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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
 Posted - 09/06/2004 : 15:38:03
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The Velvet Underground: I'm Set Free (guitar solo)
Pixies: Havalina
Shocking.
Kind regards,
Dr. Simon
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2004 : 22:28:52
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So are you gonna bust him and make Lou Reed press charges??  |
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Alpha Soixante
- FB Fan -
Canada
129 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 05:32:11
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It's okay. Lou's a thief too.
Velvet Underground: Sweet Jane
Tommy James & the Shondells: Crimson and Clover
Now that's shocking. |
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Conrad
- FB Fan -
Iceland
89 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 06:32:58
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Hey, this could be a nice game.
You had me at "Los Angeles"
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 09:43:54
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| Maybe one of us should tell Lou Reed... maybe there is a reward. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 12:46:18
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Lou Reed can kiss my ass. Well overrated.
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 14:44:02
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Agreed
The Truth Is Out There |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 14:51:39
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Yeah, icon of alternative rock.
Preposterous.
The Velvet Underground surely suck, they were in no way the major instigators of alternative music and are in no way influential.
Lou Reed is of course not one of the great songwriters of the last 50 years.[/sarcastic font]
 So, I finally got my X-Wing |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2004 : 16:28:59
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hahahahaha
The Truth Is Out There |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 06:04:18
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| Preach on, Cheese! Amen Amen! |
Edited by - tobafett on 09/08/2004 06:04:44 |
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1222 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 06:18:48
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HEY, I like Transformer.
..and anyway, wasn't Simon being sarcastic?
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Lou Reed can kiss my ass.
You've heard about him and Bowie then, hmm? |
Edited by - misleadtheworld on 09/08/2004 06:20:07 |
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Black_francis_
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
157 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 11:20:49
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| I cant believe you guys, Lou reed is a god - and Velvet underground one of the greatest bands ever |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 13:24:49
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| Often, quoting a song is done intentionally. |
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The OK Pope
- FB Fan -
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 14:00:35
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Velvet Underground is, without a doubt, the most overrated band ever.
But I guess people dig your music if you're a self-proclaimed genius. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 14:47:14
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The most over-rated band ever is probably Oasis. They suck, and everyone knows they suck, and still: over-rated.
I wondered if it was intentional. I guess its more likely than not, Mr T is a pretty clever guy with the whole songwriting thing. The opening chord of Here Comes Your Man, for example - nicked wholesale from A Hard Days Night maybe, but when the whole song is a clear Beatles tribute it all makes sense.
So, I finally got my X-Wing |
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 15:10:59
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I don't know how you can say the VU are overrated. I'm not a huge fan of Lou Reed's post VU work or really the man himself, however his work with the Velvet Underground is absolutly amazing.
In my opinion of course...
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2004 : 16:53:32
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Frank stole everything he knew from some janitor in Puerto Rico.
Brick is red, and Hitler's dead. Hang me! |
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 00:15:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Soixante
It's okay. Lou's a thief too.
Velvet Underground: Sweet Jane
Tommy James & the Shondells: Crimson and Clover
Now that's shocking.
Lol you noticed that too. I thought I was the only one.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 00:23:47
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The cool thing is one way to look at it is are they thiefs or paying tribute?? Took a very transformational class Popular mus. in the 20th century in college... taught by an amazing musicologist... it's all been borrowed... from here and there... and gets passed along throughout time. I would say if it was "stolen" or heavily borrowed its from african-american community.
Can't say anything about LR as a person because I don't know him... but as a musican he rocks! Awesome voice, lyrics, image and music. |
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Posted - 09/09/2004 : 00:47:31
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I can´t understand why some people don´t like VU and Lou Reed!
They were so great at their time, for me they were just like a band that if didnt exist, music wouldn´t be the same in our days!
And I also think that FB must have done it intentionally!
Eu estava perdida mas agora encontrei-me... |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 01:48:49
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I suppose that some people expect a little more when they listen to 'legends' like VU for the first time.
I love their music though, and so does Charles. |
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
474 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 07:30:54
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Wow, I can not believe what I am reading in this thread. Granted, Lou Reed's work past the Velvet Underground wasn't the greatest but how can you deny that the Velvet Underground were an incredible band? I'm curious, for anyone who's commenting about how much the think they suck, what songs/albums have you heard? If it's not much more than Sweet Jane/Loaded you really haven't really heard what they sound like.
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Posted - 09/09/2004 : 09:03:14
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Yes! I couldn´t beleive what I was reading in this thread too. And I just love the Velvet Underground too!
Eu estava perdida mas agora encontrei-me... |
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Alpha Soixante
- FB Fan -
Canada
129 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 09:58:13
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"We're going to be those people that people are going to emulate and use as a stepping stone. I foresaw us being the Velvet Underground or something. I didn't trust anybody who didn't listen to the Velvet Underground."
--Joey Santiago
Smart man, that Joey. And a prophet, no less. |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 10:58:32
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 Hahaha How far we have come... Arguing whether or not the Velvet Underground is overrated! I hear in the old days people actually left the room when they started playing.
Anyways, even though I like the Velvets very much, I can understand why some people don’t. Still it’s a funny discussion.
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DruggedBunny
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
395 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 14:30:53
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The VU did some *really* cool stuff, but they also did a whole lot of utter boring *shite*. I know, because I had to sit through it waiting for an FB & the Cs gig to start once.
Lou Reed himself is way, way, *way* over-rated, despite having done some really good songs.
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
474 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2004 : 18:21:14
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Originally posted by DruggedBunny
The VU did some *really* cool stuff, but they also did a whole lot of utter boring *shite*. I know, because I had to sit through it waiting for an FB & the Cs gig to start once.
I don't mean to sound arrogant but IMHO listening to a band once doesn't give you a good enough impression of whether they're good or not.
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The OK Pope
- FB Fan -
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2004 : 21:50:09
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Originally posted by mattb
Wow, I can not believe what I am reading in this thread. Granted, Lou Reed's work past the Velvet Underground wasn't the greatest but how can you deny that the Velvet Underground were an incredible band? I'm curious, for anyone who's commenting about how much the think they suck, what songs/albums have you heard? If it's not much more than Sweet Jane/Loaded you really haven't really heard what they sound like.
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I've heard "Velvet Underground and Nico" in its entirity.
The album was downright cheesy and bland. I found the "vocals" absolutely unbearable to listen to. |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/11/2004 : 04:01:54
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Okay, as I said, I can understand why some don't like the VU, but "cheesy"?? "Bland"?? Are you sure we're talking about the same "VU&Nico"?
Maybe you should listen to it again. (Try to pretend it's "VU sans Nico").
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2004 : 05:26:45
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Try to put it in context as well: when was that album released, 1967 or something? There was nothing quite like Heroin or European Son then, was there?
So, I finally got my X-Wing |
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broken part
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 09/11/2004 : 20:25:38
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| I really liked the influence John Cale brought to VU. The electric viola on Venus in Furs and European Son sounds amaizing and back in the sixties must have really shocked people, or maybe not as much as The Gift concept. After he left they never really recaptured that pulsating frenzied sound. |
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twist
- FB Fan -
USA
191 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2004 : 20:51:26
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Rock, like chess has a limited number of moves, and as there are chess games that have never been played, there are unending combinations of the textures of Rock. There are marketing formulators out there, Frank's not one of them. There is such a thing as unintentional plagiarism.
None of us would be here today if it weren't for the Velvets, whether you like 'em or not they were very germinal.
VU were inspired by the Fugs. Who were inspired by the beats. Who were inspired by working in fire lookouts. Which were inspired the tower of Babylon. Which was built by a guy named Nimrod. Who inspired a guy named Charles to write a song.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2004 : 22:10:26
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None of us would be here today if it weren't for the Velvets
On this forum, or alive on Earth?
Brick is red, and Hitler's dead. Hang me! |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2004 : 06:12:21
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I wanna be a singer like Lou Reed, I like Lou Reed
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
Edited by - kathryn on 09/12/2004 06:13:16 |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2004 : 10:57:07
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
I wanna be a singer like Lou Reed, I like Lou Reed
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank
It's funny... I had heard a little about VU before then mostly because I love Andy Warhol. I even saw Dirty Blvd. on 120 minutes and loved it... but that line made me check them out and buy the banana peel cd. I totally dig them. Sweet Jane and Heroin are my favorites. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2004 : 14:07:56
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Originally posted by broken part
I really liked the influence John Cale brought to VU. The electric viola on Venus in Furs and European Son sounds amaizing and back in the sixties must have really shocked people, or maybe not as much as The Gift concept. After he left they never really recaptured that pulsating frenzied sound.
Ever heard Tony Conrad, broken part?
Eek! Run for the hills!
So, I finally got my X-Wing |
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