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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
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Posted - 09/11/2004 :  22:21:35  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
AHHHHHHHHH!
I took one dose of 500 MG Cipro at about 4 PM today, and I have not been having a good time of it. Lots of cunfusion, difficulty thinking, typing, can't focus long distances, dizzy, then abrupt mood swings and confused speech, and the past few hours, my joints (jaws, right hand, right knee) have been hurting (the last 2 are listed as severe side effects, saying I should tell my doctor).

Have you ever taken Cipro -did you have any problems? Or have you had any side effects from any drug that were harmful? Did you have a hard time getting your doc to believe you?

I'm not looking forward to it. I've had a bad go with doctors for many years now, cause most of them were awful. Does it seem like your doctor experience just isn't very good anymore? Have any stories?
I miss my old pediatrician -he was so great! hahaha .....wheeeeeee!

offerw
* Dog in the Sand *

South Africa
1264 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2004 :  23:27:00  Show Profile  Click to see offerw's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
It sounds if the Ciprobay is doing you no good at all. The problems you are experiencing are all known side effects of the drug. Your doctor really should take this seriously and prescribe you an alternative, that is after he has checked if your symptoms aren't related to the infection you've had to take antibiotics for in the first place.

Sorry to hear you've had problems with doctors. The medical profession seems to have a bad image the world over. There are some good ones there though so if this guy does not believe you about the side effects go somewhere else.

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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <

Spain
2873 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  01:53:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I work on a help desk for medicine professionals and, with two years of experience in that job I can say (maybe it just happens here in Spain) that doctors and nurses (generally speaking, I've met a lot of nice people) are the most domineering people I've ever known. It's like they belong to a better sort of people. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! I hate them.

Have you ever took Polaramine? I took it only once for my allergy. Never more. Simply, I prefer allergy symptoms to Polaramine side effects.


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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1688 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  03:23:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I spent my 18th birthday in a hospital because of an allergy to penniciline. The nurses who were taking care of me spotted my date of birth on my papers and came all together to wish me a happy birthday. I was all dizzy because of the anti-histaminic medication they administrate in these situations, and I found that situation really surreal.


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Posted - 09/12/2004 :  03:36:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
heh, I was in hospital at uni with suspected meningitis, that was the weirdest time ever, it was a weird hospital, all glass on one side facing out to the snowdon mountain range, and october time so pissy weather and the only CD I had with me was radioheads kid A it was well moody, the staff wee dead nice but the tests went on and on and seemed more and more pointless, I have continual bad health and have seen some awful doctors in my time, I had a stomach (well have) problem and one doctor told me the best he could say was I was 20 years too young for stomach cancer so it prolly wasn't that, I'm allergic to bio-yoghurt or any food with live lactobacillus makes my lips blister and my mouth swell, I suggested it might be related and was basically accused of being a liar, I have horrible reactions to some insect bites and get a funny old range of antibiotics to test out, I have an inverted femur and hip bursars and one doctor cheerfully told me I could have a series of steroid injections in my hips (I've seen these done in theatre.. no way no how!) and I work sometimes on wards but mostly in operating theatres, some things make my jaw DROP, but generally it's excellent service in there.

I tend not to (I will confess) take the majority of things prescribed to me, just because there has been a lot and I don't like taking drugs, I really would be militant about changing your prescription if it is messing you around this badly


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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <

France
4233 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  07:37:26  Show Profile  Visit cassandra is's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"it's not the side effects of the cocaine"
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  08:41:05  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, that was fun! Called the doctor, apologized for bothering her on a Sunday - dead heavy glaring silence...
Just yesterday she had been very friendly and effusive according to my husband, and said, "no not at all, please call anytime!" when he apologized for interrupting her Saturday. She was a total bitch today. At least I have a new prescription...and she told me to take Midol or Advil for the joint pain caused by the "Quinolones".

That Cipro is some scary stuff -I've been reading around (taking the comments in context of course), and discovering that some people have had very long-term effects on their health, including the cartilage in their weight-bearing joints being destroyed, or having 5-yr long disorienting psychological/neurological effects that ruined their lives.

What really amazes me is how willing the docs are to let the pharma reps interrupt their day to "educate" them about their drugs with a little wining and dining and free swag, and a patient calling with serious side-effects is treated as an affront and an imposition. Waiting in the lobby at the doctors' offices, there is always at least one rep with a giant goody-bag (lunch and drug samples, once they even brought Halloween candy for the office staff!) that's ushered through the doors while there are patients waiting outside like cattle.

Thanks for the words of encouragement and advice guys. It helps to remind me that it's not just me. I've had so many bad experiences with doctors that it begins to feel like it's something wrong with you, ya know? I don't have anything against doctors as a whole -my Stepdad and cousin are doctors, and I've had a couple good ones, don't get me wrong - but there is something really wrong with the industry today. Especially when drug companies can choose which drug study results they will release to the public.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
5305 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  09:23:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes... I have had side effects from Cipro, very similar to yours. At first, I had no clue that it could be caused by the antibiotic... then I finally figured it out and called my doctor and switched. I feel your pain. Best wishes you will feel better sooner.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  09:55:04  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Daisy. You had joint pain as well? How long did ti take for your reactions to go away, if I may ask?

I'm not sure what to do, now that I am reading up on the new prescription I was given:

"Sulfamethoxazole, an ingredient in Bactrim, is one of a group of drugs called sulfonamides, which prevent the growth of bacteria in the body. Rare but sometimes fatal reactions have occurred with use of sulfonamides. These reactions include Stevens-Johnson syndrome (severe eruptions around the mouth, anus, or eyes), progressive disintegration of the outer layer of the skin, sudden and severe liver damage, a severe blood disorder (agranulocytosis), and a lack of red and white blood cells because of a bone marrow disorder.

Notify your doctor at the first sign of an adverse reaction such as skin rash, sore throat, fever, joint pain, cough, shortness of breath, abnormal skin paleness, reddish or purplish skin spots, or yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes.

Frequent blood counts by a doctor are recommended for patients taking sulfonamide drugs."

Holy crap!

We had to call the pharmacy to even find out what I had been prescribed! No consultation with me about the drug occurred beforehand.
I'm starting to feel like I oughta just forget what I went to the doc for in the first place, and try to treat myself. This is ridiculous!

Edited by - apl4eris on 09/12/2004 09:55:47
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
5305 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  10:01:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't rembember any joint pain maybe because it's been awhile. Either I didn't have it or just the mood swings... crying for no reason was so dramatic I didn't notice/remember. Along the same lines I can't remember ho long it took to go away...but either right away or a few days after.

Also, I have been on those sulfa antibiotics that you're now on... luckily I have never had any problems with those, so hopefully you will be ok. Feel Better!
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Posted - 09/12/2004 :  10:04:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
all drugs are gonna have some crappy side effects, it's a pro and con list situation


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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  10:11:06  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I realize most do, but the possibilities for harm here far outweigh what the initial problem was. Logically, taking a chance like this seems like something for when you are already in a life-threatening situation.

Thanks again for the help.
Daisy, I know exactly what you mean about the mood swings. Last night I was mildly euphoric (heheh, reminds me of watching Kill Bill 2 last night), then I was crying, out of the blue, and sad as hell. And nope, PMS shouldn't be for a while longer, yet.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
5305 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  12:06:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apl, at first I thought it was pms although it wasn't the time of month. Then, I just thought... what have i done differently in the last few days... then the medicine came to mind. I did some online research and then went to my dr. to confirm it. I hope you feel better....you sound very sick!
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Iceland
8201 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  13:31:59  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I had some drowsiness as a result of a decongestant once. I almost fell asleep at the phone at work one afternoon, which isn't particularly out of the ordinary.

I am no help.


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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
9168 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  15:24:02  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Side effect or drug trip, don't tease me with all of your might.



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mereubu
= FB QuizMistress =

USA
2677 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  17:14:54  Show Profile  Visit mereubu's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Apl darlin', you're probably much better off w/sulfa drugs than fluoroquinolones b/c sulfa is one of the very oldest antibiotics and there aren't many surprises with it. (Unfortunately, I am deathly allergic to it and can't touch the stuf, but that's another story.) Almost everyone seems to have some class of anti-b's that they just can't tolerate. I had to take Cipro this summer for a nasty UTI/kidney infection and found it to be horribly nauseating. That's par for the course with that shit, but you should definitely cross a drug off your list once it causes joint pain/ swelling and/or mood disorder. Definitely not the drug for you! Hope you're feeling better soon.

VoVat, my panacea's in a Xerox shop.
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slaveish
= Cult of Ray =

USA
269 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2004 :  18:13:51  Show Profile  Visit slaveish's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Antiobiotics- ooh, bad stuff. Doctors looove to prescribe those things, and very often for ailments which don't respond to them. I say keep your immune system strong, get enough sleep, take vitamins and herbs!!!
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
11687 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2004 :  07:34:03  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jen, I can't say much 'cept time for a new doctor.


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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *

South Africa
1264 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2004 :  13:10:47  Show Profile  Click to see offerw's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Apl I hope you're getting better.

Damn, you've been treated badly. How tough can it be to do a telephonic consultation? She was bloody rude. Allowing pharmaceutical reps to interrupt consultations also doesn't strike me as good manners. Fortunately many countries have laws against that kind of thing. I'm surprised to hear it is still happening in the USA.

Ask your old paediatrician if he doesn't want to treat slightly older patients too.....

wilhelm
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
17125 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2004 :  14:43:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Funny, I get no side effects from my heroin. Maybe you should try that.

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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2004 :  18:36:54  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
offerw, others - I'm doin fine now, thank you all for your concern.
I decided to ignore my new script and just did essentially what slaveish was talkin' about. I'm beginning to think that our in-house herbal apothecary is far better than a trip to the doc for things like this. If it's not a life-or-death situation, I don't feel like risking horrible side effects that are way worse than the symptoms.

And I agree Dean, I think I need a new doc. Again. She seems like every other day she's got Godzilla PMS and she's out of tampons.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =

United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/14/2004 :  14:33:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Glad you are doing OK.

Drugs are bad, OK?

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Posted - 09/14/2004 :  14:35:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
m-kay


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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~

Belgium
15320 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2004 :  14:48:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apl, are you remembering to take some acidophilus (sp?), to get some good flora and fauna back in your system (anti-biotics kill both the bad and good stuff)? You can take capsules of the stuff, which is easier than eating a truckload of yogurt, the equivalent. Otherwise, it can be yeast-infection time, baby!

Been there done that with the Cipro.Mama Ubu's right, as always. Stick with the older better-known drugs. It's a drag. Hang in there!


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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2004 :  15:08:03  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
mmmmkay, Homer. Duly noted. ;)

Hey thanks very much for the tip, kathryn.
I only took one pill, but I guess it doesn't take much to do the damage, especially considering how it made me feel. My joints are still acting up, 3 days later. I'm taking some Glucosamine for that just in case, cause it's done wonders for my husband's long-suffering knee. Acidophilus is now on the grocery list. I've never had a yeast infection (knock on wood!) but now is definitely not the time to start.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
5305 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2004 :  23:18:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hope you continue to feel better!
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