about their issues just do better overall.
"Sacred cows make the best burgers!"
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2003 : 11:18:02
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hehe - hey Stuart - traditionally people cook the soup first, then blend it. Sounds good tho! Add some of the local Chinese greens (bok choy, sui choy, etc) for added nutriment. Chinese greens are really high in calcium.
The #1 thing you need to do to lose weight is excercise...go for at least an hour walk every day...work up to running, or get a bike.
#2 is watching where your calories are coming from, fatty animal products should be avoided wherever possible. Try eating foods with lots of fibre, they fill you up and provide less calories. Don't starve yourself either... Eat if you're hungry, but eat nutritional food..
Don't expect to lose a lot of weight right away too.. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2003 : 11:20:33
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Fuck Axel, if you're all Mr. "It's just a joke", change the fucking topic.
Call it, FB Forum members Dish on their Diets.
You're still a dumbass for even starting this topic. You and Leo can take a flying fuck back to whatever godforsaken rank hole of despair you crawled out of.
It was not a joke. It was not an attempt tp lighten things up. All you have done is show what a total waste of natural resources your existence causes. So you can try and change the subject or make excuses. Everytime you post in this thread, there will be a reminder to you that you do in fact suck shit and should think about shutting up. Consider this one of them. |
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cindy lou
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Posted - 08/13/2003 : 21:20:42
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"the fool gives vent to all his anger; but by biding his time, the wise man calms it."
proverbs 29 : 11 |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2003 : 21:42:14
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
hehe - hey Stuart - traditionally people cook the soup first, then blend it. Sounds good tho!
Interesting, you mean they boil the veg until it's soft then blend????
At the moment I am trying out a new plan.
Breakfast: Blend a banana / kiwi / melon to a juice
Lunch: Blend a load of veg and some chicken to a soup
Tea: Tuna sandwich
I'm trying to do this during the week, but obviously weekends are where things slip a little as I usually stagger into McD's to get some junk food to cure a hangover.
It's a bitch. Ive got mates that do no exercise whatsoever, eat McD's every day and are as skinny as a rake.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2003 : 21:53:14
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Do you reckon that if I went veggie for a month I'd lose a noticeable amount of weight (combined with a 45 min run 3 times a week)??
War....... Its not fantastic |
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axel
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Posted - 08/13/2003 : 23:39:05
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| Sure, I got a collegue who lost 10 kg just by eating less shit and doing some exercise. But don't eat veggie for a month. Try to set long-term goals. It's more easy to stop eating animals if you have an ethical problem with it. You might consider that. I myself am a vegeterian though I have forgotten why exactly. Once you have lost that taste of blood, you genuinly don't like it anymore. Listen to those preachy veggies. They're assholes, but it sure does the job. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2003 : 23:59:03
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What would 'noticeable' be for you?
I think adopting a healthy lifestyle will benefit you in countless ways in the long run..
As for people who eat a lot of crap..they've just got the metabolism for it. It'll catch up to them one way or another tho. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 00:31:14
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Originally posted by axel
It's more easy to stop eating animals if you have an ethical problem with it. You might consider that. I myself am a vegeterian though I have forgotten why exactly. Once you have lost that taste of blood, you genuinly don't like it anymore. Listen to those preachy veggies. They're assholes, but it sure does the job.
I would only be ceasing to eat meat for a month to try and lose some weight, not because I have an ethical problem with it. I do like meat, and eat it pretty much with every meal. But if it means that I will shed a few pounds then I'll be prepared to go without it for at least a few weeks.
Noticeable for me is a smaller gut I guess. In the past few weeks people have noticed from my face that I have lost weight, but getting rid of it from your gut is much more difficult.
Oh yeah, this is something that I wanted to know. Is avocado good for you?? Some people say that it is, but others say it contains alot of cholestrol. Recently Ive been making alot of guacamole and using raw veggies to dip into, as a healthier snack, but obviously if avocado is high in cholestrol then maybe this is not a good thing to do everyday.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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blackpurse
= Cult of Ray =
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 05:35:16
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Originally posted by Stuart
[I would only be ceasing to eat meat for a month to try and lose some weight, not because I have an ethical problem with it. I do like meat, and eat it pretty much with every meal. But if it means that I will shed a few pounds then I'll be prepared to go without it for at least a few weeks.
Noticeable for me is a smaller gut I guess. In the past few weeks people have noticed from my face that I have lost weight, but getting rid of it from your gut is much more difficult.
Oh yeah, this is something that I wanted to know. Is avocado good for you?? Some people say that it is, but others say it contains alot of cholestrol. Recently Ive been making alot of guacamole and using raw veggies to dip into, as a healthier snack, but obviously if avocado is high in cholestrol then maybe this is not a good thing to do everyday.
A noticibly "smaller gut" is usually a 20 lb loss. By the rules I've posted, that's a minimum 10 week plan. Before you do any kind of plan, I'm sort of echoing what other people have said -- you need to think through why you want to do this. Losing weight requires much willpower and discipline, and if you don't have a foundation reason for doing so (a "mission statement", if you will), it won't work. You'll blow it off. You'll go to McDonalds with a "what have I got to lose with just one Quarter pounder" attitude.
Also, losing weight means changing habits --habits you picked up and learned over the past 20 years. Oh, you could drop 20 in a month, but that's not long enough to establish in your body better habits, a better metabolism, etc. You will gain them right back. The others are right. You need to choose a method that you're willing to do not just while you lose the weight, but somethign you can modify to maintain that loss and not put it back on. In other words, you have to decide to change your eating/exercise lifestyle. And unless you have a strong motivation, a solid mission statement that you really thought through, nobody's going to change their life.
As for avocado -- it contains potassium (and with my pregnant leg cramps, that's crucial for me!) and in moderation, it's an excellent food packed with lots of vitamins, fat to be sure, but everybody's got to have some fat -- it really does help grease your joints and helps your brain run smooth -- I'm not kidding. One of the things you'll learn on any solid eating plan is that moderation is the key. Fat is not evil in and of itself. Its 80 grams of fat a day that will kill you. Carbs are not evil -- its 200 grams of them a day that leave no room for protein and fiber. Protein is necessary, but you don't need a 12-oz steak to get what you need.
My slant is toward WWatchers, but things like eDiets, TOPS, your own doctor, etc., should be able to help you put together a plan. And don't call it a diet. Diets are temporary, they imply "suffering" and giving up things -- so you either don't stick with it, or when you're "done" you just go back to your crappy old habits and get the weight back. Choose an eating lifestyle that fits your tastes and needs.
"Sacred cows make the best burgers!"
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leokearse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:03:56
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Yeah there's good fats and bad fats - natural fats (even butter and stuff like that) is better for you than margarine, Sunny Delight and processed foods which contain hydrogenated fat, which is basically made using an industrial process and is BAD FOR YOU. Eat fatty fish like mackerel and salmon and olive oil, they're really good for you.
Artificial sweeteners have caused tumours in rats and tartan faeces so they chould be avoided too.
PS SWIMMER I LOVE YOU TOO MAAAANNN!!!!
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:07:41
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
As for people who eat a lot of crap..they've just got the metabolism for it. It'll catch up to them one way or another tho.
Don't say that! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:13:38
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| Seriously though, drink 2 or 3 times more water than you drink now. Water water water, drink more. The majority of north americans are chronically dehydrated which is responsible for a whole host of problems. And when you don't get enough water, your body tends to retain more of it. Its also good for your liver to clean away toxins and your liver also plays a role in regulating metabolism and if its always too busy cleaning toxins...... Most doctors say to drink 8 oz per foot of height per day, but my doc says 16 oz to make up for coffee and any other toxins. That's how that Missy Elliot says she lost so much weight, mostly by drinking a ton of water. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:23:15
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| What are some problems that you can have from being chronically dehydrated? I'm just curious. I've heard that energy levels can be quite low, but... |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:39:31
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Boy, you really are bored today dean.
Right, you'll be chronically fatigued and/or irritable, every cell in your body needs water. And like I said you'll will probably have extra lbs in water retention b/c your body realizes it doesn't get enough water and wants to hang onto what it does have. It can mess with your pulse and blood pressure and even cause DEATH. Puts new meaning to the killer hangover phrase. I don't know what else, its just not good. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:48:47
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| You can't begin to imagine my boredom/sleepiness... mostly I'm hitting my head against the wall with this problem and need to get my head 'out-of-the-box' a little. By Sunday, I should be a zombie. Do the undead get dehydrated? |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 10:54:30
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What do you do anyways? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 11:09:23
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I'm an R&D Electrical Engineer. Meaning someone says to me, "I need something that does this" and I either:
a) Say "Go ask someone who cares" and find a new job or
b) Design electronics, software, hardware, etc that does what they want as fast/quick/small as needed.
Right now I've got a prototype on my desk with a little microcontroller that I'm programming and thus my extremely continuous access to the computer. And everytime I program the thing, it takes a few minutes, meaning it's time for me to check emails/FB.Net. And everyone is happy. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 11:16:50
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| Wow impressive, admittedly I know jack shit about computers, just the programs I use. But I tell ya I'd be happy if you could tell me the way to make my microsoft word stop thinking its smarter than me and correcting stuff that I don't want corrected or my biggest pet peeve which is putting capitals everywhere I don't want them. Arrrrghh. |
Edited by - Carolynanna on 08/14/2003 11:21:44 |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 11:22:48
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| We should just have our own Carolyn & Dean shoot the shit thread hey? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 12:14:40
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| We should... we can call it the C&D Babble Factory. As for Word, you can shut that off, but you lose other functions too. The easiest way is to hit backspace right after it 'auto-corrects' and it'll revert back to what you had. Or erase the last character, depending on the result of a random number generator. :) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 12:16:18
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| Oh, and I assure you that there is nothing all that impressive about the job. But I do enjoy it. Not as much as say, doing in depth financial planning, but baby steps. :) I actually don't know if that's what you do, but I seem to recall it being something along those lines. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 12:21:11
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random number generator?
Sounds familiar, like something I might use in excel but otherwise...
Okay, C&D Babble Factory, that's good. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 12:39:22
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Sorry, that was just a joke. Sometimes the backspace works like I said and sometimes it actually acts as a backspace is what I meant.
Since you are the new queen of irreverence (with floop as king), I shall allow you to start this thread. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 12:42:23
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what are ya chicken?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 12:43:24
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| I came up with the title, it's time for YOU to do some work... |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2003 : 13:10:10
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| OK, feel free to resume discussion of dietary stuff with your host, Stuart (Gilligan Griffin?). |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 12:18:41
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Cheers for the info, Black Purse et al. Ive been trying to get onto the forum all day but when Ive been writing in the http address it has been coming up with dead links. I thought that maybe it had something to do with the blackouts in canada and the us, but then I thought that this is what the internet is for, to cope with such blackouts (in the unfortunate event of a nuclear war)
I'm gooing to bed.... I'm very drunk and in need of sleep.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 12:37:01
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| It WAS for that purpose back in the day, but now not so much. All the civilian servers and everything are as vulnerable as your TV. The architecture is still decentralized, so even losing all the routers on the eastern seaboard (which thankfully didn't happen) you'd still be able to connect to the computer you want to if it's still running (through the west coast or South America) but that computer has to be running. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 13:09:52
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| That Atkins diet is all about eating both carbs and protein but just separating them, ie only eating one or the other at a time. I read that it has to do with protein taking longer for your stomach to process than carbs. And then your stomach doesn't separate them so the carbs will stay in there as long as the meat/protein does. And then it was something like when the carbs stay in there too long they end up breaking down into glucose and yeast or something like that. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 18:00:01
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
Seriously though, drink 2 or 3 times more water than you drink now. Water water water, drink more.
Ive heard though that if you drink too much water then it is bad as it lowers the sodium levels in your body, which can kill you.
War....... Its not fantastic |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2003 : 19:30:48
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heh..yeah, about 30L in a day. =)
(That's an arbitrary #, i dunno how much it is exactly..)
As for eating meat just for a few months - Carolyn's right - you gottta KEEP doing whatever it is you're gonna do to keep the weight off. Anyone can lose 20lbs - but most of them gain it back when they go back to eating crap. You're about 95% likely to do this.
Avocado is GREAT, tho you'll wanna limit your intake a bit if you're trying to lose weight. It's a million times better than its weight in butter, but it has NO cholesterol, and the saturated fats that are in it are actually good for you (much like coconut). You don't want to eat more than one a day tho...it does pack a lot of calories. (Which is why you find it tasty. ;) |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2003 : 00:35:33
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Thats good news cos I make a mean guacomole.
Bacon....... Its not fantastic |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2003 : 13:28:36
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Whaddya put in it?
If there's no lemons, disregard my question. |
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Anna Liszt
- FB Fan -
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/17/2003 : 15:37:35
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My yelley, what a man...
In my opinion, Axel is just great.
Can you Americans never grow up? I mean: where were you when the lights went out?
Axel's only problem is the vegetarian thing... If he would know the meaning of real meat...
Always available,
Anna...
Be reasonable... do it my way (John Cordier) |
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