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Adam
= Cult of Ray =

USA
505 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  08:06:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is this not the best FB song ever written. There is nothing he can do in the future that will ever top this masterpiece. Kidding, I do like the song, but wouldn't call it the best ever. I bet someone on here would call it the best ever, so who are you?

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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =

USA
653 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  09:01:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I try not to look at a songwriter's songs in the way you suggest, but I must admit that there are times when I find myself listening to this track, and am convinced that the fact that it's so unusual and seemingly obtuse elevates it to a higher level of purpose and craft than many tunes which might typically be thought of as Frank's "finest moments."

Perhaps it's because of it's lyrical inscrutability and the Roxy Music / "Low"-era Bowie-ness of the production and arrangement, but I find myself doing a lot of wondering about this track and the recording session that surrounded it.

For that reason alone, I would say it's one of my all-time favorites in his back catalogue. I hate the quick fade. I wish it went on for another five minutes, 'cause I'd like to know what might have come of it.

"Then we crush the heart"

~ Peter Radiator

"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =

USA
505 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  09:30:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It really is a good whacky song to put on every now and again. I do find it very artsy and abstract. Why are we "collecting honey"

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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1938 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  09:59:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great song! Frank Black has TOO many great b-sides. Oddballs is just as good as any official studio album.


ˇViva los Católicos!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  10:13:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, something about this song struck me, even though it's a little bit flimsy and throwaway. It sounds like Frank is doing a take-off of Andy Warhol, or something. Sometimes B-sides have a magical quality that the more obvious album songs don't....I actually probably prefare the original version of 'Men In Black', and I like oddballs and some other kind-of 'throwaway' numbers...'You Never Heard About Me' is pretty cool, for instance.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
11687 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  10:46:58  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't remember this song as sticking out, I may have to look into it again.


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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =

France
2010 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  11:00:55  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm with (most) of you on that one. Brilliant song.
I love the lyrics and how he sings them. The line "The radio's playing And I laugh cause i said something funny" kills me every time.

But once again, what about Can I get a Witness (the real gem from the same EP) ?!?

Edited by - The Holiday Son on 07/01/2004 11:03:51
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1758 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  15:48:36  Show Profile  Visit Jose Jones's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Can i get a Witness is magnificent. at first i didn't really enjoy Baby That's Art, but one day it hit me. i like Oddballs as much as Cult of Ray (which is a whole damn lot).

-dan
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faulkndj
- FB Fan -

13 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  19:10:05  Show Profile  Visit faulkndj's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quick question....

I have every FB album there is, but not Oddballs...

where can I get it? I have looked online but haven't found anything.

It would be much appreciated
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =

USA
398 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2004 :  19:52:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can download it from I-tunes. Although "Man of Steel" is mysteriously absent. I believe there are also a few web site type indie stores that have the album, although I don't have any of the links handy right now. Good luck, it's well worth it.

~~As far as I can tell, I'm being dragged from here to hell~~

Edited by - martha_promise on 07/01/2004 19:53:21
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2004 :  04:15:52  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I enjoy the Oddballs version much more than the original - just because it's 45 seconds longer.

Btw, don't you think many of Frank's best songs (Brackish Boy, Two Spaces, Abstract Plain, Hostess With the Mostest, Billy Radcliffe, Coastline & the 4 Spinart exclusives, just to mention a few) are much too short?...


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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2004 :  04:23:28  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by faulkndj

quick question....

I have every FB album there is, but not Oddballs...

where can I get it? I have looked online but haven't found anything.

It would be much appreciated



1 copy here:

http://www9.gemm.com/ddc/search.pl?sid=369953081&key=77809&a_refno=GML757098861


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Edited by - Frog in the Sand on 07/02/2004 04:24:27
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In her mirror
- FB Fan -

Spain
20 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2004 :  04:24:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've cried with this song. I've laughed, I've danced...

One of my most beautiful moments have been with this song.

With this one and also with "fazer eyes". I don't what they do to me, but they do it...



just for your fingers
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *

1670 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2004 :  12:37:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I actually bought the xfiles soundtrack but you can download the missing songs from Utunes on emusic.com :)

The Truth Is Out There
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
9168 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2004 :  15:19:31  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Btw, don't you think many of Frank's best songs (Brackish Boy, Two Spaces, Abstract Plain, Hostess With the Mostest, Billy Radcliffe, Coastline & the 4 Spinart exclusives, just to mention a few) are much too short?...


I don't know about that. I tend to think a song should be kept short unless there's a reason for it to be long. I don't know that there really is such a reason for these songs. They're great the way they are!



Cattle in Korea / They can really moo.
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Frog in the Sand
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France
2715 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2004 :  10:18:20  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sure these songs are great as they are - I just meant that a great 3-minute song is always better, or at least less frustrating, than a great 2-minute song. :)


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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
9168 Posts

Posted - 07/03/2004 :  12:31:35  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Not if the extra minute is really bad and/or unnecessary.



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Frog in the Sand
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France
2715 Posts

Posted - 07/04/2004 :  02:37:43  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry if I'm not clear Monsieur Nathan, my English obviously is limited. I'm not saying a 3-minute song is necessarily better than a 2-minute song, I just mean a great 3-minute song is logically even more enjoyable than a great 2-minute song. :)


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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <

3648 Posts

Posted - 07/04/2004 :  02:46:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great song, but I wouldn't dub it the best song ever written... that's a lot to proclaim.


Not to be picky, but to be picky? I make no sense, at least I am aware of it.

nuotare? hehehahhahehehaha
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-

France
2715 Posts

Posted - 07/04/2004 :  03:16:45  Show Profile  Visit Frog in the Sand's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Holiday Son
But once again, what about Can I get a Witness (the real gem from the same EP) ?!?



Amazing song indeed. If I were Frank, I'd re-record it in Nashville and put it on Honeycomb!


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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1688 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2004 :  07:35:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm cool cause the day is sunny

I laugh cause I said something funny

These lines are just awesome. Along with "I met a man/he was a good man", they sound so "Frank Black"...
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