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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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 Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:15:52
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oh god, i'm so sick and tired of reading/hearing that curt cobain ripped off the pixies. it is in every damned article which is about pixies or frank black ! blablabla... WE KNOW IT ALREADY !
sorry, but i had to say that...
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:21:55
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sorry, but you didn't need to say that, it's a constant complaint posted literallly hundreds of time on this here forum.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:25:11
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the "Obligatory Nirvana-Pixies Journalistic Tie-In", Section XII, Article 9 states that "Any journalist writing an article on the Pixies must mention a) Kurt Cobain, b) Nirvana, c) or both in conjunction with a) being influenced by, b) ripping off, c) being directly descendent from the Pixies and their musical sound...Amendment: This mention must be bookmarked by the notion that the Pixies are 'the godfathers of alernative rock' and that they 'influenced countless bands' since the 90's"
Journalists really annoy the hell out of me sometimes. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:34:24
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| It's almost impossible to read any article about them without the 'Kurt Cobain claims 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' was inspired by The Pixies, or something similar. FB himself has claimed several times that he dos'nt feel that Nirvana ripped them off, and that he dos'nt really see the connection;He has also notted that Nirvana are more melodic sounding and that The Pixies were always a little bit too strange to gain mass acceptance. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:08:30
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Catwalk Hat Syndrome in action.
You see this crazy hat on a catwalk model and you think, nobody would ever wear that. Yet, a few months later a watered down model is available that is the hit of the season - its the same style but much less difficult to grasp, hence mass acceptance.
Same thing with the Pixies/Nirvana. I wonder if thats the first time the Pixies have been compared to a hat.
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 14:52:43
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Has to be a first, cheese.
I've been guilty of using the analogy to try to make people understand who the Pixies are...ok, I did it once...and I said it really fast...and then the conversation ended and I hung my head in shame. Now I just say "Its an alternative group from the late 80's that broke up in 92 and got back together in April and I'm going to see them in October and you wouldn't understand anyway and yeah, I'm nuts and fuck you."
Ok, the 'fuck you' part didn't really happen.
The reason they're doing it is to try to give the idiotic masses some framework to hang this new "Pixies" concept on. They're afraid of...something - not being able to describe them?
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 17:15:10
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| I assume most writers of such articles take into consideration that there are many readers who may never heard of the pixies but probably heard of nirvana. |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 18:46:00
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I agree, KSR, I just tell people that they're one of the most influential bands from the late 80s/early 90s...then they look at me weird. Like I was wearing an odd hat.
I've had a couple people say "aren't they getting back together?" Yes, they've done that, I replied, I saw one of their shows--it was f'n amazing. It was as big as if the Beatles woulda gotten back together. "
then that look again.
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 05:32:15
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Hehe, I've used the Beatles analogy myself once! You know, me jumping aroud, saying "The Pixies are getting back together, the Pixies are getting back together, yay!", and after the uninterested "0h"'s from my friends I say "Don't you know what's going on? How big this is? It's like... It's like... It's as big as if the Beatles got togehter again!"
Of course, if the Beatles (somehow) got togehter again, they would surely suck (just too much time has passed). And Pixies surely don't.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 15:25:02
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Yeah and two of The Beatles are dead so...........
Even though you were joking LBF, it is true, this complaint has been made on here as much as 'said link between the two bands' has been mentioned.
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =
Chile
652 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2004 : 16:14:05
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stymie
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2004 : 16:52:27
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 16:05:39
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It's really stupid because there are probably 30000 people out there who've never given the Pixies a chance because they simply assume they sound just like Nirvana. When I hear a band sounds like another band, I'm immediately dismissive.
also it's pre-supposing that EVERYONE on earth loves Nirvana. |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 02:45:59
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I must admit that I'm guilty of that Nirvana quoting. But none of my friends have never listened to the Pixies but sure they've heard about Nirvana, so it's the easy way I found to introduce them into it.
But IMHO opinion, Nirvana has nothing to do when it gets compared with the Pixies. Anyways, my sister says the same sentence changing the bands names 
"They're so bloody, bloody, bloody happy!!!" |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 05:05:15
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In any case, between Pixies and Nirvana, Pixies are the ones who will be remembered in the future. Pixies co-created rock history and Nirvana was just this early 90's band. In twenty years, people will say: "Nirvana? Who are they?" And the more informed will reply: "Just this band from the 90's who wanted to sound like the Pixies but was never very good at it."
Then of course some will complain about people not givin Nirvana enough credit. So it goes.
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 11:08:25
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
In any case, between Pixies and Nirvana, Pixies are the ones who will be remembered in the future. Pixies co-created rock history and Nirvana was just this early 90's band. In twenty years, people will say: "Nirvana? Who are they?" And the more informed will reply: "Just this band from the 90's who wanted to sound like the Pixies but was never very good at it."
Then of course some will complain about people not givin Nirvana enough credit. So it goes.
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I don't think so. Cobain has become the 90's musical icon. And he has a better image to sell than these nerdy dressed guys. And remember, everybody knows who is Pat Boone.
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pudmeister
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 12:04:36
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Nirvana were an amazing band and thats all that matters, heavy punk rock, certain elements sound like the pixies. They just got commercial!!!!!!!!!!They had the best attitude to have towards the mainstream "were in it now, so why not piss some people off"
If you liked hard rock and you had never heard of them until now, you'd think that theyre the best band ever!!!!
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 12:58:55
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Now if you ever wanted a reason to be annoyed by a Pixies article... read this...the best quote being (and opening lines!!)..
"I've never been sure what it meant to "dig for fire," but the words have been ringing some sort of nebulous importance in my head ever since I first heard The Pixies' song from the band's 1988 "Doolittle" release. "
Now c'mon, even the smallest bit of research.... |
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 13:28:58
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That is pretty bad,and...
...Now, The Pixies have, after divulging to MTV that they've been secretly jamming together for years...
When did they divulge that?
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 14:23:19
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
In any case, between Pixies and Nirvana, Pixies are the ones who will be remembered in the future. Pixies co-created rock history and Nirvana was just this early 90's band. In twenty years, people will say: "Nirvana? Who are they?" And the more informed will reply: "Just this band from the 90's who wanted to sound like the Pixies but was never very good at it."
Then of course some will complain about people not givin Nirvana enough credit. So it goes.
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You could not be more wrong!
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 17:55:42
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
You could not be more wrong!
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whoreatthedoor
I don't think so. Cobain has become the 90's musical icon. And he has a better image to sell than these nerdy dressed guys. And remember, everybody knows who is Pat Boone.
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Originally posted by pudmeister
Nirvana were an amazing band and thats all that matters, heavy punk rock, certain elements sound like the pixies. They just got commercial!!!!!!!!!!They had the best attitude to have towards the mainstream "were in it now, so why not piss some people off"
If you liked hard rock and you had never heard of them until now, you'd think that theyre the best band ever!!!!
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
... Then of course some will complain about people not givin Nirvana enough credit.
Heh, sorry about that...
Nirvana's okay. They are after all the sound of my teenage years, no denying that.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 02:53:12
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Originally posted by chineselover
Now if you ever wanted a reason to be annoyed by a Pixies article... read this...the best quote being (and opening lines!!)..
"I've never been sure what it meant to "dig for fire," but the words have been ringing some sort of nebulous importance in my head ever since I first heard The Pixies' song from the band's 1988 "Doolittle" release. "
Now c'mon, even the smallest bit of research....
This is insane!
It's almost like they're talking about a completely different band. There's not a true fact in the whole article.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 04:23:02
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I like that in that quote you've not only got the song from the wrong album, but the album from the wrong year. Also being picky, "The" is not necessary before "Pixies".
"You ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?"
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 08:21:06
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yeah, i also hated those cheapo unofficial T shirts that were knockin' around the web at the start of the reunion that had a big 'THE PIXIES' on them, it just made cheap even cheaper...
and I know, one mistake could have been slip of the pen/toungue/keyboard but the fact that it was followed up by the wrong year made it worth posting!!! |
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
Australia
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Posted - 10/04/2004 : 06:39:25
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Here's a quote from the man himself regarding this whole Nirvana mess:
"The 'Cobain connection'
They're the standard interview-ending questions. Anything we've missed? Anything you want to add?
"Yeah," Frank Black says with a sardonic chuckle. "I don't think enough people have been asking me about how it feels to have been enjoyed by Kurt Cobain. I think people have really overlooked that fact. It's sad. It's sad."
That's been the lazy journalistic shorthand on The Pixies for years now - the late singer of Nirvana was a big fan, thus The Pixies somehow created Cobain's obsession with the soft/loud dynamics of music.
Never mind that long before he heard his first Pixies song, Cobain was obsessed with Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith, which were no slouches in the soft/loud dynamics department themselves. You'd think the fact that Cobain wrote an early song called Aero Zeppelin would be a tip-off as well.
Black is honored, he says, but enough."
So there you have it, folks.That's from last week's Rocky Mountain News interview.
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PLEASE STOP IT ! ONE FOR ALL !!
