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slaveish
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 09/12/2004 : 18:41:43
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yeah, two things- Cheeseman, you must be joking that you find FB's references shocking. His music is FULL of them, through the Pixies and solo work and Catholics. You can pick them out one after another- Ramones, Beatles, Roxy Music, Cure, etc., etc.
Second, Velvet Underground/ Lou Reed overrated? I'm speechless. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2004 : 18:51:58
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VU rocks.
As do REM's covers of a couple of UV tunes.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 03:10:19
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David Bowie has played some Velvets songs, like 'White Light..' or 'Waiting for the Man' more often than the band did themselves.
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Posted - 09/13/2004 : 03:46:13
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They are both very good! David Bowie and V.U.
Eu estava perdida mas agora encontrei-me... |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 10:18:09
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Originally posted by slaveish
yeah, two things- Cheeseman, you must be joking that you find FB's references shocking. His music is FULL of them, through the Pixies and solo work and Catholics. You can pick them out one after another- Ramones, Beatles, Roxy Music, Cure, etc., etc.
Yeah yeah - wasn't serious, don't worry.
Don't make me bring up my dissertation here...
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 10:47:03
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No, do please bring it up. You did your dissertation on a music-related matter? I'd be interested to learn more.
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Jonathan Bennett
- FB Fan -
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 12:18:17
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I thought Rock and Roll by VU was ripped off by the stones with sympathy for the devil? is it the other way around.
Oh and the Velvet Underground are amazing. Try to think about when they wrote/recorded what they recorded. It still sounds good, but back then it was totally different and new. That goes a long way in any sort of artwork.
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 15:07:42
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Yeah, what'd ya do your dissertation on? I'm just guessing--
The Influence of Lou Reed's Lyrics on Rock-and-Roll Music and Popular Culture from 1963 to Present: A Qualitative Survey
(much more interesting than mine!)
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 17:26:41
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Hey far out!! thanks for the link:)
and, come on, I wasn't THAT far off!!! |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 20:43:03
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| ok, this is kinda off topic but in a weird six degrees of separation. I got turned on to Bowie after hearing Bauhaus' cover of Ziggy Stardust... then 15 years later... Bowie is covering a song I know well .. Cactus... it's just a cool form of flattery |
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twist
- FB Fan -
USA
191 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 22:02:52
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Originally posted by VoVat
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None of us would be here today if it weren't for the Velvets
On this forum, or alive on Earth?
I meant none of us would have brains that work the way they do. we wouldn't be here culturally. The Velvets were supremely influential.
The bass line in the modern lovers astral plane is exactly the same as the blues mgoos we ain't got nothing yet, methinks that was a rip. and george harrisons' my sweet lord is the ronetts he's so fine reworked. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
4233 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 23:20:49
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Originally posted by twist
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Originally posted by VoVat
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None of us would be here today if it weren't for the Velvets
On this forum, or alive on Earth?
I meant none of us would have brains that work the way they do. we wouldn't be here culturally. The Velvets were supremely influential.
The bass line in the modern lovers astral plane is exactly the same as the blues mgoos we ain't got nothing yet, methinks that was a rip. and george harrisons' my sweet lord is the ronetts he's so fine reworked.
and what would we be without the Pixies? |
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switchy
- Gigographer -
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2004 : 23:58:23
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Originally posted by Jonathan Bennett
I thought Rock and Roll by VU was ripped off by the stones with sympathy for the devil? is it the other way around.
well, there's a nice medley of those 2 songs on the first Jane's Addiction album.
As for VU/Pixies, everytime i hear the guitar solo between the fast and slow parts of "The Sad Punk", I start singing "Femme Fatale" ("..she's going to play you for a fool.. it's true") |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
4233 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2004 : 00:22:06
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Originally posted by switchy
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Originally posted by Jonathan Bennett
I thought Rock and Roll by VU was ripped off by the stones with sympathy for the devil? is it the other way around.
well, there's a nice medley of those 2 songs on the first Jane's Addiction album.
As for VU/Pixies, everytime i hear the guitar solo between the fast and slow parts of "The Sad Punk", I start singing "Femme Fatale" ("..she's going to play you for a fool.. it's true")
YES! that's true! everybody was laughing at me when I was comparing the quiet part of Sad Punk to that Velvet song! |
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Douglas
= Cult of Ray =
Sweden
308 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2004 : 01:35:00
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Originally posted by twist
[brThe bass line in the modern lovers astral plane is exactly the same as the blues mgoos we ain't got nothing yet,
and Astral Plane, my friend, is one helluva song!  |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2004 : 10:55:58
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Originally posted by cassandra is
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Originally posted by switchy
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Originally posted by Jonathan Bennett
I thought Rock and Roll by VU was ripped off by the stones with sympathy for the devil? is it the other way around.
well, there's a nice medley of those 2 songs on the first Jane's Addiction album.
As for VU/Pixies, everytime i hear the guitar solo between the fast and slow parts of "The Sad Punk", I start singing "Femme Fatale" ("..she's going to play you for a fool.. it's true")
YES! that's true! everybody was laughing at me when I was comparing the quiet part of Sad Punk to that Velvet song!
Damn! It's posts like these two that keep me hooked, guys. I thought I was the only one who heard that in her head every damned time I played Sad Punk. Thank you, brothers and sisters!!!!!!!
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MrSelfDestruct
- FB Fan -
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2004 : 14:54:43
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Transformer is an amazing album. "Perfect Day" is my favorite song.
[quote]Originally posted by misleadtheworld
HEY, I like Transformer.
..and anyway, wasn't Simon being sarcastic?
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
4233 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2004 : 02:33:32
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I like Transformer too, but I prefer Berlin: more melancholic and ambitious accoring to me
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/15/2004 : 06:00:18
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Originally posted by cassandra is
I like Transformer too, but I prefer Berlin: more melancholic and ambitious accoring to me
Oh, I so love Berlin. It has to be my favorite album ever. It's so bizzare... almost unbarable to listen... but that's probably why I like it so much 
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
4233 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2004 : 06:15:47
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yes, dirty, unhealthy, depressing but gorgeous, the perfect record to listen on dark rainy day
pas de bras pas de chocolat |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2004 : 09:57:45
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Berlin is incredible. One of my favorite records ever. Transformer is briliant as well and don't forget New York. Ah, I like Lou Reed.
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Smart Alec
- FB Fan -
Netherlands
41 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2004 : 23:33:21
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Straying from Lou Reed & VU, I would like to return to the base of the topic and add that "New House of the Pope" really reminded me of Tom Waits' "Chocolate Jesus"
"I smell smoke..." |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 10:59:26
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New House of the Pope made me re-re-re-re-reacquaint myself with fine wine. That is another thing I thank Charles for.
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 04:00:21
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I don't like any of the REM VU covers I have heard. Of course I've only heard a handful--the ones on Dead Letter Office, and some other live bootleggy ones.
I can totally understand people thinking VU is bland and not appreciating them, especially based on VU & Nico, which, while having its share of goodness (OK, lot's of it--it's a big record), has its bland moments. Of course now I forget which songs were actually on the record and which are just on disc 2 of the boxed set. But Nico is about as acquired of a taste as there is for vocalists, in my opinion. She added to a couple VU songs, probably: Chelsea Girls, Femme Fatale, but I consider her more eye candy than musical ability. And I think I have read something to a similar effect being said by Lou Reed--not that he didn't appreciate her, but it was more "Andy wanted us to have a girl singer, so we obliged" (with a tall, beautiful scandinavian model).
My favorite records are the 2nd and 3rd ones, White Light/White Heat and the eponymous one. To me that "I'm Set Free" solo is magical. It is so simple, especially with Mo Tucker just thumping that drum; and it's really earnest and sincere, and echoes so nicely with that reverb.
Speaking of "Here Comes Your Man" and along the Lou Reed vein (pun unintended initially), since I have never made heads or tails of Black Francis' lyrics to it, I have often wondered if it could be a veiled nod to "Waiting For The Man."
"He's never early, he's always late--first thing you learn is you always gotta wait. I'm waiting for my man"
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"There is a wait so long. You never wait so long. Here comes your man."
I don't really know why or how it would be connected beyond Lou saying "I'm waiting for my man" and Frank saying "here comes your man" but it has always been in the back of the mind.
Oh and check out this contrivance: "He comes, he's all dressed in Black. PR shoes, and a big straw hat."
Black Francis, whose music was practically born in Puerto Rico.
Of course Here Comes Your Man also reminds me of a chapter from the Grapes of Wrath. For some reason.
Berlin makes me want to kill myself. I guess it's poignant, and you're supposed to WANT to listen to it, in its melancholy despair, and appreciate it or something. I admit, it is really good sounding, but I just can't really absorb the record without seriously getting depressed. Transformer is super though.
Of course Lou Reed's best song (no one can dispute this) is by far "Last Great American Whale." Now there's a masterpiece.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 11:31:22
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Originally posted by johndietzel
I don't like any of the REM VU covers I have heard. Of course I've only heard a handful--the ones on Dead Letter Office, and some other live bootleggy ones.
I can totally understand people thinking VU is bland and not appreciating them, especially based on VU & Nico, which, while having its share of goodness (OK, lot's of it--it's a big record), has its bland moments. Of course now I forget which songs were actually on the record and which are just on disc 2 of the boxed set. But Nico is about as acquired of a taste as there is for vocalists, in my opinion. She added to a couple VU songs, probably: Chelsea Girls, Femme Fatale, but I consider her more eye candy than musical ability. And I think I have read something to a similar effect being said by Lou Reed--not that he didn't appreciate her, but it was more "Andy wanted us to have a girl singer, so we obliged" (with a tall, beautiful scandinavian model).
My favorite records are the 2nd and 3rd ones, White Light/White Heat and the eponymous one. To me that "I'm Set Free" solo is magical. It is so simple, especially with Mo Tucker just thumping that drum; and it's really earnest and sincere, and echoes so nicely with that reverb.
Speaking of "Here Comes Your Man" and along the Lou Reed vein (pun unintended initially), since I have never made heads or tails of Black Francis' lyrics to it, I have often wondered if it could be a veiled nod to "Waiting For The Man."
"He's never early, he's always late--first thing you learn is you always gotta wait. I'm waiting for my man"
AND
"There is a wait so long. You never wait so long. Here comes your man."
I don't really know why or how it would be connected beyond Lou saying "I'm waiting for my man" and Frank saying "here comes your man" but it has always been in the back of the mind.
Oh and check out this contrivance: "He comes, he's all dressed in Black. PR shoes, and a big straw hat."
Black Francis, whose music was practically born in Puerto Rico.
Of course Here Comes Your Man also reminds me of a chapter from the Grapes of Wrath. For some reason.
Berlin makes me want to kill myself. I guess it's poignant, and you're supposed to WANT to listen to it, in its melancholy despair, and appreciate it or something. I admit, it is really good sounding, but I just can't really absorb the record without seriously getting depressed. Transformer is super though.
Of course Lou Reed's best song (no one can dispute this) is by far "Last Great American Whale." Now there's a masterpiece.
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"In a world . . . one man . . . the true meaning . . ."
Hard to disagree with your astute comments. Gonna go put on some of that
there music right now. Thanks.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 21:24:28
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John... I really like your interpretation that Here Comes Your Man could be based on Waiting on My Man. That is cool and I can totally see how FBF would come up with that now that you mention it.
As far as Grapes of Wrath Goes, I love that book but I am very rusty. I only remember the last scene with Rose of Sharon and then them driving in the dust bowl. Anyway-- great thoughts. |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 11:31:29
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Of course Lou Reed's best song (no one can dispute this) is by far "Last Great American Whale." Now there's a masterpiece.
Damn how I love that song. Mo Tucker's drumming on that song is stunning. Lyrically amongst Reed's best.
Simon, the guitar melody on Groop Dogdrill's On Me Not In Me is a slower version taken from Midnight Oil's Best Of Both Worlds. Dogdrill: Thief!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 12:10:11
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I like Midnight Oil. Am I the only one?
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switchy
- Gigographer -
USA
324 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 13:04:49
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| no, i really really like a handful of Midnight Oil songs. |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 13:10:45
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I more than like Midnight Oil. Many brilliant albums.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 05:20:09
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The elusive Switchy makes a rare appearance -- and once again shows his great taste in music.
And is it not surprising that Wilhelm likes these guys, too? They've had some great songs.
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Black Francis: Thief!
