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El Barto
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 Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:06:16
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What the fuck is your problem Jim? Anyone else you would like to have a go at this month? And don't repeat what you just already put, there's more to this than that. A lot of people have stuck up for you lately so show some fucking respect.
Why do all the arguments on this forum usually invole you? Time to have a look at yourself I think. Long and hard. Most people like to come here and get along with others, despite what slightly annoying traits they may have. They don't start having a go about it. Your out of order. Simple as.
I'll make another topic as to not further ruin the other topic. Why do arguments involve me? Because I'm the one willing to speak up. Granted, I didn't use the best words possible, but there's a message to be said. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way about all these threads going off topic, but I won't speak for anyone else. If they choose to say anything, so be it, but let it be known that there are a good amount of people who are sick of 95% of the topics being derailed.
I'm only having a go at those who are most responsible for it, and that would include you and Tre and Gypsy and Cheeseman (sometimes) and bumble (sometimes). I don't see what's so hard about you guys starting your own thread to talk back and forth in instead of ruining other threads with your personal back and forth chat. There's a difference between going off topic (to a different topic) and derailing a thread for your own personal chat, turning it into a chatroom or IM session. That music thread is a PERFECT example of it.
Around the birth of the forum, we had the Henhouse thread for back and forth chat, raunchy chat, etc. etc. and that worked out perfectly. Why don't you take the liberty in starting your own similar thread?
I apologize for wording my response the way I did, but frustration does that to a guy.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:10:23
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a good amount sick of it... yet it would look like most of the regular posters are actually doing it
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mun chien andalusia
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:16:20
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actually i was thinking about derailing topics (i'm not innocent myself) and it is true. almost all topics end up in chat noise that prevents most people from posting something relevant. i don't take it that much at heart (it's just a forum after all) but i'm with el barto on this. it's simply bad manners.
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:22:36
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I did type a really long response to this but I am not gonna post it 'cos I am not interested in becoming the latest person you pick a fight with.
I am sorry for derailing topics if it bothers people, but I doubt I will stop it completely.
Now Jim, go and deal with your real problems, 'cos they are obviously beginning to spill over into here, a place where people supported you (including myself and all the people you mentioned in your post). If you don't like me then fine, that's your decision, but I am not gonna be able to make you like me now, so I am not gonna try (I know you are not asking me to).
Oh and thanks for not sending an email to me instead of trying to embarrass me on the forum, in front of people I really like and try to get along with. That was nice of you. You must be very proud.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:23:32
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bad manners?
and the torrent of abuse recieved wasn't? I always thought the internet was a way of aquiring information and making connections that you wouldn't otherwise make. I enjoy the random derailment, it's interesting and funny and is possibly the best way of seeing what a person is like and whether they are worth getting to know. The impassioned responses of opinions are a starter but humour compatability is fairly indicitive of a persons outlook and attitude. And I don't think it prevents anyone from doing anything. One of the reasons I use this section of the forum most, the off topic general chat section that is, is because I enjoy the off topic general chat.
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cvanepps
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 09:47:34
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I'm guilty of attempting to start tangents in established threads, but only because that's how my goofy mind works.
Hey, anyone interested in that new miniseries on USA called The 4400? It looks pretty good. It's a 6 episode show and the premise is pretty interesting. Check it out.
http://www.the4400.com
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 10:33:53
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run away train never going back.... wrong way down a one way track... looks like i should be getting somewhere.... right now it's neither here nor there......
c'mon.... sing with me
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ShakeyShake
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 10:37:18
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Um..I don't really care about topics being.."derailed" I mean after all,It's only a topic
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 10:40:45
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A good point well made, and one I was gonna make originally. People do it to my topics all the time. I don't mind at all. There are lot more serious things to worry about than having a go at people and trying to start arguments over something so petty.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 10:53:23
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I don't think it's the fact that threads go of topic now and then. That's gonna happen, and sometimes it gets interesting.
What's annoying is back to back to back, short 3 to 6 word posts that involve chat room style banter between a few forum members. In this case it's not even going off topic because it's not even a topic when nothing is being discussed.
I have to agree with Jim for the most part..
And HPM, I wouldn't call derailing topcis "petty." There are thousands of forum members here and hundreds of frequent posters. Unnecessary banter probably pisses off more than just a few people.
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 10:55:47
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And I'm not completely condemning silly talk. Random silly posts are good occasionally. As long as they have at least some relevance or can make the majority of readers giggle somewhat.
Unfortunately, lately I haven't been getting a kick out of many of the silly posts.
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:00:38
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I hope I am right in assuming you haven't read the 'I Am Tired Of Music' topic, and therefore are not aware of how this was brought up?
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ProverbialCereal
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:12:47
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You'd be assuming wrong.
Why would it matter if I read that topic or not? That's my opinion of derailing topics no matter how it was brought up.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:21:33
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And I would imagine more than a few people are guilty of it what shocks me most in this is the double standards..
and like I think i posted previously what may not be funny to one person is funny to other people and this is how we find out who will get along, then maybe such banter will progress to people doing private chats, sorry for trying to reach out and make new friends really guys, please, and just because you haven't enjoyed it doesn't mean others haven't? Who made who the thought police here because I certainly missed that meeting
And petty it is, thousands of post yes, and many of them most of them especially in OFF TOPIC GENERAL CHAT (just making myself clear again on that point) are noise, I don't agree with what alot of people post, it bugs me when a thread gets taken out by postings in languages that I can't read but do i give them shit for it, no, it's just a fucking forum.
What really gets on my tits, is unnesecary verbal from people who are pissed off it seems to me because they aren't getting involved and just don't get on with the joking, the kind of verbal where some petty antagonist airs his laundry in public giving everyone involved shit.... could this not have been done in private too... does this not make him as bad as us merry japesters hmm? It's not ok for us to prat around in public but it is ok for him to put us down?
I hope to god this place does not turn into some straight unemotive posting board for the uninspired I really do
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:23:00
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I just find it a shame that the way it was brought up is not considered wrong. You have offered your opinion on the subject and that's fine. But the way this was done was wrong, plain and simple and I would have thought that was worth mentioning. If you don't agree that it was wrong then you are as bad as he is. I just don't see the attraction in doing what he has done. I fear for the atmosphere in here now. A real shame. I wonder if he is proud of that.
I really don't see why this topic had to be started. It should have been done by email, or at least in a more courteous manner.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:36:22
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Why do you guys have to fucking derail another thread with your stupid bullshit? Seriously? Make your own thread for your shit, it's getting old
just thought I should clarify what I mean by unnesecary verbal, seeing as el barto decided to open this thread with a quote I thought it'd be a good idea to let everyone know the protagonist for the opener... the derailment that began it all (I'm tired of music) was a series of three word piss takes about six in total that I was involved in and was certainly most amused by
and yet again sorry if you don't like it but it aint too hard to just scroll your cursor down is it?
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:38:12
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and the henhouse, yeah that worked.. where is it again????
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:38:44
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Originally posted by Tre
and yet again sorry if you don't like it but it aint too hard to just scroll your cursor down is it?
But I think the point is that even when you scroll down there's hardly anything (if anything at all) about the original topic. The point is that it's been derailed, I guess.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:40:21
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but the point of the topic is there if you scroll your cursor up! Nothing is stopping anyone from ressurecting it.. threads die without people bantering in them, threads die with banter.. there is nothing to read into this
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:44:43
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Huh..I guess another point is that some of us don't think threads should need to be "ressurected". I mean, they're no Jesus after all. It must be tough on em...
Really, though...
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 11:58:04
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oh for god sake Jim.
I can to a certain extent see where you are coming from, however your constant going on about it is not making things any better, and yet again you go about it in the wrong way, getting peoples backs up in the mean while.
Im sure some forum members have been annoyed by some 'derailment' of various topics, but its funny that when others do it no one says anything, but now its us 'englanders' you get all handbags at dawn about it. hmm.
If you had a real problem with it then you should have emailed the people in which you had a problem with, and resolved it that way.
Incase you ahdnt noticed, for the past week the LONDON MEET thread ahs changed to 'london post meet general chat', in an effort to contain our banter with in here.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:01:42
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Huh..I guess another point is that some of us don't think threads should need to be "ressurected". I mean, they're no Jesus after all. It must be tough on em...
Really, though...
"Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - Funkadelic
The thread is like a train, people climb on board and if it goes down a slightly different track people can still climb on board... no one stops anyone doing anything.
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:04:51
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better call the ranger
got a train derailment
better call the ranger
Maybe Charles foresaw this and wrote All Over the World for us....Not.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:09:50
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I just think if there were no larky fun and deviation the forum would read like,
TOPIC: I like Frank Black
a- I like frank black
b- I like frank black too
c- hey guys so do i
a- cool
b- cool
c- cool
a- erm....
sometimes the derailment maketh the thread..
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:11:37
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What?
What about the entire "General Chat"? Most of it is silly nonsense to begin with...
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:17:39
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yes but if everyone were forced to stick soley to the thread start opinions could not be expressed because they would differ, memories stories and emotions would be evoked that would cause a derailment reaction, I started that whole three word derailment on the other thread, calling mike a cheeky bloody monkey was not anything to do with being tired of music, it was a reaction to a previous post just as his was a reaction to a post before, and so on and so forth, a cascade affect, the only way to avoid this cascade of derailment would be to type purely in fact which would be dull.
And am I supposed to alter what I type because some people may not agree? Or like it? I'm sorry but I wasn't put on this earth to be liked by everyone, and I think my opinions and reactions are as valid as everyone on this board so I won't be a changin'
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:23:12
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Umm...
"Different Opinions" does not equal "Derailment". I think you're exaggerating what would happen..."Cheeky Bloody Monkey" had nothing to do with your "opinion" about music.
Also, "cheeky bloody monkey" isn't even a derailment if it's in context all by itself with the previous post. But it just kept on going and going; "cascading". That's what made it a "derailment".
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El Barto
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:25:38
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and the henhouse, yeah that worked.. where is it again????
Unfortunately the major contributors to that thread no longer post or post very sparingly...and again, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouths, but I know a lot of it has to do with the constant derailment of nearly every thread. If I'm wrong, please speak up.
This thread wasn't directed at just you Homer, that's why I didn't bother taking it to email. I just named those who I find to be the most guilty, not the *only* people who are guilty. I don't have access to everyone's email either. This is a public discussion. This is a problem with the forum as a whole.
As much free time as I have, I don't feel the need to go through and pull up thread after thread as an example...you can pretty much pick any topic in this area of the forum and it'll prove to be an example. There are a few good topics and discussions that actually stay on topic, and should pose a prime example for the forum (for example, "Religion is scary" and the thread about the draft).
Yes, while it is "OFF TOPIC GENERAL CHAT," that means "any topic that does not fit in one of the above categories (Frank Black, Pixies, etc.)," not "turn any thread into a chatroom." You post a topic...the point is to stay on topic and discuss it, not turn it into a party line.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:26:04
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Ok, crouton, and youre saying that you ALWAYS 100% of the time stay on topic~? erm...liar alert!
I know the point you are tryin to make, but youre not doing it very well, and leaving yourself open to critism.
(yes yes yes, I know I am aswell)
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:29:41
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As I said, a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction a cascade affect, did you not read that properly?
If it were just a matter of I think X is good well I think X is bad then there would be no derailment becasue there would be nothing to react to, If it were I think X is good because it is yellow then it could turn into I don't like yellow because my school uniform was yellow, my school uniform was green, green is a better colour, green is the colour of vomit, hey cheeky bloody monkey..... a silly example I know but you se what I mean
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:32:57
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As I said, a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction a cascade affect, did you not read that properly?
If it were just a matter of I think X is good well I think X is bad then there would be no derailment becasue there would be nothing to react to, If it were I think X is good because it is yellow then it could turn into I don't like yellow because my school uniform was yellow, my school uniform was green, green is a better colour, green is the colour of vomit, hey cheeky bloody monkey..... a silly example I know but you se what I mean
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Yes, I do see what you mean. But I think a few isolated comments like that are fine. It's just when it goes and goes and goes further off topic..which is the "cascade" effect, right? I did read...jesus.
Also, my "going and going" translates into "your reaction to a reaction to a reaction" in case that was missed...
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:34:11
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yet el barto it seems odd that the names you mention are those soley bound within the UK? And your rant did seem remarkably directed
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:36:23
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you edited. I'm confused
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:37:02
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I added "Also, my "going and going" translates into "your reaction to a reaction to a reaction" in case that was missed..."
That is all.
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:37:50
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This thread wasn't directed at just you Homer, that's why I didn't bother taking it to email. I just named those who I find to be the most guilty, not the *only* people who are guilty. I don't have access to everyone's email either. This is a public discussion. This is a problem with the forum as a whole.
As much free time as I have, I don't feel the need to go through and pull up thread after thread as an example...you can pretty much pick any topic in this area of the forum and it'll prove to be an example. There are a few good topics and discussions that actually stay on topic, and should pose a prime example for the forum (for example, "Religion is scary" and the thread about the draft).
Ah, I see your tactics have changed when argueing on the forum then? Learn from past mistakes?
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Yes, while it is "OFF TOPIC GENERAL CHAT," that means "any topic that does not fit in one of the above categories (Frank Black, Pixies, etc.)," not "turn any thread into a chatroom." You post a topic...the point is to stay on topic and discuss it, not turn it into a party line.
I agree with this.
I think in the end, a few small posts here and there have got out of hand. The fact that this does seem to happen in every thread, I agree is unacceptable.
Howevr I still stand by the fact that you could have handled this better. You and crouton.
I think right now it is better for people to agree to disagree, but the constant hi jacking IS too much, I am as guilty of that as many others are, however from past threads (not so much now as those posters who were previously guilty do not post as much now) this has been n example set, if you like, and in all honesty, this is the first time Uk members have been the main cause of the problem...wasnt mentioned when other nationalities and more high profile members were involved in such derailment of threads...
Maybe im imagining things, but thats just the way it seems.
Tre and homer - you have msn. As does many other members, and so maybe stickign to that would be best? if not then the lond thread is there...
Id just like to point out that I still agree with many of the points Mikey has made, but for now I feel that it needs to be settled. And we cant have jim upset now, can we.
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Posted - 07/11/2004 : 12:38:39
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no i meant the prior post
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