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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
 Posted - 04/04/2003 : 07:40:18
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no, its about 86 minutes - i find the best break point to make two semi-equal CDs is between Jane, the Queen of Love and Gouge Away
-brian
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Marbonn
- FB Fan -
5 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 07:42:52
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| Thanks for sharing this info. I got it, only took about 15 minutes to download. RussT, the whole show except 2 songs fit on an 80 minute cd, thats all I had around. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 07:52:40
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Credit cards
schmredit cards
my dad got ripped off for like 700 euro's...
(we found out yesterday)
some asshole has his credit card thingies (from the internet that's for sure) and boy does he like to spend money of somebody else.
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 07:59:14
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Originally posted by spunXtain
all of you guys that are having problems with download should email the site they have a support address ... it is support@hearitagain.net .. i'd say they'll fix everything up for you.
I'm having the same problem Bohemoth is, with a 55K modem. My connection is not the best so I get kicked off and then have to start over from scratch with the zip file download. At least with individual mp3s the download will start up where it left off.
I have sent an email to them and await a response. If I have to download the entire 80mb file at one go, I'll never get it. Already wasted too much time on it. If they can't come up with a workaround, Frank should know about it. |
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CoolMint
- FB Fan -
40 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 11:20:13
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My 2 cents.
I guess I'm spoiled having a quick connection, 'cause the more I think about this, the shittier it becomes.
This deal should include a CD delivered to us.
A cd of wav. files, not MP3's.
That way everyone wins, Frank gets more cash, the site in question gets business.
It's a GREAT idea, but bandwidth problems will just create a bootleg market for these concerts.
It's a pain in the ass to d/l this thing on dial-up, and you KNOW that these people are going to get this show one way or another, despite all the pleading to keep this show close to the vest.
But, if you could just order it, and have a CD in your hands it would cut down on that.
Just an opinion aimed at the people that run that site, not at anyone here.
I still think the idea is GREAT!!!!!!!
But the delivery system could be tweaked in a way that helps everyone involved.
The GOP you ask me?
Trailer park Dickensian miscreants, retro-twisted denizens of evolutionīs back waters and cul-de-sacs.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 12:07:53
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| Can you pay with cash on paypal or is it just credit cards and checks because the only way I'll be able to get this is with cash. |
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thedude
- FB Fan -
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:19:53
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Since a soundboard recording of Friday night is available, do you think there is a copy of Saturday night's show out there? I was at both and was really hoping to get my hands on a copy of Saturday nights show.
The way Frank started the show along with songs like End of Miles, Heloise and Men In Black really made the second show edge out the Friday show. |
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:44:57
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
I'm assuming none of the $$ goes to FB. Who does it go to?
Dave,
We're partners with Frank Black. All above board.
Mike
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:49:43
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Originally posted by Broken Face
i wish they included sir rockaby and new house of the pope - i'm still debating whether to purchase it or not...
-brian
Brian,
We had some technical issues with those two tracks, however, you can expect them to be on some upcoming recordings we're doing on the west coast in a couple of weeks.
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:51:04
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Originally posted by big_galoof
i assume it's a soundboard recording, broken face?
BG,
Soundboard mixed with room mics.
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:54:20
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Don't put it on the FTP site.
I mean I would love to have it and I don't have the money.
But I know HearItAgain.net gives Frank a really good deal of the money.'
Bill,
Thanks for that. Contact me and I'll work something out with you ;)
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:56:03
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Originally posted by marcusb
What compression is used?
MP3 at 160. We'll be experimenting with Shorten soon.
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 13:57:51
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Originally posted by spunXtain
Can you post a set list please?
Set list is posted on site...samples coming soon (though you already know the quality is very good).
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:10:29
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Originally posted by oddball
I am in the process of downloading this show and it appears my download is stuck at 41,5 MB. Has anybody gotten this in full length and if I cancel my download can I re-download it or is it a one shot deal? Man, this is frustrating. Thanks for your help in advance.
Odd,
Just email me if you continue to have problems.
FYI to everyone: we're considering offering downloads in smaller chunks.
Thanks for all the input.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:14:51
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:20:06
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Originally posted by oddball
Thanks man, I am trying it again now. Did your download take a really long time? I have DSL and it is taking hours.
With DSL @ 38kbs (what I'm seeing) it takes 40 minutes.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:35:58
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Originally posted by beergeek
Be careful though -- it looks like to me that if you pay with credit card directly on the hearitagain.net site that it's not secure.
Fixed...will be secure by Saturday afternoon. Thanks for the heads up.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:41:32
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
hmm..thanks for all the info.
I still don't really agree with this system..$12 for an MP3 bootleg is a rip-off, sorry. I'd be supportive if it were $2-$5 tho.
Not having a secure/encrypted server is pretty lame too.
Glad some of the $$ is going to Frank at least.
Dave,
Let's not refer to it as a bootleg (though I know where you're coming from--took me a few days to drop the term).
As for the price, consider that you're getting a unique, industry-revolutionizing recording....and it's 90 minutes of music!
Finally, I posted earlier about the secure server--we flipped the switch.....will be fully secure within 24.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:47:21
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Originally posted by Robert Onion
A true story: a year ago i burned a recent Frank Black concert for my friend. From that concert recording he went out and bought a few of his albums. So maybe this concert would convert people onto his music...
I've been preaching that to the music industry since '97 (started promoting music online in '93!). I've come at this project from a fan's perspective always with the artist's interests at heart. The old ways of the music industry are leaving us and companies like mine are ready to step up and become the new 'music' companies...true partners with artists.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:53:29
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Originally posted by vilainde
Buy it, folks. There's no difference between this show and a regular release except for the format. I agree mp3s usually don't have a very good sound, and $12 is a bit expensive, but don't upload it anywhere.
I guarantee the sound quality won't disappoint (hmmmmm.....maybe I should offer a money-back guarantee if you're not satisfied with the sound quality after purchasing and downloading??........Dave--how many people are in this forum? Offering a MBG is one way to encourage purchases....I'm open to any other suggestions regarding the promotion of this particular show; feel free to e-mail me at mike@cnotes.com)
I'm digging this bb.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 14:56:18
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Originally posted by RussT
Forgive me in advance - this question might highlight my ignorance on this matter - but can the entire concert fit onto a CD?
No...2.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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spunXtain
= Cult of Ray =
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 15:25:41
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Samples are up now everybody, i listened to them they are very good. I am gonna buy the show.
I'm lost and I am lonesome to the core... |
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big_galoof
= Cult of Ray =
USA
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 15:25:44
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mike,
glad to hear that you'll be "experimenting with shorten". us broadband users (and inveterate music snobs) are eternally grateful.
and - thanks for the info on the recording. i assume you use DAT as your recording medium? may i ask what kind of mics?
TBG
visit the big galoof's frank black trade list here:
http://www.mediablazedesign.com/tl/tradelist.htm |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2003 : 20:13:50
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Hey Mike, thanks for participating here, that's really decent of you.
What encoder, codec and setting are the MP3's at? I'd suggest at least 192kb as well, and using the Fraun codec.
Of course, this isn't a bootleg, literally, but i don't think you'll dispute that most recorded shows are considered 'bootlegs'..a better term would be useful, since 'bootleg' is illegal.
There's over 900 people in the Forum, and well over 100 visit it daily.
What's MBG?
I'm not really concerned about turning a profit here, but i would like to see the show sold for at least half as much. Considering your 'overhead' is virtually nothing, there's a pretty hefty profit margin (assuming you make sales.)
Also, $12US is around $18CAN, and that's the price of a new CD here..pretty steep.
Again, thanks for being a part of the group, i think that's really admirable, and i apologize for the initial hostility. (I don't mean this as an excuse, but generally people who have something to sell just post and then bugger off, i'm glad you didn't do this.) |
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
USA
246 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 07:38:56
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| This pretty Much Sucks It Should Be a Download 1 song at a time thing. I E-mailed them When I couldn't Get it Downloaded In 13 Hours with my 24,000 conection speed and my computer will not stay connected that long. so they gave me another password and more Time I Would Have to Start from scratch every time it cuts off. Then eventually it says my time to download it has expired again. I really want to hear this show but I don't have my whole life to try and download it. Would anybody hook me up with a Burt Copy? I did Pay for it just can't get it Downloaded. |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 07:59:52
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It kinda sucks that this show doesnt have the new new songs, like house of the pope and such. if it did i would buy it in a second.
-miked |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 09:53:02
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miked, it has manitoba, horrible day, nadine, and massif centrale. at that show, new house of the pope was played but for some reason isn't on it. 4 new songs isn't too bad at all
-brian
as breathing flows my mind secedes... |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 10:19:09
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yah but i already have manitoba, horrible day, and nadine. thats why i said new new songs. hes playing 3 or 4 new ones to this tour, like the snake, and hills of france or something. im still considering buying it, but not sure yet. Im curious as to how much money frank actually makes off this.
-miked |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 10:51:51
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| Dave, isn't LAME considered the best encoder over Fraun? Or am I mistaken? I rip all my CDs to 192Kbs when I want them on my harddrive. I know that the groups out there that rip CDs and make them available on the net rip at 192Kbps. |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 11:05:27
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i think the version of nadine on here is great. also, hills of central france IS massif centrale - its really good. i don't know if i'd buy another show though - i guess i'd have to wait and see the setlist.
-brian
as breathing flows my mind secedes... |
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1140 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 11:43:37
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Originally posted by El Barto
Dave, isn't LAME considered the best encoder over Fraun? Or am I mistaken? I rip all my CDs to 192Kbs when I want them on my harddrive. I know that the groups out there that rip CDs and make them available on the net rip at 192Kbps.
i use lame, it works well (quickly), honestly i doubt id be able to tell the difference at 192kbps between the two codecs.
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d3niz3n
- FB Fan -
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 12:54:15
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cnotes,
I am ready to purchase this show, only I am still waiting for a secure connection to use my cc. any chance this will be ready to go any time soon? |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 15:47:57
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Hey Jim and Mike -- Fraun is the best, hands down. It's a professional, researched and designed codec.
At 192 it gets harder to tell the difference between saw LAME and Fraun, but at 128kb it's painfully obvious, and 160 quite a dif.
I accidently encoded some songs of mine for MP3.com (128kb) and i was wondering why they sounded like shit, and i realized i hadn't used the Fraun codec. (LAME instead, *thinking* LAME was as good..d'oh.)
At 256+, it's a lot more difficult to tell encodings apart, and i can't tell Fraun from the original WAV.
I think that needs to be added to the FAQ, i keep repeating myself..haha.. |
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 22:05:51
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Originally posted by El Barto
MP3s at 160? Ouch, they should be 192.
We're discussing that.
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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cnotes
- FB Fan -
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2003 : 22:08:39
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Originally posted by big_galoof
and - thanks for the info on the recording. i assume you use DAT as your recording medium? may i ask what kind of mics?
Yes, DAT. For this show we used Shure SM81s
Mike Corso
HearItAgain.net
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