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Romanoff
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 Posted - 03/22/2003 : 00:39:53
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| i might be wrong and i will be happy to aknowledge the fact but.... are the iraqi happy that we are "liberating" them or are they scared? if some foreign soldiers rolled up in my area of inhabitants with tanks and guns and massive weapons i am pretty damn sure i would do what they said. where the iraqis tearing down saddam murals in joy or because they feel as if they have to? feel free to tell me like it is. this whole thing is too much |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2003 : 09:11:46
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| You know, it's hard to say. I'd like to hear from a somewhat unbiased news source about that. Of course, if you turn on CNN, MSNBC, etc., they'll all be like "Oooh the Iraqi soldiers are loving our troops, tearing down pictures of Saddam and celebrating." Then again, I'd be more than happy to tear down pictures of Bush any day. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2003 : 09:21:01
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I doubt they're 'happy' that we're blowing their cities to pieces. Same with the people who are being blown to pieces. Hard to smile and cheer when half your body is in tattered remains, and the other half burried in rubble.
I don't disagree that Saddam stepping down would be a good thing, what i disagree with is the senseless violence that is being used to do this, and how this is completely ineffective (as it was in Afghanistan..hi Osama.)
It is unlikely they will kill Saddam. They will take over Iraq, no doubt about that. There never was.
This is senseless overkill. Shame on the US and the UK military powers for doing this. |
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2003 : 09:54:03
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Originally posted by Erebus
If you want to read about the lies in "Bowling for Columbine", visit this link http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
That's a great link Erebus. I would call that conclusive proof that Moore is up to no good.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2003 : 13:22:40
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Did people see Mr. Moore on the Oscars? I thought all he had to say was excellent and I heard the people who were booing were his own friends and family. He wanted them to do that to express a difference of opinion which as Americans, he said, is the whole point. Whether it is true or not, it's interesting to think about. Thoughts?
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theonecontender
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
565 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 15:27:49
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 21:29:23
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| You're right 1c, some of his stuff could be classified as 'fictitious'. It doesn't take away from what he said last nite tho. |
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Stuart
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China
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Posted - 03/24/2003 : 23:57:24
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Ive been watching the unfolding news on CCTV (Central China Television) and so far I have not really seen much evidence of Iraqis jumping for joy when confronted by the coalition forces. Maybe being here we have more of a chance to see the Iraqi side of the conflict..... is CNN showing the Iraqi press conferences at all??? Watching the news over here certainly makes you feel more anger towards the coalition forces...... but then again the Chinese media is controlled by the government, so who knows what is right. Afterall, the Chinese government did claim that nobody was killed during the Tiannanmen Square demonstrations of 1989.
People here are pretty pissed with the US and Britain, and I am constantly being told by people that my country is a war mongerer..... In fact, myself and alot of my western colleagues have been informed to be careful in the next few weeks, and to maybe not go out so much to the bars as there are chances of people getting attacked due to peoples anger as a result of the Iraqi conflict. Myself, I think this is bullshit. However, I know for certain though that Beijing wasn't such a safe place to be when the US attacked the Chinese embassy in Belgrade..... some Americans and Canadians recieved shoeings from the Chinese over the issue..... they still haven't forgot that incident.
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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 03:43:44
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irawis arent jumping for joy because we admittedly dicked them over in the last war. this time we have to prove ourselves first, which we will do
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 03:45:32
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theres a funny bill hicks quote -
how do you know they have WOMD?
well... we have the receipt. once the cheque clears we are going in!
cheers
There may be no 'I' in team, but there's a 'ME' if you look hard enough. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 04:59:02
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Originally posted by Stuart
some Americans and Canadians recieved shoeings from the Chinese over the issue..... they still haven't forgot that incident.
why on earth would Canadians receive shoeings too? don't the chinese know that Canadians are, essentially, perfect. or at least as close as the human races has come up to this point to being perfect.
the rest of the world seems to know this..
when traveling abroad, if you're Canadian, all you have to do is sew a little Canada flag on your backpack and then when people see that they roll out the red carpet.. i've literally seen Parisians spit at American tourists and then seconds later, spot a Canadian tourist and literally (not figuratively) roll out a small red carptet for them to walk on into their cafe.. i always thought "the red carpet" was a figure of speech. not in Paris.
indeed, being Canadian abroad is essentially equal to being royalty. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 06:21:51
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The problem here is that if you are white then you are assumed to be from the US. My girlfriend knows someone in Beijing, who got into an ugly incident on the day that the US bombed the Chinese embassy. This guy was in a taxi on his way home when a group of Chinese guys made the taxi driver stop and kick the Canadian guy out of the car. The guys then attacked the Canadian guy, who luckily was able to deliver a beating to the guys shitless before he told them that he wasn't from the US.
I'd agree with you though floop that you know when you meet a Canadian because 1) they either have an I'm a Canadian t shirt, or before they introduce their name they tell you that they are Canadian.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2003 : 07:55:26
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Using the Chinese media as a source to accuse other countries of atrocities is laughable if it weren't so sad. Sure they lie all the time, but, they wouldn't lie about this would they??
BTW, the Iraqi's ARE jumping for joy. read this article from a former peacenick who actually talked to people while he went to Iraq:
A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present.
Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality."
Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists.
"Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2003 : 09:36:14
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2003 : 10:22:15
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| I'm glad you asked Dave. It was Arnaud de Borchgrave, UPI's Editor at Large. Not a political hack or a government sourced report. |
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 20:57:25
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| I'd like to know what the people that are against the war think is suddenly going to change about inspecting weapon facilities without any military action. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 03/26/2003 : 08:32:38
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Originally posted by Dallas
Using the Chinese media as a source to accuse other countries of atrocities is laughable if it weren't so sad.
Dallas, when have I once used the Chinese media as a source to accuse other countries of atrocities..... I just merely stated that watching the Chinese propoganda makes you feel angry towards the coalition forces, which is what propoganda is all about. If you read carefully I also mentionned that the Chinese media are controlled by the government, so therefore the credibility of the news is to be questionned.
you should get facts straightened mate before launching into an unnecessary tyrade.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2003 : 09:03:39
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| Chip - it's good to confirm there's at least *some* reason for military action..if you're gonna have military action.. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2003 : 15:55:14
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stuart, this is what I was reacting to (I dont view the quote you pulled from my post as a tirade, but, to each his own):
"Ive been watching the unfolding news on CCTV (Central China Television) and so far I have not really seen much evidence of Iraqis jumping for joy when confronted by the coalition forces. Maybe being here we have more of a chance to see the Iraqi side of the conflict..... "
So, it sounded to me like you were taking CCTV as a good source for an even handed report since they are giving you a chance to "see the Iraqi side of the conflict..."
I would disagree with that point and say that CCTV is providing an outlet for an oppressive regime to provide misinformation to the world and its citizens. Secondly, literally ANY news from CCTV would have the presumption of "inaccurate until proven otherwise" from me based on their history of out and out lies.
If I mischaracterized your post, I apologize. I don't back off the point that CCTV is wholly unreliable for international news purposes. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 03/26/2003 : 16:35:11
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No problems Dallas.
I personally don't believe much of what the Chinese government says..... the Chinese are pretty much anti US, despite the fact that China is becoming more like the US everyday..... fashionwise, lifestyle wise, and also language wise. So from that point you have to be careful about what you read in the news, and also take alot of Chinese opinions with a pinch of salt.
You just have to listen to how the Chinese people give their arguments about the war in Iraq, and 9/11 to know that they really do not know what they are talking about. They lack any real sensible educational arguments on the two issues. I'm no US/UK supporter in this war, but I can tell when someone is giving a good argument, and when someone is just talking complete and utter rubbish, which unfortunately is what the Chinese seem to do 80% of the time. I guess the blame can be mostly handed to the media for this.
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