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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
 Posted - 11/05/2002 : 10:37:29
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Cult of Ray was the pinnacle of Frank's solo career. He now has the influence of a steady bunch of guys behind him to help get him along. The Cult of Ray show was probably the best Frank Black show I have seen. It happened at the Opera House in Toronto and it absolutely rocked! The place was packed and Frank did not stop. I can't even remember him saying a word between songs, and I can't remember a song that he didn't play. Cult of Ray is for the eclectic and under nourished mind....we always need something different and strange.....If you wanted to get somewhere and it took a long time to get there....would you want to come back here?
I didn't think so!
Strummer-man
I had me a vision! |
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2002 : 18:13:19
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"I find Frank's lyrics on this not very...let's just say it doesn't seem like Frank put alot of thought into them than his previous 2 works. I think the artwork kind of reflects it.
For me there is a few classic songs but the rest is mostly forgettable tunes."
"Nevertheless i still think it's a good album."
i really don't understand your thought process. you say the album is mostly forgettable with bad lyrics, but overall it's a good album?
typical of the idiots on here, however. worship anything the man does, good or bad.
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2002 : 19:05:07
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| Frank Black fans = idiots. Haha! |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2002 : 20:28:05
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Well, man, I was wondering about this same topic.
For the life of me, I have NEVER been able to get into this album. NOw, I am not saying I hate it, I mean, it's got some good stuff, and maybe the poster who said they had waited so long after TOTY to have THIS come out might have hit the nail on the head. Comparatively it lacks. I even gave it the obligatory multiple listens and even gave it a few years between listens.
And also the person who mentioned the artwork had something going there. Perhaps the cheapness and the utter juvenile design aesthetics gave me a bad opinion of it before I even heard it. It always seemed like no thought went into it at all (however, as a songwriter, I KNOW that not to be true. Even shitty songs take a lot of thought and sometimes they are shitty because you thought too much).
I see this album as the Ugly, lanky, not comfortable in it's body teenager to FB&TC young adult. It seems like they were on the track to what they now are, but weren't quite there yet by half.
It's funny, though, that at the same time I write this, I am wanting to hear it again and am remembering most of the songs in a good way. Maybe that's because, as they say, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe knowing what the end product (FB&TC) is, I would be more open to what they had to do to get there.
I can tell you one thing though....I don't HARDLY listen to the pixies as much as I used to. FB&TC is way better. This sounds like the start of another topic.
This is where I belong.
"Winter blows through my coat"
the what four http://www.mp3.com/phelan |
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2002 : 23:16:57
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MIRV drives a cab and stares at black/white checkers all day, or so I am guessing, based on how he apparently sees everything. Frank's worst is better than most's best. So you best watch out for the Plasma Blast, and, if necessary a Funky Bomb, followed closely by a big ol' Death's Head!
"Make no mistake; Ricky Lake's eatin' mad steaks off your bad breaks."
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CoolMint
- FB Fan -
40 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 01:52:49
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I like this record, the guitars kick ass.
Don't fret the troll nonsense here.
The net is filled with punch-drunk losers whining and moaning, just a reflection and projection of themselves.
Funny stuff.
The GOP you ask me?
Trailer park Dickensian miscreants, retro-twisted denizens of evolutionīs back waters and cul-de-sacs.
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 11:59:33
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i think an accurate description of people on the internet who are like yourself is "morons". people like yourself feel that sites like this are the artist's "holy ground", where no criticism or negative commentary on their beloved artist is allowed.
i say fuck that. frank black has a lot of sub-par material, so when i'm asked about it i'll say whatever the fuck i please.
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holzgrafe
- FB Fan -
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 13:28:58
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| Although I violate my own advice with this suggestion, the best approach with such as mirv is to ignore him. He suffers from a perversely low opinion of himself, and thereby generalizes inappropriately to a low opinion of the rest of us. And when we drop to anywhere near his level, he takes that as confirmation that we are as low as he is. When you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and the pig likes it. - Mel |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 14:14:09
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Very nicely put Mel.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision! |
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 15:30:01
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I hope I haven't been putting across the wrong vibe with MIRV. I am actually trying to defend some of his words. He's not a troll. That's just lame name-calling type stuff. He's obviously familiar with Frank's material and has strong negative opinions. And it sadly appears that on this board we tend toward being little Frank bitches more than "fair" critics of his music.
I do happen to disagree with most of MIRV's opinions, but I won't belittle his honesty with the canned "you're just a dumb troll" response. It just doesn't fit.
My view on Frank is that within his catalog he's got a lot of variation from amazing to abyssmal, but his standard is just so much higher that, when compared to music at-large, it is still great. Like in BLD there are a few pretty dull moments, but it's mostly beautiful. But even its dull moments make for good music.
My rip on MIRV above was in response to his own idiotic declaration:
"i really don't understand your thought process. you say the album is mostly forgettable with bad lyrics, but overall it's a good album?"
Um, yes. That is possible. And you are misrepresenting what was said. He was comparing the CoR lyrics with past lyrics, and said it contains some classics. Then he said "NEVERTHELESS" it's a good album. So he qualified his comment, saying that despite its relative shortcomings, it is still a good album. Completely logical and a poor example to try and attack as "typical of the idiots" on this board.
"Make no mistake; Ricky Lake's eatin' mad steaks off your bad breaks."
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 17:06:10
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fair enough.
at least someone here can speak rationally. and yes, you are all a bunch of frank bitches.
hahah. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2002 : 17:32:19
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| MIRV, if you would kindly refrain from verbally abusing users on this board, I and the rest of the users would very much appreciate it. Thank you. |
Edited by - El Barto on 11/06/2002 17:37:50 |
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2002 : 10:53:11
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i haven't verbally abused anybody. in fact, most of my "abuse" was in response to negative comments coming from others when i gave my opinion on some of frank black's musick.
anyways, if people can't handle a little argument/discussion on an anonymous internet bullboard, then something is wrong with this world. |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2002 : 16:23:50
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| i don't know if the bonus cd counts, but i've always loved village of the sun and baby that's art. the album is ok, some great songs (cult of ray, men in black and kicked in the taco), the rest is below his usual standards (i think). |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2002 : 19:29:43
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Wow..our first fight!
Okay boys, time for make-up sex. =) |
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CoolMint
- FB Fan -
40 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2002 : 21:41:01
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Originally posted by MIRV
i haven't verbally abused anybody. in fact, most of my "abuse" was in response to negative comments coming from others when i gave my opinion on some of frank black's musick.
anyways, if people can't handle a little argument/discussion on an anonymous internet bullboard, then something is wrong with this world.
Intellegent discussion is one thing.
frank bitches?
How about lame, and jaded numbskulls with an opedial complex.
This thing we call the internet glorifies shoe-gazing forgettable losers.
Let the glorification of the queen named NIRV begin.
By the way, wanna talk about lame bands, MIRV was one of them.
Just a redneck version of KISS.
Bwaaahaaaaaaa.
The GOP you ask me?
Trailer park Dickensian miscreants, retro-twisted denizens of evolutionīs back waters and cul-de-sacs.
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2002 : 23:06:20
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actually, moron, if you had read my post it was basically paraphrasing what dietzel had to say, which was:
"And it sadly appears that on this board we tend toward being little Frank bitches more than "fair" critics of his music."
and so it goes....
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2002 : 02:07:59
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| If you read all of this topic MIRV, you will find that there are quite a lot of negative opinions expressed (unlike some of the others!). Cult of Ray is in my view his worst work, and Dance War is as bad as he gets - others have similar views. I like the fact that others on the forum rate COR so highly: quot homines, tot sententiae |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2002 : 13:55:42
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Ask the man himself. Someone yelled out "Dance War" during a break at the Tuesday night show in T.O. Frank's reply to this was 'Huh, I don't know what I was smokin' when I wrote that song!'....but hey, one man's garbage is another man's favourite song off of an album. By the way people....sticks and stones and misconceptions!
Strummer-man
I had me a vision! |
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MIRV
- FB Fan -
178 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2002 : 18:03:13
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hahahaah...i remember that! i was at that show!
i think that was opening night, wasn't it? tuesday?
cult of ray isn't that great, but it does have some good songs. hell of a lot better than BLD. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2002 : 23:11:22
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| Aw come on..the chorus is pretty catchy.. |
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
907 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2002 : 11:38:37
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It was the Tuesday night. Scott (a.k.a. Harris) started to play the drums for the song. Actually during the past couple of tours, I have been surprised that they play 'Kicked in the Taco' with such consistency. It wouldn't be my first (and sometimes only) pick from the album.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision! |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
275 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2002 : 11:50:19
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| I would LOVE to hear DANCE WAR in concert. I admit that lyrically it is not Frank's best, but it rocks hard, and it kinde' reminds me of goofy Leonard Cohen, you know 'Jazz Police' type of stuff |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2002 : 14:32:46
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| I heard it live once. It reeked live - almost as much as it does on CD |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2002 : 23:42:04
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re: the double CD version of CoR.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=921103979
i knew i had seen this in person before, i thought about buying it, but i never did. i imagine it's pretty rare, that's the only one on eBay.
actually, CoR is the only FB CD i don't have. i've put it off because -- well basically i've always read things like this thread in regards to it. i will get it at some point, but only when i can't think of enough other CDs to fill my budget. |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 01:50:26
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| At the risk of sounding like a complete hypocrite -go get it! There are some good tracks on it |
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Solidgld
- FB Fan -
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 02:59:24
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I'll do my list You Ain't Me, The Marsist always Kicked in the Taco. Every song really. You have to listen to it as if you never heard it before try it again. I have some singles from that time and some of the songs were really good like "you never heard about me" , "Pray a little faster", Better Things" and the "Village of the Sun". I know right know all I can lisen to is Black Letter Days and Devil's Workshop so I'm sure everyone else is stuck on them but, open you mind and you maybe able to see this vision I mean his Men in black was out way before Will Smith's.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 08:26:36
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Originally posted by Solidgld
I mean his Men in black was out way before Will Smith's.
But about 16 years after The Stranglers. :o)
-Brian |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 09:35:42
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Yay - another Stranglers fan!!!
I was gonna ask this - anyone know if Frank has ever mentioned The Stranglers?? |
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holzgrafe
- FB Fan -
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 09:40:30
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
actually, CoR is the only FB CD i don't have. i've put it off because -- well basically i've always read things like this thread in regards to it. i will get it at some point, but only when i can't think of enough other CDs to fill my budget.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen it for less than $8, as is also the case for TOTY and FB epon. Always makes me cringe when I see classics at a discount while fresh garbage sells for $17.99. Guess it's not that unusual, but knowing that fails to console, somehow - Mel |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 09:56:00
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i dont see what everyones problem is with dance war, its quite catchy and "rockin" as someone said. its better than fields of marigold atleast
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Solidgld
- FB Fan -
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 11:46:22
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| Fields rocks you suck |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 13:33:24
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
Yay - another Stranglers fan!!!
I was gonna ask this - anyone know if Frank has ever mentioned The Stranglers??
He did in an old interview. He talked about some of the tapes he was listening to when travelling across the US. I remember he spoke of the Stranglers because I loved them when I was at school - saw them c6 times. The Stranglers' Meninblack album was crap though! |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 14:17:49
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| I was watching Ace Ventura 2 the other night and the song 'Secret Agent Man' has the exact same opening guitar riff as You Aint Me. Im sure its just a big coincidence but it is quite possibly the most similar riff I've ever heard, without it being the same song. If anyone has it give it a listen. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2002 : 14:24:40
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haha thats weird, also the progression in you aint me is so common, there are tons of songs that use it. Of course frank makes it his own with his awesome melody.
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