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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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 Posted - 07/31/2004 : 05:53:30
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To finish that sterile debate about beauty, I think that the most important thing is that beauty lies in the eye. It's not the object but the way you look at it that creates beauty. Baudelaire wrote a beautiful poem about a corpse of a dead dog. Slicing up eyeballs can be beautiful. And the way you look at things is quite personal, it depends on the period you're living in, your social status, your personal experience, your level of education etc. All these things can - and should - be discussed, but you cannot say that there is ONE truth.
So Ebb, I agree with you when you say that just saying "i like it" is stupid, because people who say that don't try to shift themselves from their particular status to another one and see how it can be beautiful in another context. But I disagree when you say it's objective - it's just an effort to reach other subjectivities. This is what art is about - making different subjectivities communicate. Worth living for. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 05:59:11
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This thread's moved away from the original topic
but here goes anyway:
I'd never negatively judge someone based on race, creed,
sexual orientation or nationality. Yet, I constantly judge people
based on their musical preference.
Example: I assume that country music fans are
stupid. Often, I find out that I'm wrong -- they're
nice and smart and I'm prejudiced. And many is the
time that I love the same music as people I dislike.
Still, it's hard to keep an open mind upon discovering
that someone's a String Cheese Incident or Clay Aiken
or Pink fan.
There...my dirty secret is out.
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 06:11:16
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It's all about correlations. I wouldn't bother if my g/f listened to Pink, when she is alone. But the thing is, there is a strong correlation between being stupid and loving Pink. The music you listen to is a statement. So I guess that there are chances her opinions would be really dumb.
However, kathryn, I must admit that I judge girls by their sexual orientation. |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 06:51:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur
Hey, I like Ramazzotti!
Se basta se una bellaaaaaa canzoneeeeeeeeee
Sorry, I'm already married.
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Everything I say to you is gonna come out wrong anyway |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 08:04:19
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 09:14:51
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thanks for still not understanding what i was saying monsieur. it was not a debate about beauty. way to go. |
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 09:16:44
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*ding*
Bell rings
Round two...
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 10:23:58
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 10:50:21
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Originally posted by jediroller
We've been married for 11 years and I can't remember a single music-related fight.
i don't think i've ever been in a music-related fight, but i think the playing of a Sinead O'Conner cd on a road trip (by her) did, unconsciously or not, contribute to an argument we had, which, ultimately, was the beginning of our demise.
don't underestimate the power of bad music.
i do judge people by music too, but i don't like dating someone who is a carbon copy of myself. my current girlfriend has VERY similar taste in music. it's almost scary. but it is a benefit to the relationshiop. we're interested in going to the same shows together, we have a similar philosophy about music, and it's a big part of our lives really. she's one of the few girls i've met who's actually really into music.
but then, she likes Wilco. so we do have our differences too. variety is the spice of life.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 11:00:27
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I think it's nice when your music tastes are in the same vein but with the odd difference, gives you an opportunity to learn from each other and discover new things together, I couldn't see myself with anyone not at least as into music as I am, I just don't think they'd understand me at all if they weren't
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 11:42:30
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Cher Monsieur,
I bet you do judge women by their sexual orientation,
you rascal you! No pun intended, it comes with the territory
when you're a hetero male, I am told.
Hey, a backhanded-compliment kind of question: why
is your English so good? Have you lived in the States or UK
or what? I have not been on the forum long so I am unfamiliar
with the lore of monsieur. Just wondering...
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 11:51:03
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fetch your coat monsieur! You've pulled
( )
Frank Black ate my Hamster
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 11:59:29
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Why my English is so good is one of those questions that make me insomniac. Like "why am i so smart?", "why am i so handsome?" or " why am i so successful?"
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 12:07:16
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***sigh***
what a guy....
*flutters eyelashes*
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darkoutsider
= Cult of Ray =
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 12:16:13
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I thought I was the only one that felt this way. I thought I was alone on this. I thought I was shallow. I'm just a music nerd, well music whore. I dated some one that couldn't stand The Pixies and David Bowie. I dropped her soon after. I ditched this one girl that thought Floyd was boring and blew off this other girl that thought Buddy Holly was too old. I thought I was picky, but I guess I'm not the only one.
~*We lost contact and I hope that you don't mind. I was trying to save us both some time.*~ |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 12:59:49
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Tonight I'm going out, and I'll be wearing a Belle and Sebastian t-shirt, just to see if I can catch a girl with a good taste in music, not only a good taste in boys.
I'm really sory about my pretentious jokes. But hey, I'm French! |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2004 : 13:05:06
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Oh, to get back to the topic, I remember I was once talking to this VERY cute girl from Manchester, and I tried to start a conversation by saying how I liked music from Manchester, the Smiths, Happy Mondays, New Order etc. Then she told me she was more into Beyoncé.
Wrong approach. I should have told her my Daddy is rich.
How come that the most beautiful girls have bad taste in music, but they somehow always manage to dress well. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2004 : 05:36:07
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Originally posted by Monsieur
Oh, to get back to the topic, I remember I was once talking to this VERY cute girl from Manchester, and I tried to start a conversation by saying how I liked music from Manchester, the Smiths, Happy Mondays, New Order etc. Then she told me she was more into Beyoncé.
Wrong approach. I should have told her my Daddy is rich.
How come that the most beautiful girls have bad taste in music, but they somehow always manage to dress well.
If guys want to ogle Beyoncé, that's fine but anybody who listens to Beyoncé, especially female, deserves to be dumped on the spot.
But don't be talking trash about "the most beautiful women having bad taste in music," M., for you have not met every single beautiful woman. Some beautiful women adore Frank. ; )
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 05:51:57
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yeah, are you suggesting we girls with good taste in music are ugly?
*scowls*
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 06:36:21
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Yeah, are you? Huh, are you?
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 06:41:57
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Kathryn how about we form a beautiful girls with good taste in music against silly boys club, we can have meetings and minutes and badges and plans and hunt down boys and show them both out beauty and our good taste in music then deny it to them
mua ha ha ha ha
bagsie chairwoman dictator for life!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 06:46:13
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OK, except for the deny them our love part!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 06:47:53
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And the part where I'm happily married.
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 06:58:27
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Well you don't have to tell them that, flaunt your beauty and impeccable music tastes, let them fall head over heels and realise the error of their silly boy ways, then point out you're happily married, stick out your tongue and run away, I believe that constitutes a plan! This club rules!
I'm going to work on badge designs ()
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Bryan Shepherd
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 07:17:20
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I'm dizzy from this topic. My thoughts:
1. There isn't one band/singer/composer/whatever that doesn't suck, objectively or subjectively.
2. I love good good music, I love good bad music. I hate bad good music, I hate bad bad music.
3. My current beau isn't interested in AC/DC. Couldn't care less. While I'm not a mega-fan, I just can't understand that. It's like saying "I don't like rock music." We get along just fine.
4. Please hold your superior comments about morons who like AC/DC. A true art lover should be able to appreciate at least some of the populist stuff, too. Too many people who are "really into" music/movies/literature will dismiss something because it's popular. Some work in the system, some work outside of it. Don't be a snob!
5. For those about to rock....................................................................FIRE!
 I'm the guy from wonderland...& you will never understand... |
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gracie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 08:03:59
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To have a partner who has the same or similar tastes is a bonus. My boyfriend and i like the same kind of music but ultimately it doesn't really matter.
I had a friend who was a complete Nazi with music, anyone who didn't like the Pixies, Nick Drake, Nick Cave etc were cunts with no taste . However, he ended up with a girlfriend who liked Ash. How do you explain that?
So to conclude you are attracted to others for many reason and whether relationships work or don't work doesn't really have much to do with whether they like Frank Black. I think for men especially its not that important as sex and getting as much of it as possible is the ultimate aim, musical taste comes way down the list. |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2004 : 09:30:49
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Hey, I like Ash AND Nick Drake! AND George Michael.
OK, there are some beautiful girls with good music tastes, I agree. Don't make that club against me, please. I am facing enough hostility in my life like this.
But one question remains - those beautiful girls who know how to dress well but listen to Beyoncé. |
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 09:38:25
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they are simple of brain and their cooler older lady mums dressed them. Problem solved
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 10:50:05
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Originally posted by Monsieur
I was dating this girl, Elle McPherson. Turned out she liked the Breeders more than Frank Black. I dumped her, not without slapping her in the face, of course.
That' why I am now dating her.
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2004 : 11:34:16
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Because I slapped her?
Mikey, you are a real gentleman! |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 11:42:50
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I never told this story, not sure if it will be as funny as I think it is... (it has nothing to do with a girlfriend, rather a former co-worker)
So I was at work and this rich snobby girl, from the snobby rich college, was on her first day back at work for the summer. I call it work, I guess you could say that's what she did? Anyway, she was doing a horrible job. My food was dying in the window. So I was all over her case, yelling at her and shit. And she insulted me several times, warranting this behavior. I got manic on her shit for something little or stupid that she had said, I think it was when she called me an asshole. You know, just because I am yelling at you because you are doing a horrible job, I never called you a stupid bitch or anything... that just made me more mad...
So she and I are pretty pissed at each other and it's the end of the night. I'm listening to a Grandaddy CD and she's like, "Who are we listening to?" she says with obvious contempt. I told her who it was and she was like, "Ew, is it from the sixties!" I explained to her that it was indeed modern. She fucking busted on Granddaddy right in front of my face. I wanted to throw a pie in her face and run her pearl necklace bitch ass through the dish machine. I was able to restrain myself.
So the next time we work together I asked her what she like to listen to... All I heard was Blink 182, Mathcbox 20 and I nearly spit out my drink and laughed in her face. Instead I thought, man, she's really into some old school music. They go way back. Shit man. that shit was like the late 90's and shit.
I love that story. I hope you made it through and can share in my contempt for her. Oh well, she just happens to be as horrible a waitress as her taste in music reflects. That was the clincher for me. I thought I didn't like her really, that's all I needed for evidence.
And busting on Granddaddy? I mean, fair enough if you don't like them, but they're not horrible.. one my faves actually...
Anyway...
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronkenhehehahhahehehaha |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2004 : 11:50:59
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Grandaddy are one of the best bands in the world, and that girl is a little bitch.
Here, LBF, feeling better?
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usedtobenavajo
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 21:22:30
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My vision of romantic love is inseperable from music.
I am madly in love with the singer from my band. (She doesnt know this)
So Im headed for the stereo store, to get a white noise maker, and turn it up to ten. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2004 : 12:02:29
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Vanessa Carlton is Michelle Branch's piano-playing, non-slutty alterego. I mean, they look pretty much identical.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 12:47:46
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Just for the record, Floop deleted his post in which he said I should have "spit in her face at least"
I can undersatnd why he deleted it.
And I wouldn't do that anyway
I can't get fired... I had to resign, so I could keep the insurance
anyway
that was an aside
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronkenhehehahhahehehaha |
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