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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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 Posted - 09/15/2004 : 07:55:19
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Sounds dubious I know, but have a gander anyway...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6904.htm
Excerpt:
"But, as one of W's Yalie frat brothers tells Kelley, it's not the substance abuse in Bush's past that's disturbing, it's the "lack of substance ... Georgie, as we called him, had absolutely no intellectual curiosity about anything. He wasn't interested in ideas or in books or causes. He didn't travel; he didn't read the newspapers; he didn't watch the news; he didn't even go to the movies. How anyone got out of Yale without developing some interest in the world besides booze and sports stuns me." New Yorker writer Brendan Gill recalls roaming the Kennebunkport compound one night while staying there looking for a book to read - the only title he could find was The Fart Book."
Interview:
"S:] What do you think W will do if he loses in November? Will he happily go back to baseball?
[KK:] No. You know something that I have found out from this family after four years - he doesn't plan to lose. They know how to win - no matter what.
[S:] What does that mean?
[KK:] That means these people can put the Sopranos to shame.
[S:] Does that mean vote stealing?
[KK:] That's a bit overt. But nothing will stand in the way of these people winning. Nothing. You start out looking at the Bush family like it's The Donna Reed Show and then you see it's The Sopranos."
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 14:00:56
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I'm far from a Bush supporter, but really, some of the things people do are just so stupid. I mean, who the fuck gives a shit if Bush didn't travel, read newspapers, watch the news, or go to movies? Hell, these are very good qualities; this might even be the only way in which I wish I was more like George Bush (although not in the booze and sports area). But really, some people just come up with the stupidest things just to find more reasons to dislike Bush, as if there aren't enough already.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 16:32:15
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I am an anti-Bush supporter. Although I find these allegations interesting, I am not putting any weight behind Kitty Kelly's reporting.
However, I think it is good for any leader to have intellectual curiosity-- but maybe his lack of intellectual curiosity is why the common man finds him so appealing.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 19:14:38
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I tend to think of Bush as being specifically anti-intellectual. Unfortunately, that's not an uncommon attitude.
Brick is red, and Hitler's dead. Hang me! |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 20:04:21
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Originally posted by VoVat
I tend to think of Bush as being specifically anti-intellectual.
Why "anti"? Agreed that he's hardly intellectual, but against intellect? |
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 21:55:26
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clever people have ideas, you don't want that happening
the room smelled like cupids gym
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 22:51:37
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by VoVat
I tend to think of Bush as being specifically anti-intellectual.
Why "anti"? Agreed that he's hardly intellectual, but against intellect?
I don't know if you're making a subtle dig at anti-intelluectual versus the correct term anti-intellectualism. If given a choice he would have creation science taught in schools. Don't YOU think that's anti-intellectualism? Pushing myth over facts. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 08:09:58
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No subtle dig intended. The creation science example reminds me of Hillary commenting on C-Span that "we may not want to look to closely into the nature-nurture question", meaning that we may not like what we find out. Or when she condemned the rising power of the bloggers by suggesting that blogs allow individuals to have too much say regarding events and ideas. My point is that it isn't too difficult to identify in any ideological sector to a will to limit or control discourse.
Sure, Bush isn't intellectually curious, but many on his team would be legitimately described as intellectual. I agree that creation science is myth, but then I also see most of the axioms of the left to also be simple myths. Everybody, and especially academia, is pushing conclusions and neglecting examination of premises. Everybody's got a sacred cow (which do "make the best burgers"). |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 15:52:53
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Or when she condemned the rising power of the bloggers by suggesting that blogs allow individuals to have too much say regarding events and ideas.
Yes, because people actually read blogs to get their information on events and ideas.
Brick is red, and Hitler's dead. Hang me! |
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 22:25:51
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mmmmm sacred cow burgers
*tummy rumbles*
the room smelled like cupids gym
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2004 : 23:59:49
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Just so long as the sacred cow isn't also mad.
Brick is red, and Hitler's dead. Hang me! |
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Hanoi333
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Netherlands
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Posted - 09/17/2004 : 04:45:08
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I am certainly not a supporter of Bush. But there are two elements I would like to add here.
First of all, he is democratically chosen by your voting system. He will probably be chosen again by your "fair" democratic election system, which means that you as Americans see this man as the best choice for the country.
Secondly he is a probably not that intellectual as other candidates, which is a disadvantages, but he is probably better able to communicate his message and policy and opinion/point of view than others. I find it quite difficult to understand how it is possible that Kerry cannot communicate what is wrong with Bush his policy and acts so far. You can refer to so much mistakes of the man, yet he cannot convince the people that have to be convinced (the ones that voted for Bush). |
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harringk
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Posted - 09/17/2004 : 09:54:36
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Originally posted by Hanoi333
I am certainly not a supporter of Bush. But there are two elements I would like to add here.
First of all, he is democratically chosen by your voting system. He will probably be chosen again by your "fair" democratic election system, which means that you as Americans see this man as the best choice for the country.
Secondly he is a probably not that intellectual as other candidates, which is a disadvantages, but he is probably better able to communicate his message and policy and opinion/point of view than others. I find it quite difficult to understand how it is possible that Kerry cannot communicate what is wrong with Bush his policy and acts so far. You can refer to so much mistakes of the man, yet he cannot convince the people that have to be convinced (the ones that voted for Bush).
The problem with Kerry is he isn't communicating anything. He is running on a "I'm not Bush" platform. He is totally ignoring his voting record in the Senate for the past 20 years (for good reason) and just hoping that there are enough Bush haters out there that would vote for ANYONE but Bush that he could get elected.
Since he hasn't tried to define himself or his views, the Bush campaign went ahead and did that for him. The voters don't like the real Kerry, and there aren't enough Bush haters (despite how loud they are) to elect Kerry.
I think Kerry would've had a chance at winning this election if he would have focused on current events and policy, and had any plan for terrorism and the economy. Instead he is stuck 30 years in the past, trying to portray himself as a war hero and Bush as AWOL. The problem with that is nobody cares... |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/17/2004 : 12:13:01
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Originally posted by harringk The voters don't like the real Kerry, and there aren't enough Bush haters (despite how loud they are) to elect Kerry.
Please tell us more oh wise harringk, knower of all.
Here's some data to refute your claims:
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Sept. 11-14, 2004. N=899 adults nationwide.
"Now I'd like your views on some people. Would you say your overall opinion of John Kerry/George Bush is very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable?"
Kerry Bush
Very Favorable 17 24
Mostly Favorable 34 25
Mostly Unfavorable 21 19
Very Unfavorable 19 27
51% have favorable feelings for Kerry. 49% for Bush. Looks pretty even to me. You say, "The voters don't like the real Kerry", but 40% don't like Kerry while 46% don't like Bush. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/17/2004 : 13:27:16
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by harringk The voters don't like the real Kerry, and there aren't enough Bush haters (despite how loud they are) to elect Kerry.
Please tell us more oh wise harringk, knower of all.
Here's some data to refute your claims:
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Sept. 11-14, 2004. N=899 adults nationwide.
"Now I'd like your views on some people. Would you say your overall opinion of John Kerry/George Bush is very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable?"
Kerry Bush
Very Favorable 17 24
Mostly Favorable 34 25
Mostly Unfavorable 21 19
Very Unfavorable 19 27
51% have favorable feelings for Kerry. 49% for Bush. Looks pretty even to me. You say, "The voters don't like the real Kerry", but 40% don't like Kerry while 46% don't like Bush.
Yeah the polls are all over the place right now. The one you quote shows a pretty even race. Of course you forgot to mention the one that shows Bush up by 13 points: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/campaign_poll_dc
However, it does appear that the race has tightened up again over the last week or two. We shall see...
Sincerely,
wise harringk, knower of all
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 13:47:39
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| Yes, the Gallup poll. The pool that showed that Bush was beating Gore by 13% the week before the election in 2000. The pool that is no longer run by Frank Gallup, but rather by a Republiucan who has contributed to Republican campaigns this year. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 09/17/2004 : 14:39:37
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Originally posted by darwin
Yes, the Gallup poll. The pool that showed that Bush was beating Gore by 13% the week before the election in 2000. The pool that is no longer run by Frank Gallup, but rather by a Republiucan who has contributed to Republican campaigns this year.
Yes I'm sure all that you say is true and that completely invalidates the results of this poll. But I bet that you didn't know that the Pew Research Poll that you quoted is no longer run by Sir Bernard Pew, but is now run by DAN RATHER. |
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slaveish
= Cult of Ray =
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2004 : 19:47:39
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I'm far from a Bush supporter, but really, some of the things people do are just so stupid. I mean, who the fuck gives a shit if Bush didn't travel, read newspapers, watch the news, or go to movies? Hell, these are very good qualities; this might even be the only way in which I wish I was more like George Bush (although not in the booze and sports area). But really, some people just come up with the stupidest things just to find more reasons to dislike Bush, as if there aren't enough already.
ˇViva los Católicos!
Who gives a shit? I do. The man is our president. He makes hugely important policy decisions. He is the most powerful person in the country. He is our leader, our comander in chief. This man should be intelligent. He should be curious. He should speak well. He should read. Come on, all of this seems so obvious. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/17/2004 : 23:08:55
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by darwin
Yes, the Gallup poll. The pool that showed that Bush was beating Gore by 13% the week before the election in 2000. The pool that is no longer run by Frank Gallup, but rather by a Republiucan who has contributed to Republican campaigns this year.
Yes I'm sure all that you say is true and that completely invalidates the results of this poll. But I bet that you didn't know that the Pew Research Poll that you quoted is no longer run by Sir Bernard Pew, but is now run by DAN RATHER.
See what you don't know is that my arguement was based on facts. And your arguement was a lame joke. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/18/2004 : 12:27:46
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by darwin
Yes, the Gallup poll. The pool that showed that Bush was beating Gore by 13% the week before the election in 2000. The pool that is no longer run by Frank Gallup, but rather by a Republiucan who has contributed to Republican campaigns this year.
Yes I'm sure all that you say is true and that completely invalidates the results of this poll. But I bet that you didn't know that the Pew Research Poll that you quoted is no longer run by Sir Bernard Pew, but is now run by DAN RATHER.
See what you don't know is that my arguement was based on facts. And your arguement was a lame joke.
And I'm sure that if I had enough time on my hands (and if I really cared) I could dig up some "facts" to call the accuracy of the Pew Poll into question. So what, you can find a bias anywhere if you look hard enough. I guess we won't know for sure until November. Of course after Bush wins all the lefty crybabies will just claim that the election was stolen again. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2004 : 13:00:54
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Here are the actual results of the Gallup Poll:
Do you think the President is doing a good job?
Yes - 22%
Absolutely - 16%
The what? - 62%
Who would you vote for if the election were held today?
George W. Bush - 55%
Adolf Hitler - 10%
Huh huh, you said "erection" - 35%
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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slaveish
= Cult of Ray =
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2004 : 20:22:11
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| harringk: so what you're saying is, if someone comes up with facts that don't support your view, you will dismiss them. If you are called on this, you will say that you don't have time or really care enough to find contrary facts that support your opinion. The internet is easy to use- you seem to have enough time to add your opinions to this message board. Why don't you dig up some evidence from a credible source that supports your view? I've noticed that you like to call people names and use insults instead. It's easier, isn't it? |
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New book on the Bushes
