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Alpha Soixante
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 Posted - 09/20/2004 : 12:46:06
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your stupidity has ceased to be funny and now it just makes me cry.
Ebb dear, don't torture yourself so. You are free to go. I release you.
You will be missed. Every serious conversation needs a screaming schizophrenic on the street corner to inject a bit of levity into the proceedings. |
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apl4eris
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 14:30:45
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Would be preferable.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:10:03
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Originally posted by BLT
Apparently Ebb has a much higher opinion of America's youth than we do.
Probably due his overestimated grandeur being transfered to his own generation. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:24:01
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you monkeys should stop trying to be clever it doesn't suit you.
i'll be 26 in about a week. i don't really feel like 'youth' anymore.
regardless, insulting me doesn't make this thread any less ridiculous. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:35:33
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What is ridiculous is that you think you know what is impossible and what is possible. True, a draft would not be popular, but if the US finds itself in several wars (say Iran, Korea, and Pakistan) then I can imagine a real push to expand the size of the military and the starting of a draft. Do I think it will happen? No. But, I'm going to dismiss everyone as an idiot if they raise the possibility of it happening, because I CAN'T know what is impossible.
You seem to on onehand believe that nothing will ever change (because people are too stupid), but then you think a draft would never happen (because the youth of America would revolt). That seem inconsistent to me. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:42:13
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how are thinking things will never change and that there will not be a draft opposing viewpoints?
assuming i was serious, how would riots against a draft be a new thing? what do you think would happen when draft officers started going around in compton to collect up the young black men who need to report to duty so they can die for some fat rich white assholes?
the most ridiculous thing is that we've had this thread before and the idea that the draft was a real possibility was shot down then and the thread died fairly quickly. for whatever reason i guess we were lucky then that the retards didn't read it or something.
like i said a few posts ago, if you think that a draft is a real possibility then you are incapable of rational thought, please shut your fryhole. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:47:16
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The youth won't fucking revolt. Gimme a break. They don't care, and besides, protesting would make them look like hippies, which 'ain't cool' .
Most of them would probably be itching to get their hands on some real weapons so they can legally do what they've been doing onscreen (and fantasizing about) for years.
Psychopaths. Thats who should be in the infantry.
Round em up, teach em how to work a gun and turn em loose in the desert.
I had another thought, but I'm so old and retarded it slipped right out of the back of me head.
Apl's sandboard post is the most profound statement in this thread so far.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 15:50:22
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Do you know why I thought you were 19 years old? Because I could only guess your age based on your writing style and your inability to engage in a conversation.
In the past I have ignored your sophomoric postings and I'll try to go back to that. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 16:28:48
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don't mistake lack of interest for inability.
using the word 'sophomoric' guarantees you come off like a halfwit.
kimstanleyfamilyrobinson: how old are you? i don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. i'm guessing you're ~10+ years older than me, which means you come from a very boring generation.
people my age and younger would probably strangle a draft officer who came to their door. i know i would. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 16:40:44
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[edit] Eat shit.
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Edited by - KimStanleyRobinson on 09/20/2004 16:44:06 |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 16:45:00
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you forgot about the fat, pale, pasty, pimpled part.
maybe you can't imagine being willing to go to jail rather than die in the desert to make the oil companies richer but i'm willing to bet almost everyone between 18-25 would share my opinion.
if bush wins in november i'm going to go to washington dc and eat the white house brick by brick. with honey mustard sauce.
edit: i knew i should have quoted you. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 16:46:51
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
don't mistake lack of interest for inability.
people my age and younger would probably strangle a draft officer who came to their door. i know i would.
people your age and younger are responsible for Emo music.
you'd probalby cower in a corner and start crying into your black hoodie.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 16:55:10
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Yeah, my post was a little short sighted.
I'll say I'd rather go to jail than to war - given those are the only choices.
The 18-25 sect - most of them I meet think they own the fucking world...and lots of them are bushies just cause they think
its cool to vote 'like rich people do'.
The intelligent people of any 'generation' will oppose war.
My point is I think there are less intelligent people in the 18-25 demo than there used to be.
Most of them don't. care.
These are the kids Aber&Fitch were marketing to
when they sold those "voting is for old people" shirts.
They're vapid.
They'd make good infantry, but the draft won't happen anyway,
so its moot.
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Edited by - KimStanleyRobinson on 09/20/2004 17:00:18 |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 17:11:54
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lol emo.
anyway it has nothing to do with intelligence. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 09/20/2004 : 19:18:00
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a draft would probably one of the best things that could happen to this me-1st society that we now live in.
it would bring home the real effects of the war-mongering and nation-building our country is currently executing around the world.
i beleive that the public would not stand for it.
end result things would change.
After how many innocent people died?
That seems to me as being along the same lines as deciding to abolish the government altogether, so that people can find out how much they need it.
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/21/2004 : 07:29:41
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My Uncle
Gram Parsons, 1969
A letter came today from the draft board.
With trembling hands I read the questionnaire.
It asked me questions about my mama and papa
Now that ain't what I call exactly fair.
So I'm heading for the nearest foreign border.
Vancouver might be just my kind of town
'Cause they don't need the kind of law and order
That tends to keep a good man underground.
A sad old soldier once told me a story
About a battlefield that he was on.
He said a man should never fight for glory
He must know what is right and what is wrong.
Now, I don't know how much I owe my uncle
But I suspect it's more than I can pay.
He's asking me to sign a three-year contract
I guess I'll catch the first bus out today.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 09/21/2004 : 07:32:48
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Originally posted by KimStanleyRobinson
They're vapid.
They'd make good infantry, but the draft won't happen anyway,
so its moot.
Hahaha, my first laugh of the day, thanks. :)
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Mroocore
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/21/2004 : 08:25:20
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Originally posted by VoVat
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a draft would probably one of the best things that could happen to this me-1st society that we now live in.
it would bring home the real effects of the war-mongering and nation-building our country is currently executing around the world.
i beleive that the public would not stand for it.
end result things would change.
After how many innocent people died?
That seems to me as being along the same lines as deciding to abolish the government altogether, so that people can find out how much they need it.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan
innocent people are dying w/o the draft.
from my obersevations most americans want some kind of retribution for 9/11 and other terrorist attacks so badly that they are willing to allow the government to advance the current agendas.
i base my opinion on the facts that dubya is leading in many polls and that Kerry recieved the DNC nomination over canidates that were anti-war.
these are canidates for war.
it is not TWAT that is the problem, i am in favor of protecting the country.
it is the continued efforts to build/rebuild sovereign nations that i find to be so disturbing.
i feel that if more americans had close ties to the military that these issues would be in the front of political debates.
we would hear less about swift boats and national guard service from over 30 years ago and more about Afghanistan and Iraq slipping out of control, where the best the coalition can do in Fallujah is drop bombs from 30,000+ feet or shoot missle from outside the city.
politicians would be left w/ no choice but to become more accountable for the use of military force.
i wish that we did not need to be pushed in this direction for the majority of voters to demand accountability, however it seems to me that as long as it is someone elses daughter/son/sister/...then just kicking arab ass is what the american public is interested in.
while we argue over which canidate did what w/ their privileged upbringings they are finding ways to exploit other countries resources and markets.
the whole time using the military as their strong arm, just like an organized crime syndicate would.
i truley do believe that if a draft started today peoples priorities would change. |
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harringk
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 17:50:07
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that's quite the misleading article title. kerry just says he can't say how likely it is. like i said earlier, it's not impossible that it could happen if things escalated but unless it were drastic it isn't going to happen.
there's much better reasons to vote for kerry than being scared of a draft. how about just being scared of losing your job? |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 19:46:04
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Well I am anti Iraq/Afganistan war. I am against the US creating an empire of sorts. I don't think this is a partisan issue because I have always been anti draft and anti war for the most part.
Obviously, it is becoming partisan due to the election and Kerry's statment posted above. But to me, like the Patriot Act, the draft is simply un American no matter what political party one belongs to.
I am anti draft of any kind-- i think that if not enough people volunteer-- it's not worth fighting. I can kinda see if they want it ready in case of emergency but to me I think that's a little crazy too.
The only way I could see myself supporting it is it would let people other than the poor urban and rural folks who put their lives on this line-- right now it's classist. But I would hope this type of change would result in protests and the abandonment of pursuing a draft strategy in the first place.
War=bad unless it's against a complete bully like Hitler. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 00:20:01
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
Well I am anti Iraq/Afganistan war.
There are valid arguments against the Iraq war--I happen to disagree with them--but I can understand why someone would oppose the invasion of Iraq (especially with 20/20 hindsight).
However, you've got some explaining to do if you're taking a stand against the removal of the Taliban. You can argue that maybe the war in Afghanistan wasn't handled really well, but if you really believe that we should've left the Taliban in power after Sept 11th you are truly ignorant.
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
I am anti draft of any kind-- i think that if not enough people volunteer-- it's not worth fighting.
Wow, with logic like that I really hope you never run for public office. What's you're policy on taxes? If not enough people want to pay them the government isn't worth supporting?
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
War=bad.
No shit. I love these people who think that anyone who supports some specific military action just love the idea of war. EVERYBODY HATES WAR!! But when you live in the real world sometimes you have to make difficult decisions in the interest of the greater good.
The reality is there will always be war. Whether the human race lasts another 50 or 5,000 years, there will always be war. We're a bunch of greedy, violent, territorial, egomaniacs and that will never change. Get used to it. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 00:42:02
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Originally posted by harringk
No shit. I love these people who think that anyone who supports some specific military action just love the idea of war. EVERYBODY HATES WAR!!
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We're a bunch of greedy, violent, territorial, egomaniacs and that will never change.
So which is it? Do we all hate war or are we all violent? |
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Mroocore
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:33:29
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
Well I am anti Iraq/Afganistan war. I am against the US creating an empire of sorts. I don't think this is a partisan issue because I have always been anti draft and anti war for the most part.
Obviously, it is becoming partisan due to the election and Kerry's statment posted above. But to me, like the Patriot Act, the draft is simply un American no matter what political party one belongs to.
I am anti draft of any kind-- i think that if not enough people volunteer-- it's not worth fighting. I can kinda see if they want it ready in case of emergency but to me I think that's a little crazy too.
The only way I could see myself supporting it is it would let people other than the poor urban and rural folks who put their lives on this line-- right now it's classist. But I would hope this type of change would result in protests and the abandonment of pursuing a draft strategy in the first place.
War=bad unless it's against a complete bully like Hitler.
i agree w/ much of your post, although to say the draft is un-american is wrong.
welfare, corporate or social, is un-american.
keeping open borders is un-american.
federal law or admendment curbing state's rights is un-american.
foreign-aid is un-american.
i could go on.
the most important charge of a government is to protect its people and interests in country and abroad, if that requires a draft than there is no way one can argue a draft.
drafting a military from the populace is one act of the federal government that, when merited, is fundamentally american.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:05:57
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it's like the remedial algebra class discussing quantum theory.
lol. you guys are a riot. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:09:53
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Harringk, no worries, I won't run for public office...getting my palm greased isn't my thing. Plus, I am not a millionare/billionare which also seems to help.
I guess you can read my mind too what I thought of that war in the first place-- I have always supported the troops because no one on this earth should be put in the situation they are. However, I was appalled when I first found out about the first strike. I became more appalled when Iraq was found to have no WMD's and lost all support for the Bush administration when the torture at Abu Garib was publicized
Basically-- I do support curbing terrorism but I don't support waging a war on an entire nation that might even have connections to terrorism. Targeting terrorist activity is what I am talking about-- not empire building purported by the neo conservatives including George W. Bush
What I mean by this is that through intelligence the US and other nations should penetrate terrorist organizations globally and bring them to justice. This means giving them due process under international law. Not detaining them month after month with out telling them what they are charged with and torturing them.
This war is just inciting more terrorist activity. The way to win this "war" is through peace, understanding, trade. It is going to take a long time to heal the rifts between the Muslim world and the Judeo-Christian world that began with the crusades, if not earlier. The problem with American foreign policy is that it is short sighted and it ends up stirring up more animosity than if we would have just let the terrorists be. Violence will only lead to more violence. Right now the US is only creating more people that will be sympathetic-- if not join the join the terrorist cause.
This eye for an eye thing will only continue to escalate on both sides. As a true leader, the United States should work to heal these wounds-- until then, the US is just as bad as the terrorists.
The Abu Garib incident is a prime example-- the systematic of the torture of the Iraqi prisoners made us as bad if not worse as the terrorists them selves.
I am not blaming the individual troops-- they do not create policy. I am blaming the leadership of this country for putting us in a position that will only beget more violence. Bush is taking a buckshot approach at solving the issue of terrorism when a delicate surgery is what is needed to penetrate and extract the leadership of these terrorist organizations and also programs to encourage cultural and religious tolerance of middle eastren/muslim and western groups.
Mroocore-- I can see how you would not call the draft un-American. The reason I choose to think of it as un-American is that I think everyone should be given a choice to enlist. It's a grassroots view of democracy-- you vote if you believe in believe in the war by enlisting. The top government should not have absolute control to draft anyone. In addition, the government should make it easier for people to get a higher education so they don't have to depend on enlisting to get one.
Anyway, the great thing about this country is that we can all have divergent views on this issue and discuss them in a public forum. How lucky are we?
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harringk
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:16:06
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by harringk
No shit. I love these people who think that anyone who supports some specific military action just love the idea of war. EVERYBODY HATES WAR!!
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We're a bunch of greedy, violent, territorial, egomaniacs and that will never change.
So which is it? Do we all hate war or are we all violent?
Come on Darwin you're smarter than that, those statements aren't contradictory. Obviously they are generalizations. Not everybody on this planet is a violent animal, but as a race we have very violent tendencies. Do you have kids? They show aggressive and violent behavior very early, whether that is learned behavior or instinct I don't know, but I would think its a combination of both. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:39:02
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by harringk
No shit. I love these people who think that anyone who supports some specific military action just love the idea of war. EVERYBODY HATES WAR!!
<snip>
We're a bunch of greedy, violent, territorial, egomaniacs and that will never change.
So which is it? Do we all hate war or are we all violent?
Come on Darwin you're smarter than that, those statements aren't contradictory. Obviously they are generalizations. Not everybody on this planet is a violent animal, but as a race we have very violent tendencies. Do you have kids? They show aggressive and violent behavior very early, whether that is learned behavior or instinct I don't know, but I would think its a combination of both.
It's full of contradictions and I don't think race was the word you wanted to use. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 17:20:44
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keeping open borders is un-american.
So we should deport everybody but the Native Americans?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 06:43:44
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I'd make a relevent post but being very nearly 24 I am remarkably vapid, in utter disgust with myself for the responsibility of emo and I, owning the world, need to send out one of my fogie minions to pick up a couple of more black hoodies, the holes I wore in the sleeves for my thumbs to poke through have snagged.
You guys forgot angsty, although I take no responsibility for the manic street preachers, none whatsoever.
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the room smelled like cupids gym
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Mroocore
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 08:39:29
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Originally posted by VoVat
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keeping open borders is un-american.
So we should deport everybody but the Native Americans?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan
are you being obtuse on purpose?
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harringk
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 11:55:18
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
that's quite the misleading article title. kerry just says he can't say how likely it is. like i said earlier, it's not impossible that it could happen if things escalated but unless it were drastic it isn't going to happen.
Actually this is what the article attributed to Kerry:
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, citing the war in Iraq and other trouble spots in the world, raised the possibility Wednesday that a military draft could be reinstated if voters re-elect President Bush.
And hear is what you said earlier:
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
if you honestly think there is any chance of a draft then you are too stupid to form your own opinion about anything. you should shut your mouth and never speak again. find someone intelligent and do whatever they say for the rest of your life because you are incapable of rational thought.
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
like i said a few posts ago, if you think that a draft is a real possibility then you are incapable of rational thought, please shut your fryhole.
So according to Ebb, Kerry is too stupid to form his own opinion about anything, he should shut his mouth (and fryhole) and never speak again. Kerry should also find someone intelligent to tell him what to do for the rest of his life because he is incapable of rational thought.
So Ebb, are you voting for Kerry? |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 12:18:23
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1) from the article:
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Answering a question about the draft that had been posed at a forum with voters, Kerry said: "If George Bush (news - web sites) were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea (news - web sites) and Iran and other places, is it possible? I can't tell you."
2) everything i've said in this thread regarding the draft is regarding a draft *right now*. not a draft four years from now. if bush is re-elected i don't think that it is impossible that we would end up in even more conflicts. as i said earlier in the thread, a draft is possible if we get into some global scale conflict. but no, it's not possible right now.
3) you're a moron and i'm not going to waste my time replying to any more of your posts. you're beneath me. |
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harringk
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 13:20:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
1) from the article:
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Answering a question about the draft that had been posed at a forum with voters, Kerry said: "If George Bush (news - web sites) were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea (news - web sites) and Iran and other places, is it possible? I can't tell you."
2) everything i've said in this thread regarding the draft is regarding a draft *right now*. not a draft four years from now. if bush is re-elected i don't think that it is impossible that we would end up in even more conflicts. as i said earlier in the thread, a draft is possible if we get into some global scale conflict. but no, it's not possible right now.
3) you're a moron and i'm not going to waste my time replying to any more of your posts. you're beneath me.
You're as transparent as Kerry, changing your position as it suits you. But you stuck your foot in your mouth while acting like an ass to the people who were not saying anything substantively different than your hero. |
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Under 35? You're Gonna Get Drafted
