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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
 Posted - 06/17/2003 : 14:16:16
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The artists whose artwork isn't chosen are free to do with it as they wish, though it sort of eliminates the point of choosing an 'official' one if everyone just downloads their own preference. Still, I don't really see any problem from an end user point of view if there were two alternates available.
I'd actually like to have the art team email me with their opinions on the matter as it sort of diminishes what they've done a little bit, and I'll let them decide collectively. It's pretty much a three-way tie right now, so this is the best time to decide whether they want to have secondary unofficial copies or not. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 15:12:48
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| If there should ever come a point where this sees any type of physical release, it may be a good idea to have a cover decided on, by the voting public. Having alternate artwork is fine, people can download whatever they like. People can make their own artwork if the choose so, but it doesn't hurt to have one that is agreed to be the "one". |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 15:20:48
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| Yeah, we definitely need an official one, I'm not questioning that. |
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brentman
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 15:25:52
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| I think all three artists did a great job, but I'm gonna hafta vote for 'Robot'. I dig it's retro-ness. |
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molin
- FB Fan -
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 17:35:16
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| Good work, I choose AdamWest's design. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 20:50:56
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Why don't we make all three available on the FTP and let the downloaders choose which one they want to print out?
www.mp3.com/clootie |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2003 : 22:25:01
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| Again, we will be picking an official one for use if anything ever were to happen with the disc or if someone wanted a picture of it for something official, etc. I leave it to the artists to decide whether they would like to do this, since it sort of undermines the whole idea of having your art chosen and putting the effort in if all of them are available. But from what I'm hearing, they don't seem to have a problem with it so we'll probably have all the art available, much like the way that the tracks are already being done for the CD. |
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faskner
- FB Fan -
Brazil
75 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 07:09:39
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| floop, my idea was to have a bald head that was not frank's, to play with the "you ain't me" thing. that's way too complicated for me to explain in english, sorry. i hope you got what i meant. |
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pdrbopp
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2003 : 07:33:55
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hmmm...
i'd also like to know what's the idea behind the robots concept, colorful and catchy...
i also think that the third one is too religious. it looks good, but too religious...
faskner's will be my vote.
i like the way the image was croped and the idea of using someone else's head is great so it conects to the name of the cd.
pedro bopp. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
649 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 07:57:04
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Excellent. All three designs are done, in, and up, and if I may so, all looking great. Three absolutely different takes on a cover for the design, I couldn't be more please.
Let the comments and voting begin!
I think in their own way, they're all well done.
The one with the rosary does look a lot like a contemporary Christina rock cover, but whatever. It's classy.
Is that actually Frank's hand, or was that staged for the purpose of the cover?
I dig the robot design because it actually reminds me of some of the computer art-heavy covers of Frank's own albums like Cult of Ray and the Catholics' debut. Plus, a lot of intriguing conceptual thought went into it.
The B/W one with the bald head is extremely clever, and reminds me of the look of Oddballs or Black Letter Days as opposed to the Foo Fighters thing. unfortunately, for me, it's almost too clever. It winds up seeming a little slight (please don't take offense!).
I could see it functioning better as an inside panel of the folder, or better yet, the flipside of the tray card, hidden underneath the CD in a clear jewel case (even though it doesn't stylistically match with the other two designs).
I feel strongly that the subtitle of the album should definitely be credited to frank Black only and not automatically The Catholics. It's meant as a tribute to his songwriting skills, regardless of who he's played with the most over the past several years. No one in any of his bands or studio projects will feel slighted by this. They'll rightly be appreciative that someone dug something they were involved in enough to put this out.
In the credits, we could even have a one sentence thank you to all the musicians and bandmembers who have worked with Frank throughout his solo career to help him create the body of work we're celebrating.
So, with all that said - my vote is for The Robot Cover.
Runner-up would be The Rosary Cover.
No Catholics in the title, Bald Head under the disc.
"This is exciting isn't it?" - Hank Kingsley
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
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Retch
- FB Fan -
Ireland
64 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 08:37:06
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The one with the rosary does look a lot like a contemporary Christina rock cover, but whatever. It's classy.
Is that actually Frank's hand, or was that staged for the purpose of the cover?
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Hmm...
first off, no, its not actually Frank's hand, I did a fairly quick photo shoot with a friend a few props, and a digital camera...
I seem to have given the wrong impression as far as the christian rock thing goes. The artwork is actually supposed to evoke the feeling of something that "cheesily" takes itself seriously. It was designed with back cover in mind, and that reveals a more humourous side to the concept.
The presence of religion simply relates to "the catholics",
Franks own references to religion,
and how highly regarded Frank is by his fans....us.
This ain't no holiday. |
Edited by - Retch on 06/18/2003 09:00:59 |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 09:09:52
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For the record, I like the satirical relation of us (the rabid fans) to Frank being compared to the relationship of extremely religious people to god, and think that probably justifies all this religious imagery that everyone is worried about, with or without the Catholics in the title, though I do love that ampersand. The man said it himself, "You hate my features, and you make me for a god."
Also, I don't think that the bald head looks anything like the Fu-fighters album, and pdrbopp, if you look on page 1, AdamWest gives a description of the motivation of the robots but also suggests that you should make your own interpretations.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 09:34:09
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| You should make the cover of bald guys, no dis to Frank intended, I think it would be hysterically ironic. When I went to see FB I have never seen so many slightly big bald guys. He's like their hero, Frank is to these guys as what Rod Jeremy is to all the icky guys of the world. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 09:41:41
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| "make me for a God"? "fu-fighters"? you need some sleep my friend... and a drummer who can actually play the drums..... |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 09:41:59
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"Rod" Jeremy, huh?
i guess Ron Jeremy wouldn't mind such a nickname. It's definitely applicable. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 09:44:34
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| I guess that's about how much porn I watch, Alex. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 09:49:12
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| Oh and no offense to any guys who happen to be as icky as Ron. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 10:12:08
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OK, so I may need sleep, and it's possible I misspelled foo fighters, and sweet maria would I like to have a drummer that can... you know... drum, but what's wrong with the 'make me for a god?' line?
... and none taken, Carolynanna. :) |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 10:23:20
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| It's "you NAME me for a god" you fantastic bastard. And for you to imply that YOU are "as icky as" Ron Jeremy... sheesh... poor Ron..... |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 10:49:07
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| So I'm probably more tired than even I realize. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 11:58:31
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I vote for the Robot cover! I do like all three, and the more i look at it, the less faskner's looks like the foo fighters cover. Maybe it's just the whole black and white/back of neck thing that makes me see similarities. I do think it's cool having a shaved head that is not frank black's head. I also don't think the rosary cover looks too much like a Christian contemporary cover. I don't think there are actually that many crosses like that on Christian albums. That's more of a catholic thing and I don't see it fitting with that sytle of cheesy, fluffy, Christian contemporary music.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 13:13:31
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Okay, this has got to be really confusing for poor Dean!!
I vote for the AdamWest 'Robot' cover. Love it! Great work man! Maybe we can extend that theme to the rest of FB.net? (hint hint, nudge nudge)
Great work on all three tho, thanks!!! |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 13:42:41
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| I undubiously vote for the work of Retch. This may sound crazy, but I enjoy the font that the letters are printed in; it looks elegant and sophisticated. In addition, the fact that it says "A tribute to" makes it more elegant in my opinion. Also, the photograph is very simple, which is good for the title "You Ain't Me" seeing as though I thought that Frank Black has created some very complicated and elaborate music as an artist. I don't mind that it says Frank Black & the Catholics either. Actually, if it said Frank Black, that might be interpreted to mean that it was only a tribute to Frank Black's music without the Catholics. It doesn't sound write to say "A Tribute to Frank Black and Frank Black and the Catholics". I think that the cover should include the "& the Catholics" at the end. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 14:39:39
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| I do like the look of the "& the Catholics". |
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salvo
- FB Fan -
USA
8 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 14:41:49
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i vote robots.
eleven high...ride a wave.
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AdamWest
- FB Fan -
20 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 15:15:35
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To be catholics or not to be the catholics...
No matter which cover is chosen...I think it should say Frank Black and not Frank Black and the Catholics. Because if you say "And the Catholics" it's a bit misleading because one would think it would only be a tribute to the songs done WITH the Catholics. It's not a matter of being fair or unfair to the members of the Catholics...it's a matter of being clear that this tribute includes stuff before the Catholics.
Since it's actually a tribute of all of Frank Black's post-Pixies music it makes more sense to simply call it that. By saying "Frank Black" you include his solo music AND his stuff with the Catholics. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 16:08:39
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| yeah, I agree with AdamWest. Just "Frank Black" will encapsulate both his non-Catholics music and his Catholics music. Its the best way to go. Whereas, the other way around could cause some confusion. |
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ingersoll
- FB Fan -
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 16:42:42
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i like the second one, by Faskner, the best.
before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. that way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11674 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 16:48:21
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Well, since I don't want this thread to get sidetracked with debate on whether "& the Catholics" implies exclusively the post-solo material or whether omitting it is a slight to the Catholics, and since it seems that the vast majority, myself included, think it would be better for it to be "A Frank Black Tribute", I suppose we'll lose the "& the Catholics". That said, I do really like the way that it looks (the "& the Catholics") on Retch's cover and I think that the cover is every bit as relevant with or without "& the Catholics" written on it. Much more satirical.
Just wanted to make it clear that removing the "& the Catholics" from the title does not mean that Retch's art is out of the running. |
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paintmeister
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 18:12:45
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I guess public opinion could count for something. But in my most humble opinion, it seems to me that the ones who contributed their musical talents and everyone else that had some influence on the development of this album should be the ones that vote for the cover that they want. The rest of us (which includes me) should just watch the results roll in and give our opinions.
My opinion? Thought you'd never ask.
I think "the Catholics" should be dropped also for the same reason that everybody else has stated. Just make sure that "the Catholics" are mentioned in the credits somewhere as not to offend.
"Guess I'm just a little stupid" |
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askar
- FB Fan -
Sweden
4 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 19:43:20
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| none, try again |
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grmcmahon
- FB Fan -
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 20:50:48
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| I go for the third one. Hell, if they are called 'the Catholics', they might as well look the part....Frank Rules...saw him last November in Boston....and I think the Catholics are the only players that can keep up with him.... |
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Dooalot
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/18/2003 : 21:09:25
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| Why not put pictures of the jolly fat man himself on the cover? Put a huge drawing of his face in the center and put a bunch of small full-bodied frank black's all over the cover looking towards the center. Just a thought... |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1072 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 21:49:17
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| I think Id have to vote for Faskner's. Though I appreciate the other two, I think Retch's comes across a little too strong on the Catholic link. I understand the sort of tongue in cheek of it all but when I look at it, it makes me think of two things. I remember walking down the street and this guy trying to sell me these cd's...i asked what cd's they were, what band or what genre...it took him a wee while to answer but he said "well, basically, it's Bible Rock" Im not too sure what Bible Rock is(!), but I dunno when I see that cover it springs to mind. Also, for some reason it reminds me of Father Ted. Just imagine the title to say "Father Ted does Elvis" or something like that. Sorry, I hate to sound as if im ripping at your art, Im not at all and theres no way i could do half as good but it's just what came into my mind when i saw it. I think I'd vote for Faskner's because of it's simplicity but that's just my taste. |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1615 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2003 : 22:47:37
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So confuse everyone and call it:
You Ain't Me,
A Tribute to Charles Michael Kitteridge Thompson IV
Thomas
"Our love is rice and beans and horses lard" |
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