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kotvana
- FB Fan -
Israel
102 Posts |
 Posted - 06/04/2007 : 09:45:32
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it is dated
it's strange, but i really can't get emotional with these songs
i appreciate the geniues though
but prefer other albums much more
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 08:10:51
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I don't think it's dated-because I don't think it tries to sound 'of it's time'.
 "Aw yeah, that's the good stuff!" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 08:40:52
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i don't get how something "dated" is bad. but then i also don't know what you mean by dated. what doesn't sound dated that's 10, 15 years old? does Nirvana sound "dated" ? yes, becasue that music was made in the early 90's.
"dated" is a term that makes something painfully obvious sound like an insightful critique.. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 09:17:52
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I always take "dated" to mean it was good during the period it was released but now sounds stuck in an elapsed era. As opposed to "timeless," which means it's still great no matter how much time passes and what style of music is en vogue.
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 09:22:07
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then TOTY is timeless. Thanks for clearing that up, Coasty.
hey hey!! you push him, son, you push me. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 10:47:57
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 12:14:51
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 15:00:42
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Carl, admit something like that and you're begging to be shown no mercy. But anyway I could fix you up if you like.
Not dated or timeless. Just an individual sound. To me the surfaces sound all stainless steel and formica. Kitcheny. Like the 50s filtered through the 80s. Pie In The Sky particularly. The sound is oven baked. Aren't there quite a few references to the 50s on TOTY? From his appearance on KCRW's Open Road I remember him saying the music he was most passionate about was from mid-50s to mid-60s
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 05:39:00
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i've been listening to A LOT of frank lately. TOTY's in my car right now. i never get sick of this album. all the songs constantly shuffle about on how interested i am in them. that is to say, i've always loved every one, but "space is gonna do me good" has been sticking out recently. and two reelers is less nauseating to me than usual (again: love the song, it's just a bit... hectic).
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:47:30
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I think EDF started to play with that idea of formica sound when they made the Pere Ubu album with Gil Norton (worlds in collision). The game was to make David "weird" Thomas sound radio FM, a bit in the same spirit that Talking Heads had done albums like Little Creatures (yeah, the one that Frank took to Porto Rico on a tape, along with The Ramones Phil Spector album, oops, isnt that their "formica" album too?).
All punk rocker want to do his formica album one day. Like "ok, now let's do evrything I said I would never do! Like keyboards, choruses, yeah, radio sound man! What's the problem with sweets?" |
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Rico Ricardo
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
33 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 07:33:43
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I think once I'd heard Freedom Rock and a few others I knew I'd love the album, and when I bought it, I did, and I still do. it's very, very good.
Live and let live |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2007 : 16:27:18
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Teenager of the year was the first album that made me dance. I remember: I was fifteen years old, I played the album randomly, and I started to shake my hips in my bedroom for an hour like I never did before (good old time...). It was like hysteria. So Good!!! It hurt so much the following day I started to enjoy what they call PAIN and started to wear leather and chains... but that's another song...
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2007 : 16:30:43
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Oh! and the guitar solo from Fazer Eyes was the mere transcription of the impression of my first French kiss with a girl.... You see what I mean...
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langdonboom
= Cult of Ray =
USA
260 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2007 : 08:00:09
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beethoven is totally dated. But so what??
I actually can't hear any 'datedness' (though I understand the implication - and agree some of the sounds were even deliberately 'cheesy' at the time, too) on TOTY because I don't think a month goes by since 1994 when I haven't listened to it. And it does play like one long song for me after all these years. You know, its one of the ones you immediately start singing the next song when the previous one stops because you've memorized even the length of the pause bewteen songs!
I'd also like to address this:
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Originally posted by Jefrey
Totally under the radar? Don't know about that. I believe "Headache" is FB's biggest hit. It was played widely on radio. I don't recall any other song other than briefly "Men In Black" even making it to radio.
The album was critically acclaimed by both professional critics and fans alike when it came out.
Not to be mean, but I hardly think TOTY was "under the radar". It's not like it was a big secret or anything. At the time it was out, pretty much everyone I knew was listening to it.
I remember very clearly the night I went to the midnight release in Columbs Ohio for this album -- only it wasn't really for TOTY -- it was for Pearl Jam's VS. TOTY just happened to be coming out on the same tuesday or whatever and so it was for sale that previous midnight along with "vs". There was a line around the block for "VS" and I am pretty sure about 1% of those people bought TOTY. So "under the radar" is a reletive term - sure Headache was the closest thing Frank had to an MTV hit, but just cause there was a video doesn't mean this was a smash or highly publicised.
In any case, this album has more intellegence, more heart, and more soul than any indie-rock band ever had in the 90s, or into today. Dated or not, this album is a classic, timeless, dateless, whatever.
And I also can say that it took me like TEN listens to really like it. Maybe this is overstating the point for a rock n roll album, but I think Clement Greenburg's famous quote applies: "All profoundly original art looks ugly at first. "
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2007 : 08:09:16
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Beethoven is not dated.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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langdonboom
= Cult of Ray =
USA
260 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2007 : 08:18:10
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Originally posted by coastline
Beethoven is not dated.
Who's making that awesome chamber music today??? Of course I'm kidding but the point is just cause a certain sound eminates from a certain time doesn't make it bad. Only in the world of fashion and pop culture trash does that really matter. |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2007 : 08:18:18
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Originally posted by coastline
Beethoven is not dated.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
It is
"un jour tu connaitra cette detresse de pres ou de loin, je peux te le jurer" - Ofabsis |
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perrom
- FB Fan -
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2007 : 17:22:08
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This is a top 5 album of all time in my book and I've been saying that since I listened to it for the 100th time a month after I bought it 13 years ago. I used to get into arguments with people about this and it drove me nuts. (a side coincidence to an earlier post, I saw FB open for PJ in Wisconsin on FB's 1st solo tour, pouring rain when PJ came on but a great show). My favorite song on the CD is Pure Denizen of the Citizens Band. I also like little things like this about the almbum, and I'm quoting fumanbru here:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6514
"the end of speedie marie is sonnet- a shakespearean sonnet. it's a 14 line poem in iambic pentameter with a carefully patterned rhyme scheme. and the rhyming scheme goes ABAB CDCD. and i was also reading on sonnet central by the time you read the end of the sonnet you should have discovered something new about the subject or should see it in a different light. hence- jean marie walsh! brilliant!" See below:
Everything that I ever saw
And my one delight
Nothing can strike me in such awe
Mouth intricate shapes the voice that speaks
Always it will soothe
Rarer none are the precious cheeks
Is the size of each sculpted tooth
Each lip and each eye
Wise is the tongue, wet of perfect thought
And softest neck where always do I
Lay my clumsy thoughts
She is that most lovely art
Happy are my mind and my soul and my heart
"I`m drinking antiknock
I do a mantra and I know PL/1" |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2007 : 12:48:18
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| When I see the life duration of such a totally unoriginal topic, I think TOTY is REALLY REALLY GREAT !!! "Why is Devil's Workshop so Great?" would have fall in a week or so... |
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lackflag
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 14:43:35
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There are no reasons.
www.cdbaby.com/mateocathead |
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Diva
- FB Fan -
India
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Posted - 06/20/2007 : 01:44:22
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Teenager of the Year is an amazing album , it will create an impression for years ......
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2007 : 03:00:53
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TOTY is so good because it has 22 songs of which ~17 are absolutely incredibly totally unbelivably brilliant, and the remaining songs are still awesome beyond imagination. but i probably posted something like this in this thread some years ago.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2007 : 02:15:22
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swerve
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Posted - 06/23/2007 : 03:56:58
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Teenager is pure genius.It's a shame an album like it did not sell millions, when you see other crap selling.
The opening salvo of Pong,Thalassocracy,Abstract plain is amazing.
The variety of instruments used on record also makes a big difference.
Obviously this is due to the influence of Eric Drew Feldman.
Lyle Workman on guitar is superb, the guitar fadeout on fazer eyes is inspired.
Other faves are Big red which is beach boys esque,ole mulholland and calistan.
You can never tire of listening to TOTY.I haven't after 500 times. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2007 : 05:44:31
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the family just got a new car. and i pushed for the 9 speaker stereo system. what was the first cd that went in? .......
TEENAGER OF THE YEAR!!
OMG!! it sounds so good. good thing it's a hybrid! cause i drove around for all 22 songs! (all vehicles sold should come equiped with a TOTY cd)
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!" |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2007 : 09:08:28
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Originally posted by lackflag
There are no reasons.
That's a true genius. It's so true, and not only about TOTY. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2007 : 09:15:23
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that's not true, it's just that you can't articulate its genius due to your own inferiority.
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
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Why is Teenager of the Year So Good?
