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Perhaps
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 Posted - 05/02/2003 : 14:42:19
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| Wallflowers released an album titled "Red letter Days"? Any ideas (or facts) about the dreadfully similar-sounding and close release dates of these album? |
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marcusb
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 16:30:57
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| Red Letter Day is a common phrase.. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 23:14:07
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| I love Frank...but I recently got to thinking about the title "Black Letter Days" I mean, Red Letter Days is a common phrase..so he titles his album "Black Letter Days" and his name is frank black..does that strike anyone as a bit..er..lame? For the record, he writes about how a black letter day is an ordinary day while a red letter day is a holiday, so I don't think he was going for kitch value, but anyhow. |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 03:31:33
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| does that mean that 'old black dawning' is lame aswell? |
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marcusb
= Cult of Ray =
USA
308 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 05:40:12
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| Well when your last name is Black you'll have that. Now if I released an album called Brannon Letter Days.. yeah, thats lame. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 09:26:16
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| No, it doesn't mean "Old Black Dawning" is lame, but if it came from a popular phrase like "Old Yellow Dawning" and he switched it to black, then it would be, ha. It's like how "Good Will Hunting" is about a guy named "Will Hunting". Ozzy does it a lot, throws his name in the title of an album "Ozzmosis"? "Blizzard of Ozz" but he gets away with it because his mind is shot. |
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 09:30:22
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I understand the phrase is common. Don't really believe in randomness.
FB and E. Costello backed a Wallflowers album. I was thinking perhaps this -or some other- incident somehow spoke to some bit of information out there in the world about the similarity. Though, I suppose it is just as well if there are not too many avid Wallflower listeners/followers on the forum.
BLD is definitely not lame. As you say, it has more to do with having to "chip away" in the day-to-day ground, not anything to do with "this is my name, and look what it does to this phrase". I would imagine more of that is going on with Black Rider - but more to the effect that there is a song out there that was made for the persona created by the man.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 11:25:05
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| BLD is laden with a "Black" theme. Frank Black, Black Letter Days, the Black Rider, shit even the color of the cover. It is definitely intentional...I see it as a kind of artistic move. I don't find it lame though, albeit a little blatant. |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 11:28:19
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you guys are missing the whole point of the title
its not him inserting his name in
its talking about the days that aren't red letter days, the boring, normal days, the "black" letter days (a red letter day is a holiday or a similar event marked on a calender by red type instead of black)
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 11:29:29
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Frank uses other colors in song titles as well. I'll Be Blue, True Blue, and Big Red. Maybe he should change his name to Frank Blue
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 12:11:34
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Originally posted by Perhaps
I understand the phrase is common. Don't really believe in randomness.
God doesn't roll dice? |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 13:28:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Broken Face
you guys are missing the whole point of the title
its not him inserting his name in
its talking about the days that aren't red letter days, the boring, normal days, the "black" letter days (a red letter day is a holiday or a similar event marked on a calender by red type instead of black)
-brian
Completely agree, Brian. I quite like the title. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 14:23:24
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| I'm not saying that he put "black" in the title as a tribute to his name. I read the interview where he explains the title of the album...I'm just pointing out that it fits into a grander theme as well. |
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faceforaudio
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 16:41:09
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i dont know how to do a quote thing but
quote from darwin:God doesn't roll dice?
i agree but found it funny too, that your name is DARWIN and you are talking about God and all...haha its the little things in life
ps. i think ALL of his titles are good
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 16:51:23
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| i think frank's next album should be called back in black. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 16:51:29
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| sheesh, ha, say one slightly negative thing about the man and you're under fire. For the record I was slightly drunk when I posted that so maybe I wasn't clear. I always liked the title, and totally dug the idea of it and the theme for the whole record...it just struck me one day that it could have a lame connatation to it. I know that Frank didn't just title if Black Letter Days to be witty, he had his reasons. Even if his name wasn't Frank Black, the album would probably still be called Black Letter Days, one day I just read it a different way, which happens to me a lot (I remember for the longest time, I thought REM's "Out of Time" was this enigmatic title meaning somehow existing outside of time..till one day I realized that it's also this expression "oops, I ran out of time" and it made the title suddenly seem lame and ordinary. I've since forgotten that realization and gone back to thinking of it the other way (even if i'm probably wrong). |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 21:26:09
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Originally posted by faceforaudio
i dont know how to do a quote thing but
quote from darwin:God doesn't roll dice?
i agree but found it funny too, that your name is DARWIN and you are talking about God and all...haha its the little things in life
It's an old debate particularly in physics of whether the world is random or deterministic (if you knew all of the variables) to which Einstein is quoted to have said "God does not play dice". It wasn't a declaration of me believing in god. It was response to you saying you don't believe in random events. Oh, never mind. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2003 : 03:15:21
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black clouds roll through my mind
the Men In Black
ain't somthin' you wanna' fuck wit' bitch
"Snooch to the muthaf**kin Nooch" |
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/04/2003 : 07:19:26
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The debate is prior physcics. But, your point is a good one. Particularly to the, err..topic...which I suppose is not compelling or interesting. Not all too familiar with Einstein (in text), but his response seems very similar to many men pre-1600 (Mallenbranche, Leibniz...) To wit, the Wallflowers "response" seems very similar to those (particularly FB) before them (particularly - J. Dylan). No takers...
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faceforaudio
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/04/2003 : 08:35:08
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| Are you referring to predestination? I believe in God but not predestination. But I just found it funny that a Darwin(the evolution guy's name is Darwin) was debating God. I think I was high when I wrote that though... |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/04/2003 : 09:20:18
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Perhaps - sorry, no, you're getting it wrong. Einstein's point was NOT about predestination, it was about determination. We may live in an undetermined but predestined world, if God plays dice but cheats.
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faceforaudio
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Posted - 05/04/2003 : 10:43:00
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| oh how clever omer *applauds*. no predestination but divine intervention and maybe determination... |
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -
133 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 06:39:40
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discussions of free will can continue via email, no?
My final attempt, a bit more clearly
NO NEWS ON J. DYLAN - FB RED/BLACK LETTER DAYS?
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 07:49:19
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probably coincidence
-brian |
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faceforaudio
- FB Fan -
40 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 15:00:44
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| im thinking coincidence. the 2 artists are both great, but seem to be non related b/c they are so different. i doubt either one knew about the other or cared. |
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -
133 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 15:24:21
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| though FB back an entire Wallflowers album... |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
275 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2003 : 06:09:05
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| faceforaudio - I'm sticking to my point, though :-)... Predestination and Determination have very little to do with each other. Just because God plays with dices, it does not mean he doesn't know what the outcome will be. It just means that we won't. |
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Jerk on Perks
- FB Fan -
Canada
28 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2003 : 16:14:51
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| It is not as lame as "some went back, they couldn't face the black." I am sorry, I love Frank Black but it is a little lame. Shit, I need to start saying some good things soon or I am going to come off all wrong. |
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killmocker
- FB Fan -
Japan
41 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2003 : 22:00:10
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Heres another coincidence besides the one with the Wallflowers. The group Buffalo Tom had an album 'Big Red Letter Day', released in '93. What's more, the 'hit' single was entitled 'Sodajerk,' which immediately reminds me of the lyrics in Franks' song 'Ten percenter.' That was from his self-titled album, which if my memory serves me correct was released around the same time. Another thing is that all the members of Buffalo Tom met when they were going to U-Mass.
Holy coincidence. |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2003 : 05:49:11
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I'll tell you all what's sad - members of a Frank Black forum chosing a Frank Black related username to post under. HAHAHA. Loser fanboys!
Just kidding, I love you all :)
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killmocker
- FB Fan -
Japan
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Posted - 06/04/2003 : 11:52:20
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Yeah, I agree Sheamus. Not to sound too mean but, where's all the originality?
Hi I'm Ten Percenter,this is my pal Mr.Grieves and you must be...Brackish Boy? Oh did you see Robert Onions' post the other day? Well I thought it was a lot like Sir Rockaby's.....etc. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2003 : 14:25:24
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| Sheamus was kidding, dude. There is nothing to agree with! |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2003 : 19:12:20
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I still think i have the best name....AND MOST OF YOU OUT THERE KNOW IT!...thinking, "why didnt i think of that? it's so simple, yet so profound." i'll tell you why you didnt think of it, because....YOU AINT ME! <<<<< another name i considered.
...and evolving from the sea, would not be too much time for me, to walk beside you in the sun.... |
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killmocker
- FB Fan -
Japan
41 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2003 : 13:21:32
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Originally posted by PsychicTwin
Sheamus was kidding, dude. There is nothing to agree with!
Sheamus still meant what he said I think but added the 'just kidding' so everyone wouldn't be pissed off at him. Anyway no matter what he thinks, I still believe there are so many uncreative screen names out
there and it's pretty cheesy. Of course you would be an exception PsychicTwin. Yers is an awesome one.
*(see the other forum topic on best screen names)
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2003 : 07:45:29
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Yeah, it does seem a little lame, in a commical way. I mean, we already know you really like Frank Black - you're posting a Frank Black forum. You don't need to scream it out any more than that :)
It isn't ultimately an issue that I care about though and I don't feel any animosity towards people because of it. It's just something that I find rather amusing. |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/06/2003 : 08:21:29
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| Oh crap, Killmocker, that's like the dumbest subject for an internet flam war I've ever heard about. Go burn crosses near Ozzy Osborne's house or something. |
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