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Golly
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Sweden
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 Posted - 01/21/2003 : 07:07:51
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hey, let's see how many pixies rip-offs we can come up with (there ought to be a few)
I'll start with one that always bothered me. On letter to memphis when he sings "and all theese sirens, they make me mad... etc" the music and especially vocals sounds to alike billy corgan and the smashing pumpkins to be a coinsidence, i never could pin-point the actual song thou. But SP allready had an album out by then...so maby this is a bad example but i always wondered...hmmm
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 01/21/2003 : 07:58:16
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| I always wonder. you know when billy corgan screems "I saw her baby Break" in the song XYU I think it was. sounds like frank in Hey |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 08:44:26
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what
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frank ripping off billy corgan? please put down the crack pipe. frank is singing in his normal style. whether frank had even heard the pumpkins by that point would be an interesting question.
there's no doubt in my mind that billy's singing style was at least inspired by frank's. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 09:50:59
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I used to be a big pumpkin fan, all the way up to their last album. But now, I don't know. I just think it is little weak that the upped and quit because of some unsuccessful record sales. That new Zwan just sound like a poppy sellout. I know that Frank will never let me down. I think a lot of people ripped off the pixies cause the pixies inspired nirvana, and nirvana has inspired a lot of other groups. and now, you turn on the radio and it all sounds the same. great. just great.
Leonard Cohen is cool.
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 01/21/2003 : 10:25:15
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hmmm.... interesting. i always reckoned that fb singing in the outro to los angeles (ill wait... in los angeles) sounded a little like billy corgan. at least they have the same hairdresser heh heh.
There may be no 'I' in team, but there's a 'ME' if you look hard enough. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 11:31:47
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the pumpkins broke up for many reasons, none of which are crappy record sales. it's pretty obvious that starting a totally new band is going to result in less record sales than to just continue pumping out the same old thing as the old band.
zwan is very light and poppy. but how is this a bad thing? lots of TMBG songs are light and poppy. if you're going to throw around the world 'sellout' i think you need to go listen to 'hooker with a penis' (tool, 'aenima').
as for frank sounding like billy on 'los angeles' seriously, put down the crack pipe. go listen to 'caribou' and many other songs where frank sings like that. jesus christ. |
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bazza
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1439 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 11:39:41
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ooh! the claws are out. miaow.
There may be no 'I' in team, but there's a 'ME' if you look hard enough. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:01:18
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Ebb you are right. I don't think it is very fair, however, to compare They Might Be Giants with Zwan though. TMBG have been recording music for over twenty years. While both bands may sound a little poppy, TMBG, by all means, puts out some very original stuff. Songs like Put Your Hand Inside the Puppet Head and Ana Ng are very different and cool, not to mention timeless. But you already know this, and perhaps I need listen to a little more Zwan before I pass judgement.
On the other hand, when ever you disagree with someone you don't have bite their head off and act all condscending towards them. Actions like that induce high, and often unneccesary, levels of stress. Chill out man. It's just a message bored. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:07:25
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TMBG are on a level of their own, obviously. i've seen them live three times, memorize all their songs, etc etc. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 12:08:30
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
the pumpkins broke up for many reasons, none of which are crappy record sales. it's pretty obvious that starting a totally new band is going to result in less record sales than to just continue pumping out the same old thing as the old band.
I thought that every pumpkin album was completely different then the previous. The Smashing Pumpkins were constantly growing as a band. This is the reason why their last couple of albums didn't do as well as say... Mellon Collie. It was because a lot their so-called fans wanted high energy music like Zero and Bullet with Butterfly Wings. The fans wanted the same old thing, but the Pumpkins had moved on. I'm just trying to say that none of it was the same old thing. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 13:20:32
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The Pumpkins peaked on Siamese. After that it was pretty much downhill as far as I'm concerned. Mostly due to bad production. Butch Vig knew how to approach Billy's awful vocals and make them work. Without him, the vocals are obnoxious to the point of ruining the entire song. For example, Tonight Tonight is amazing except for the fucking irritating vocals. When Billy started taking control of all aspects of production, his ego got in the way of any objective criticism of himself and that ruined the band for me.
As for FB copying the Pumpkins I have to (gulp) agree with Ebb. You're smoking crack. They sound the same only in their use of dynamics (which everyone knows The Pixies started) and their use of simple tensions. The latter is more a Pumpkins thing and became more of a "90's rock" staple after they popularized it. It's mostly using power chords with a 9 tension on top and using major 7's, but Frank's been doing that all along as well. I think he sounds derivative sometimes because he's a very prolific and eclectic songwriter. Everything's been done before, so of course he's going to stumble across a phrase or sound that is similar to another song / artist.
As for Pixies rip-offs, I vote for Clinic, though I admit I haven't heard much of their stuff. Most other rip-offs these days are categorized as "Nirvana rip-offs" which of course indirectly means "Pixies rip-off"
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L. Barlow
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United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 13:22:50
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i always thouht the intro to here comes your man was the beach boys for some reason...and for another strange reason, i likened frank to van morrison on the teenager album. my minds going up the wall i think
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 14:24:06
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the pumpkins did evolve and yes that's why adore didn't sell. what i meant was they could have given everyone what they wanted and kept revisiting Siamese Dream over and over, or Mellon Collie.
personally i think 'Adore' was the best album, by a long shot. i like all of them though, some of my favourite songs are from 'the Friends and Enemies of Modern Music'. |
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Golly
- FB Fan -
Sweden
51 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 15:38:00
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
what
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frank ripping off billy corgan? please put down the crack pipe. frank is singing in his normal style. whether frank had even heard the pumpkins by that point would be an interesting question.
there's no doubt in my mind that billy's singing style was at least inspired by frank's.
HELLO?????
because you misunderstood me i will only say that if you read my original post you see that i think SMASHING PUMPKINS ARE RIPPING PIXIES OFF ON LETTER TO MEMPHIS, maybe it was a little unclear but i hardly thought anyone would think it was the other way around. It's pixies rip-offs , not pixies ripping off everyone!! |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 19:23:39
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you weren't just a little unclear, your grammar was terrible. don't blame me because you write like a small child.
i think it's unfair to say the pumpkins ripped off the pixies. it's one of those things that's more of 'influenced by' than 'ripped off.' i mean, some people say nirvana ripped of the pixies, i disagree. i think they were even more heavily influenced than the pumpkins, but still, not a direct rip off.
for a direct rip off look up bush in relation to nirvana.
or stabbing westward and nine inch nails.
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Bohemoth
- FB Fan -
USA
246 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2003 : 20:46:54
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I hope no one thought that meant frank ripped off the pumkins with my previous post.
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Golly
- FB Fan -
Sweden
51 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2003 : 03:50:50
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Ebb Vicious are you deliberately seeking out a conflict here or what?
I'm not from a english speaking country, so cut me a little slack if my grammar isn't 100 percent accurate. ooooh you write like a small child, that sounds like a comment from a small child ebb. Yes it may have been unclear, and i made the mistake thinking that everyone would understand it, obvioulsy. sorry |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1615 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2003 : 06:30:55
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Around 94 Smashing Pumpkins released the video "Vieuphoria" and in it Billy says he made a conscious decision for his band to have the soft/loud dynamics sound. That is not a direct quote but close enough to what he said. Though Billy is not a pioneer he shouldn't be considered a rip off. I'm optimistic for his new project Zwan.
Another band people like to lump into the Pixies-rip-off corner is the Toadies. Sure they have a similar sounding name and a female bass player and a song, Tyler, that if slowed down sounds like Where Is My Mind? in the beginning, but that doesn't make them bad people. They formed in 1989 and played well into 2001 before breaking up, but most will only remember them for the one hit song 'Possum Kingdom'. Besides being their hit song it has to be the most miss named song in history. Other names people call the song:
- Make up your mind
- Around the lake tonight
- Behind the boathouse
- my dark secret
- I'm not gonna lie
- So help me, Jesus
- My sweet angel
- Do you wanna die?
- My blushing bride
A very underrated band that was never treated right by their record label. Forced to wait 7 years to release a follow up to a platinum selling album is not good business.
Thomas
"It's the Nexus of the Crisis"
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2003 : 08:43:01
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i wasn't seeking out conflict, you replied like an ass so i gave you a thrashing. you apologized for your grammer due to english not being your native language, and that's fine. no big deal. but in your first reply you tried to attack me for not understanding your post, that was unacceptable.
anyway, toadies sucked, IMHO. i listened to that whole album once and i was totally unimpressed. but the same goes for just about every other 'alternative rock' band that sprang up in the wake of the pixies. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 15:35:36
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| Ebb, if the Pumpkins didn't care about record sales, why did Billy Corgan lie about them? Isn't that what the Pumpkins are most known for now? One of the few bands with damaged enough egos to lie about record sales. And yeah, it was pretty obvious to anyone who speaks even decent English that Golly wasn't saying Frank ripped off the Smashing Pumpkins. Also for the record, I have nothing against the Smashing Pumpkins, and I liked the direction they were heading (until that atrocity exhibition of a final album, Machina The Holy Wrath of God or whatever it was called). |
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2003 : 16:41:48
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| We should call this thread The Smashing Pumpkins debate. Anyway, other bands who have ripped of the Pixies. Weezer use alot of the same style of structures on their second album (im not to good at the technical lingo). Anyone heard Mclusky? Their last album was produced by Albini and they most certainly borrow from the Pixies harder edge (Something Against You, Tame, Rock Music). Im sure I could name hundreds of bands who have ripped them off, but those two will do. |
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
675 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 09:32:48
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Okay here is an ultimate pixies rip-off band. Before I say who they are I just want to say that I do like them and I think they are mainly just really influenced by the pixies because they did some pretty cool and creative stuff when I saw them open up for Frank Black; House of Large Sizes. Has anybody else heard them?
Jonathan Richman is awesome. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 10:32:37
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| Hey, I agree on House of Large sizes, they at least had the format. Shrieking lead singer, 3 guys one girl on bass who does back up vocals that contrast with the lead singer's. However, I gotta say for some reason the lead singer sounding more like a member of the Beastie Boys than Black Francis to me. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2003 : 12:57:34
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when the hell did billy ever lie about record sales? what crack rock are you smoking? as far as golly's wording being 'obvious', while it might seem like the obvious point to be making, his wording was very ambiguous. but whatever.
i was playing the new 20th anniversary trivial pursuit on x-mas and one of the questions was 'what band's music is, according to its lead singer, based on a mathematical analysis of nirvana's nevermind?' the answer? weezer.
anyone ever seen the old rolling stone cover where john 'cougar' mellencamp is cribbing off springsteen who is cribbing off dylan? i always thought they should do the same thing but with rivers cuomo, kurt cobain and frank black. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2003 : 06:11:14
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HELLO?????
because you misunderstood me i will only say that if you read my original post you see that i think SMASHING PUMPKINS ARE RIPPING PIXIES OFF ON LETTER TO MEMPHIS, maybe it was a little unclear but i hardly thought anyone would think it was the other way around. It's pixies rip-offs , not pixies ripping off everyone!!
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i wasn't seeking out conflict, you replied like an ass so i gave you a thrashing
I'm sorry Ebb, Golly didn't reply like an ass. And bashing someone for their grammer isn't very nice, if they aren't from a english speaking country.
It was very clear to me that Golly meant SP ripping of FB not FB ripping of SP. Although I respect your opinion, it is uncool to say: What crack are you smoking? I see this lines very often on this board, but to my opinion that's not the way to discus a topic.
Anyway, Ebb don't take this personally, it's the vibe of this forum.
I reckon that you know a lot about the Smashing Pumpkins and that's why you were so quick to reply and that it was so intense. I guess(in all your sharpness to reply) you hadn't seen that Golly meant something else.
That's cool, but when somebody indicates that, don't react like you were attacked or something. Just stay cool, that's no advice to you personally (again) but for a lot of people on this board.
And I'm no saint, so we will see how I'll react when somebody bashes me for my incorrect english in this reply 
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2003 : 14:30:49
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| I've always thought "I Bleed" sounded like a Pumpkins song. |
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Jim Cactus
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Posted - 01/29/2003 : 12:43:27
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In this weeks issue of Blender magazine there is an article with Spanish Teenie Boppers Las Ketchup. They are HUGE PIXIES FANS!
Also Austrialian teenie bopper Rob Levitt has a song called "PIXIES" on his last albums. One of the lyrics is "FRANK & KIM WOULD NOT BE LEADERS/SO KIM DEAL STARTED THE BREEDERS
Also, there's a band on Grand Royal Records called LADIES WHO LUNCH, they have an album call KIMS WE LOVE and they do all PIXIES covers.
Also, Post-Grunge rock group from Memphis called HAGFISHES have a song called "FRANK BLACK". One of the lyrics is "CHANGE YOUR NAME FROM CHARLES to BLACK/ PLAY YOUR GUITAR AND DON'T LOOK BACK"
You can buy any of these album at your local Record Shop
My dandy voice makes the most anti-choice granny's panties moist
PB
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2003 : 12:47:33
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| I always thought The La's sounded like The Pixies. Especially "There She Goes." Great tune. |
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Golly
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Sweden
51 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2003 : 14:51:26
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| Las Ketchup...huge pixies fans????!!!....this cannot be...I mean...jeesus...they only had the by far worst song of the year 2002...gah...I mean...if you like the pixies you can't be totally fucked up...or can you?...death to Las Ketchup |
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MikeW
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USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2003 : 22:40:21
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I will be honest, I hate the Pumpkins, never liked em. I find this comment insulting to the Pixies. I will say this, Undone Sweater by Weezer sounds just like I Bleed. And as far as whoever said that Frank ripped off Billy Corgan by singing the way he does at the end of LA, that is wrong. Have you ever heard of David Bowie? I am not saying FB ripped off Bowie but I definately hear the infl on LA.
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
I've always thought "I Bleed" sounded like a Pumpkins song.
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2003 : 01:02:49
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| Why do you find my comment insulting to the Pixies? I am basically saying that the Pumpkins used "I Bleed" as a prototype for some of their songs. It's fine if you don't like the Pumpkins. There are plenty of reasons not to. |
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default
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Posted - 02/03/2003 : 14:38:25
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i like this topic because everyone is getting pissed off at each other for no reason.
anyway, to get back to the topic at hand ...
veruka salt totally ripped of the pixies in one of their songs, i forget what is called though.
she sings stormy weather, just like on bossanova.
anyone remember this?
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MikeW
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USA
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Posted - 02/03/2003 : 14:56:35
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ok, so now its the Pumpkins that used it as a proto type? SO what you meant to say was that "a good handful of Pumpkin songs sound like I Bleed"? It doesnt matter. Oh and that Veruca song, I know which one, it also says something about "lavelour, which of us is blind"? its called No. 1 Blind. Hmmm? "lavelour" interesting...it could almost be Velouria, huh?
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
Why do you find my comment insulting to the Pixies? I am basically saying that the Pumpkins used "I Bleed" as a prototype for some of their songs. It's fine if you don't like the Pumpkins. There are plenty of reasons not to.
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EvanDandoso
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Posted - 02/05/2003 : 09:55:44
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There is a song on Husker Dus album, everything falls apart, i cant remember which one, but the lead guitar is almost identical to joey's on bone machine
I miss my stove :( |
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sand in the dog
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Posted - 02/06/2003 : 11:47:44
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One time I masterbated with sandpaper and it felt like I was ripping off a lot of things.
hook it to my veins! |
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Mr Grieves
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Posted - 02/10/2003 : 05:16:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Jim Cactus
In this weeks issue of Blender magazine there is an article with Spanish Teenie Boppers Las Ketchup. They are HUGE PIXIES FANS!
Also Austrialian teenie bopper Rob Levitt has a song called "PIXIES" on his last albums. One of the lyrics is "FRANK & KIM WOULD NOT BE LEADERS/SO KIM DEAL STARTED THE BREEDERS
Also, there's a band on Grand Royal Records called LADIES WHO LUNCH, they have an album call KIMS WE LOVE and they do all PIXIES covers.
Also, Post-Grunge rock group from Memphis called HAGFISHES have a song called "FRANK BLACK". One of the lyrics is "CHANGE YOUR NAME FROM CHARLES to BLACK/ PLAY YOUR GUITAR AND DON'T LOOK BACK"
You can buy any of these album at your local Record Shop
My dandy voice makes the most anti-choice granny's panties moist
PB
Also King Adora's Bionic - "I got the wind on my back like the good Frank Black."
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