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Pioneer
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 Posted - 07/01/2003 : 19:38:59
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| Hey, he looks kinda old. I always thought a little hair looked better than no hair at all. |
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 11:44:53
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Just out of curiosity:
Is this even a good quality rip? Some of the songs sound really hissy/crackly. If that's a result of the method Frank and the gang used to record the album, then fine; if it's a result of a bad rip, however, then maybe we should hold off on downloading until we get a more crystal clear version.
Specifically, "New House of the Pope" sounds very hissy. "Everything is New" sounds crackly. I haven't finished downloading past "Pope" yet, so I don't know if these problems show up on any of the other songs.
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 13:05:57
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| I haven't found that the songs sounds hissy or crackly. Perhaps you weren't listenting to the mp3s of the album, but rather some old lady singing the songs from the album. I could see that being hissy and crackly. |
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Mike Rutherford
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 13:09:59
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| The rip sounds fine to me. I haven't noticed any hissing or cracking at all. |
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the swimmer
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1602 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 14:48:01
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Originally posted by Mike Rutherford
The rip sounds fine to me. I haven't noticed any hissing or cracking at all.
I was suprised at the superior quality and big sound of the MP3s.
Maybe you got a bad rip, like someone would have after a chili eating contest. |
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2003 : 22:52:07
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Originally posted by Mike Rutherford
The rip sounds fine to me. I haven't noticed any hissing or cracking at all.
I just downloaded "Horrible Day", and the distortion is very apparent during the opening guitar chords.
Maybe there's more than one rip going around out there now...
What was the original file name when you downloaded the songs? What was the bitrate?
The versions I've been downloading have been 192 kbps; I've gotten them of SoulSeek.
It sounds like these were recorded off vinyl...
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Edited by - Apesy on 07/02/2003 23:04:38 |
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Mike Rutherford
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 09:33:31
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Originally posted by Apesy
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Originally posted by Mike Rutherford
The rip sounds fine to me. I haven't noticed any hissing or cracking at all.
I just downloaded "Horrible Day", and the distortion is very apparent during the opening guitar chords.
Maybe there's more than one rip going around out there now...
What was the original file name when you downloaded the songs? What was the bitrate?
The versions I've been downloading have been 192 kbps; I've gotten them of SoulSeek.
It sounds like these were recorded off vinyl...
-=Apesy
The rip I got is from CD and sounds perfect. They are 192 bit rate as well. I notice absolutely no problems whatsoever with the sound on any of the tracks. |
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 16:51:54
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Originally posted by Mike Rutherford
The rip I got is from CD and sounds perfect. They are 192 bit rate as well. I notice absolutely no problems whatsoever with the sound on any of the tracks.
Ahhh! This is driving me mad. I've downloaded as many copies of each track as I can find off of SoulSeek, and they all sound distorted and muddy. Maybe there's a problem with my sound card or something...
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 17:16:48
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Okay.
For some reason, Winamp is giving me really terrible playback quality for these files. I just ran them in Windows Media Player, and the distortion was completely gone. This is a beautiful rip, indeed!
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2003 : 21:42:51
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| Strange, I'd expect it to be the other way around... down with WiMP. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 09:08:57
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I dunno, i just encoded it straight from the CD and it sounds fine to me. =P
The copy that's floating around right now is sounding pretty rough, the CD definitely sounds a lot better. |
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Apesy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2003 : 14:41:34
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I dunno, i just encoded it straight from the CD and it sounds fine to me. =P
The copy that's floating around right now is sounding pretty rough, the CD definitely sounds a lot better.
Crud! I knew something was wrong!
I guess, being so blown away from this rough copy, that the CD version will suitably give me a heart attack.
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ygerard
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
10 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2003 : 02:41:23
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Hello everybody,
I see that a lot of people have downlaoded the new FB&C record. Where did u get i from ???
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sarah spinart
- FB Fan -
77 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2003 : 07:36:33
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Originally posted by ygerard
Hello everybody,
I see that a lot of people have downlaoded the new FB&C record. Where did u get i from ???
Yvan
they sold their souls. and now they'll never be able to get into the quik-e-mart again. |
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stephensolo
- FB Fan -
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2003 : 07:42:26
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| ahhh .. just wait for someone else to go in and follow them! |
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echo park
- FB Fan -
Saint Barthelemy
128 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2003 : 04:47:11
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Swimmer, that TRUMPET was a fine British feller named Andy Diagram, and he was blowing right next to us in the backing vocal mic. Must've kept Engineer Ben on his toes.
Andy was playing straight up that night but he is also a master at ambient loop-composing and layering of his more mellow trumpet stylings. He does this with guitarist Keith Moline in a duo called The Pale Boys. Keith plays the arpeggiated 6/8 Fender guitar that you hear prominently in the verses of Manitoba.
Those boys had lost all sense of time and sleep having flown from England to L.A. to do the David Thomas Disastodrome show, which was a lot of spontaneous improvised work for three days. Then the last night they found themselves doing a night session with Our Hero and they were real troopers - doing the live 2-track approach until done, looking real bleary by 2 AM! I'm pretty sure when they arrived a few days before they had no idea they would be at the session. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2003 : 08:08:25
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Originally posted by sarah spinart
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Originally posted by ygerard
Hello everybody,
I see that a lot of people have downlaoded the new FB&C record. Where did u get i from ???
Yvan
they sold their souls. and now they'll never be able to get into the quik-e-mart again.
Wow, good music taste, FB fan, AND references to the Simpsons in context. Someday... :)
Next thing I know, you'll be talking Mario 3 vs. Mario 4. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2003 : 08:52:21
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this thread is a great illustration of the old saw,.. opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and they all stink (or they're all full of shit, if you prefer.)
i seem to recall frank saying before that he hates online music sharing, so i will respect his wishes and wait until it is released. |
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sarah spinart
- FB Fan -
77 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2003 : 20:30:18
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
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Originally posted by sarah spinart
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Originally posted by ygerard
Hello everybody,
I see that a lot of people have downlaoded the new FB&C record. Where did u get i from ???
Yvan
they sold their souls. and now they'll never be able to get into the quik-e-mart again.
Wow, good music taste, FB fan, AND references to the Simpsons in context. Someday... :)
Next thing I know, you'll be talking Mario 3 vs. Mario 4.
as far as i'm concerned, nothing after mario 1 was worth playing. except for supermarioland on game boy, that shit rocked! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2003 : 20:58:12
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Well, I never did get to the Gameboy, but come on, Raccoon Mario? Yeah, he may have had a cold heart of stone, but it came in handy. And turning into a frog, and miniature land. And what about Mario 64? Back when that first came out it blew me away. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize they were ALL awesome, even the somewhat panned 2. So there.
PS You may have cast the final stone in me moving to New York. :) |
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scollin
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
1 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2003 : 16:40:26
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I hope this gets to Glasgow soon, cause I'm just burstin' tae hear it, by the way.
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ingersoll
- FB Fan -
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2003 : 19:00:02
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Well, I never did get to the Gameboy, but come on, Raccoon Mario? Yeah, he may have had a cold heart of stone, but it came in handy. And turning into a frog, and miniature land. And what about Mario 64? Back when that first came out it blew me away. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize they were ALL awesome, even the somewhat panned 2. So there.
PS You may have cast the final stone in me moving to New York. :)
i really didnt like two. it wasnt even a mario game, just some shitty game nintendo slapped with the mario characters in time for the holiday season. the GBA remake was ok though, if only because toad's voice makes me laugh so hard i piss my pants. but they changed the princess's hair to blonde. she looked better as a brunette.
Divine: "Kill everyone now! Condone first-degree murder! Advocate cannibalism! Eat shit! Flith is my politics, filth is my life! Take whatever you like!" |
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
64 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2003 : 19:18:54
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| I commented the recording quality of SMYT in this topic http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2151. I, like some of the people above, found a lot of distortion in the sound. And I, like a lot of people, have been listening to the 192 Kbps mp3īs. But I think we all will have to wait for the real release before we can really say where it comes from. I donīt think the people involved with the actual recording (Stan Ridgway, Ben Mumphrey?) would allow the signals to distort. |
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robotblood
- FB Fan -
24 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2003 : 22:53:44
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i really feel bad for frank. the ongoing discussion and deconstruction of the new record would be fine if it wasn't coming out another six weeks from now. i certainly do not support the RIAA witchhunt, but still.. something doesn't seem right that i was able to download this record with ease and listen to it at least 10 times over the past 2 weeks. by september 9th, despite all of the "superfans" who claim they will go out and buy multiple copies of this record, many fans simply will not. why spend $16 when a home-burned cd made from downloaded mp3 files will suffice? this most certainly affects frank's bottom line.
does anybody know why spinart was so loose with promotional copies so far ahead of the release date? |
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axel
- FB Fan -
Belgium
101 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2003 : 23:50:30
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Well, just don't download it. It takes a lot of strenght and character, God knows. It kinda feels like a month-long foreplay. You want to get to the real stuff, but the anticipation is kinda nice too.
What really bugs me is that, when the cd finally will come out, I will have to wait about a month more before it hits the stores in Belgium. This time I'm getting a visa and have it shipped!! |
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sarah spinart
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/01/2003 : 22:29:19
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Originally posted by robotblood
does anybody know why spinart was so loose with promotional copies so far ahead of the release date?
it only takes one dude to rip an album and put it on the internet. it wouldn't really matter how many we sent out, the same thing would happen.
as for the "why", you have to give major publications (like rolling stone, spin, etc.) at least a few months leadtime if you want them to review a record.
all issues of money and being able to make a living and supporting the music you love aside, it makes me kind of sad just in the sense that i feel like september 9th should be the day that all the world hears this and gets collectively blown away by how awesome this record is, all at once, in a single soundwave of love and harmony and frank black. and it kind of sucks that it never works like that anymore. |
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stephensolo
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/02/2003 : 13:44:37
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While i see your point sarah, i think it is slanted in favor of spinart. i am a musician myself and understand artists are in a tenuous situation right now. but the system is broken - and it needs to be re-thought. for too long record companies have given excuses as to why they dont simply release a cd as soon as they can - advertising being chief among those reasons. the fact is artists want their music out asap, as do the fans. who drags out the process? - the record company. yes, there are a lot of logistics involved in getting a record ready, but in a capitalist business model, the company doesn't get to dictate the terms of customer activity.
A. the people want the music as soon as it is done
B. the tecnology exists to deliver it to them -
what does a company do with this information - if they are smart, they say
C - let's give it to them faster than anyone else.
but what are record companies saying: No, we will keep the macinery WE want in place and YOU, the customer will live with it. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. so i say to all those music lovers, as a musician, download until your hard-drives crash - because it's the only way to make the record companies listen. don't be fooled! they want you to feel guilty for being an INFORMED consumer. We're all fans the musicians; we will buy the record gladly if you only let us!!!!
sorry to rant at spinart, a cool company and certainly not a major label. - but any record companies who continue to use an outdated business model deserve what they get - piracy. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 08/02/2003 : 14:51:58
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This is weird. Record companies hold the records for months before releasing them, because they want to piss off the consumers? I missed your pôint, stephensolo.
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stephensolo
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/02/2003 : 15:12:35
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| not to piss off consumers. their reasons are numerous and all at one time valid. getting the distribution channels set, getting the mags to do reviews, setting up interviews, but above all to pump it up and build your anticipation for a release that fits into their overall scheme - for their convienience. record companies have always operated in set blocks of time - they paln releases way in advance - they are very rigid about these things, even when an album is downloaded by millions of people - they are loathe to change. it's not a conspiracy denis, it's just bad business - read my last post again. the system of record company practices isn't evil - just outdated. meet the customers needs or go extinct. the big record companies in this coutry are desperate to stop the flow of time and technology - because they know they can no longer control the channels of distribution with file sharing. |
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chickenwithtwoheads
= Cult of Ray =
Netherlands
391 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 03:40:03
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My computer is a macintosh, so I can't work with Kazaa or Soulseeker.
Any fans out there who have the new album available on Limewire or Snak? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 07:30:03
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| Ugh... LimeWire? I forget the name of the software that my mac friends use, but I'll let you know when I find out. Don't think it's snak either... |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 07:32:45
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Originally posted by ingersoll
i really didnt like two. it wasnt even a mario game, just some shitty game nintendo slapped with the mario characters in time for the holiday season. the GBA remake was ok though, if only because toad's voice makes me laugh so hard i piss my pants. but they changed the princess's hair to blonde. she looked better as a brunette.
Brunette to blonde?! Blasphemy. You are correct that 2 wasn't a Mario game at all until it was slapped on top at the end, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it. Not as much as 1,3,4,or 64, though. If I had to pick my favourite, it'd probably be 3 or 64. I never had an SNES, so I missed out on World, but... |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 07:44:30
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Originally posted by stephensolo
While i see your point sarah, i think it is slanted in favor of spinart. i am a musician myself and understand artists are in a tenuous situation right now. but the system is broken - and it needs to be re-thought. for too long record companies have given excuses as to why they dont simply release a cd as soon as they can - advertising being chief among those reasons. the fact is artists want their music out asap, as do the fans. who drags out the process? - the record company. yes, there are a lot of logistics involved in getting a record ready, but in a capitalist business model, the company doesn't get to dictate the terms of customer activity.
A. the people want the music as soon as it is done
B. the tecnology exists to deliver it to them -
what does a company do with this information - if they are smart, they say
C - let's give it to them faster than anyone else.
but what are record companies saying: No, we will keep the macinery WE want in place and YOU, the customer will live with it. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. so i say to all those music lovers, as a musician, download until your hard-drives crash - because it's the only way to make the record companies listen. don't be fooled! they want you to feel guilty for being an INFORMED consumer. We're all fans the musicians; we will buy the record gladly if you only let us!!!!
sorry to rant at spinart, a cool company and certainly not a major label. - but any record companies who continue to use an outdated business model deserve what they get - piracy.
Not that this is necessarily a defense, but in many industries, such as gaming, for example, media are given advance (and sometimes incomplete/beta) copies of the product to review so that they are ready for it when it comes out. The objective of the label is to get records out there from an artist standpoint (and of course, as a business, their objective is profit as with any other business - it is possible to make money and do so morally). So, if that's the case, then certainly getting reviewed in media and any sort of publicity that can be generated is a good thing for the artist AND the label. Both want to make money. And I bet we wouldn't have had a double album last year and another this year if FB had to work 40 hours a week to support his hobby.
Yes, it is an old system, but there is little that can be done as far as a lead time goes. You put an album out and it doesn't get reviewed or covered for several months, and it's old news by the time it is released and flops. I don't think that even as FANS we would be so selfish as to want that.
That said, you are correct that labels and artists need to find new ways of doing things because whether the RIAA likes it or not, and even with their new behind-the-scenes republican pulling strings down south, the fact is that the internet is going to revolutionize the industry and that the labels that work with it are the ones that will survive. I think that having a representative on a board like this is a good, albeit small, step in the right direction, although the major concern is distribution. Anyway...
Whew. That turned out much longer than intended. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 16:20:14
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Q gave it 2/5...
Bar snacks at the ready. Ex-Pixie goes pub rock.
Porky rocker Frank Black may have built a heavyweight reputation as a visionary songwriter with the Pixies in the late '80s, but his solo work has always infuriated, Frustratingly, his ninth solo album suffers from the same faults as previous efforts: limp tunes, pompous guitar solos and an overwhelming sense of "Will this do?" More worryingly is his tendency to veer into barroom rock. At best as on Horrible Day and Jaina Blues, his pub blues resemble a downbeat Huey Lewis; at worst (My Favourite Kiss), Black's jaunty guitar riffs sound alarmingly like Dire Straits. How Kim Deal must be laughing.
- Matt Allen
What do you lot have to say to that then...!? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2003 : 22:32:01
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| I feel gross even having read it... |
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