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The King Of Karaoke
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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 Posted - 05/11/2004 : 16:53:01
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SHIT!!
They just shut him down!
Holy Big Brother!
It was gruesome.
edit: It's back up, do yourself a favor and don't watch it.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 05/11/2004 : 17:01:30
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I was already aware of this shit but didn't want to bother people with this. It's really horrible.
After Daniel Pearl, it's just history repeating.
I'm really sorry to say this, but it is directly connected to what happened to the Iraqi PoWs. It's an obvious act of vengeance, although the guy got killed only because he was jewish and had probably nothing to do with the US Army.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2004 : 18:07:51
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According to reports he was a civilian there to run a tv and radio broadcast repair service. Also, his father says that he was arrested by Iraqi police under coalition supervision, held without due process for 11 days, then released in the midst of the worst of the insurgency in April. Apparently that is when he was taken hostage. No one has said what he did to be arrested -conjecture is that he was out past curfew.
This is why there is the concept of "Just War", and the Geneva Convention. It's either "civilized" wars, following the rules of engagement and prisoner treatment, or it's all out guerilla tactics and anarchy. I'm scared of the SNAFU this country's fucked its way into. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2004 : 18:10:16
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I should add, I know that "Just War" and the Geneva Conventions are just smoke and mirrors. But if you are going to pretend that you follow them, you either damn well better outsource it right, or have such a stranglehold on the voice of the people that you make sure no one ever hears about it. /sarcasm
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This_Guy
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 04:46:11
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disgusting. once again 2 wrongs never make a right.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 05:18:54
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this is getting even more fucked up.... and has to be retaliation for the treatment of Iraqi prisoners by the British and US forces. Man, this is seriously depressing stuff!
Just the good ole boys, never meaning no harm,
that all you ever saw
been in trouble with the law,
since the day they were born |
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 05:25:55
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The video is still up @ http://thememoryhole.com
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I haven't seen it.
Feel incredibly guilty, though. I was going to DL it.
DL it out of curiousity? Fucked up!
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The wife and I are packing for a move.
I found my old copy of "Night" by Elie Wiesel. Re-read it yesterday afternoon.
Depressed the hell out of me. When I finished it I just stared at the cover.
It's such a slim book.
I open up my wallet
and it's full of blood |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 07:13:56
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 07:23:27
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Wow, that single-handedly ruined my morning.
Violence begets violence. This is a lesson that has resurfaced time and time again throughout the history of mankind. When will politicians/religious whackos/mindless sycophants learn their lesson? Apparently never.
I feel horrible for this guy's family.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 07:27:32
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"The man who uses violence as a means for securing the love of his family will certainly achieve quite another end. The state which makes war on a neighbour will create, not peace, but the makings of a war of revenge. The means determine the ends; and however excellent intentions may be, bad or merely unsuitable means must inevitably produce results quite unlike the good ends originally proposed. The heckler who adjures us to consider the lessons of history is in fact adjuring us to realise that once war has been adopted as a regular instrument of policy, once the idea that violence is the proper way of getting things done has become established as a truism, there can be no secure and lasting peace, only a series of truces between wars."
-Aldous Huxley
I haven't seen the video and don't ever plan to, but things are getting far too out-of-hand.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 07:36:52
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Nimrods Son-
Excellent quote.
Do yourself a favor - don't watch the video if you haven't already. I wish I had never come across it.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 08:41:14
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<I just received this email about the problems with Informationclearinghouse>
Note from Tom:
Please forgive the intrusion.
The website http://www.informationclearinghouse.info is under attack by hackers who are trying to damage the server.
The site has been taken off line.
I am assured by the hard working tech staff that service will be restored as soon as possible.
I will advise when the site is active again.
Peace & Joy
Tom
<Someone is trying awful hard, to keep the truth from getting to the people>
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 09:10:54
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HOLY FUCK!!
I had only looked at couple of the still photo's until just now.
I seriously feel ill. I need to go outside and breathe for awhile.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 09:14:45
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Disgusting.
Did they say exactly why they did it?
And why doesn't everyone clear out of there (civilians).
I mean how good is danger pay if you're dead. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 09:54:20
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
Disgusting.
Did they say exactly why they did it?
It was the will of Allah. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 10:21:18
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As i understand it, they wanted someone released from a US-based prison in Iraq. I guess if the US released this person, Nick Berg may still be alive.
[To pull a Peter Singer:] As horrific as it is, it's better than what many Iraqi's faced as the US bombed the country, civilians getting parts blown off and slowly dying...and of course their families have no idea what happened, where Nick's family found out right away...
It really sucks that this happened tho. Must have been terrifying for Nick, and his family.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 10:30:01
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Ya, can you imagine watching your son killed in such a fashion on TV.
Didn't the US detain this guy earlier though,
they thought he was a spy or something.
Now I remember why I once went a year without watching news or reading the newspaper...
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 10:48:35
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The problem is that the US tortures justifies such crimes in the eyes of Arab pubblic opinion. Eye for an eye. The US just entered in a circle of vendetta that will not end unless they pull off Iraq right now.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 10:53:15
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Which they won't,
so it'll be a steady stream of death
(hmmm Vietnam/Cambodia anyone).
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 10:59:58
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Not that I agree with US policy, nor the invasion, nor the war, and not that I excuse the US for wholesale slaughter and prisoner abuse "in the name of justice", but...
The act of killing someone (and an innocent, not a soldier of war) by beheading them (alive) slowly with a knife and then not only videotaping it, but sending it out to be viewed by millions is in no way justified by either the war, US foreign policy, nor even abuse of prisoners.
Absolutely reprehensible and that's too nice of a word. How is killing some innocent guy in ANY WAY exacting revenge on the soldiers that tortured those Iraqis? At the government that invaded them? How does that possibly equal not freeing prisoners who, presumably, were caught and taken captive instead of being killed in the midst of war. Warriors. Soldiers. Whatever you'd like to call them. I wouldn't have released the prisoners either, and what's more, I'd redouble my efforts in Iraq. Not because I think the US should be in Iraq, but because they made this mess and now they have to clean it up. Seems like things are still in the 'mess making' phase.
I can only feel sorry for Nick and his family, what a cruel thing to watch your son get slaughtered on national news as a pawn in a petty game that he wasn't playing.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 11:03:34
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I want to ask a question to all you that have watched this video clip.
Why did you watch it?
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 11:08:57
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
How is killing some innocent guy in ANY WAY exacting revenge on the soldiers that tortured those Iraqis? At the government that invaded them? How does that possibly equal not freeing prisoners who, presumably, were caught and taken captive instead of being killed in the midst of war.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
It's just propaganda. Probably they would have killed him anyway, and moreover when they did a request they knew in advance that the Americans would not accept such a condition. So the reason they did it is to scare the US pubblic and send a message to all Iraqis: "We can be as strong and ruthless as the Americans and get away with it. Join the resistance." Simple marketing.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 11:29:00
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
How is killing some innocent guy in ANY WAY exacting revenge on the soldiers that tortured those Iraqis? At the government that invaded them? How does that possibly equal not freeing prisoners who, presumably, were caught and taken captive instead of being killed in the midst of war.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
So the reason they did it is to scare the US pubblic and send a message to all Iraqis: "We can be as strong and ruthless as the Americans and get away with it. Join the resistance." Simple marketing.
The message that was sent is not the message that has been received. To the average American the beheading serves to justify the war. Assuming that to be simply obvious, we must also assume that Al Queda wants what will happen over the next two decades. The Arab-Israeli conflict has persisted all of our lives but 9-11 brought in the USA in force. This must be a war to the finish. And, yes, there are such things. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 11:46:46
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The message that was sent is not the message that has been received. To the average American the beheading serves to justify the war.
Where the hell do you live? That's not what anyone, except the brainwashed, are getting from this. This is a wake up call. Most Americans go about their daily lives not getting involved with what their leaders are doing outside of this country. Until this place (USA) starts blowing up, these are the types of things that make people think about what's really happening in the world.
Erubus, it's time to ditch the plastic flag, super patriotism. It's so passe' these days.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 11:58:37
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[i]Erubus, it's time to ditch the plastic flag, super patriotism. It's so passe' these days.
You must be mistaking me for someone else. Examination of my posts will reveal no flagwaving patriotism, super or otherwise. To me the war, and the whole left-right dynamic, is about gene-pool management. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:00:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
I want to ask a question to all you that have watched this video clip.
Why did you watch it?
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
Good question and exactly why I'll never watch it.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:01:22
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
I want to ask a question to all you that have watched this video clip.
Why did you watch it?
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
Simple. I decided, a long time ago, that I don't want to live life through rose-colored glasses. I'm not saying that anyone actually HAS to watch this video to have a better understanding of what is really going on in this war, but it certainly helps. Like I said, I regret having seen the video now that I watched it, but then again it is a wake-up call to just how fucked up people on both sides of this conflict are. You have your average, every-day citizens trying to lead their lives in relative harmony (this goes for both Iraq and the U.S.), and on the other extreme you have religious fascists and God-spouting zealots (Bush...Osama...cut from pretty much the same cloth in that respect) who think they are propagating a righteous holy war. Many people claim to understand what is really going on ("oh, casualties are bad"..."people are suffering on both sides") but it is soul-chilling, utterly depressing footage like this that will galvanize people in either a "FOR" or "AGAINST" position. Especially here in the States, we have way too many 'everyday citizens' sleep-walking through their fucking lives, not really taking a moral or philosophical stand on what is going on in the world around them.
This decapitation video, the pictures of Iraqi POWs being humiliated, and pretty much any other documentation of the utter depravity and dehumanizing nature of war serves to OPEN PEOPLES EYES and, god forbid, actually make some kind of stand (political or otherwise) for once in their lives. Unfortunately, all knowledge comes at a price....and the price of seeing things like this is that one may slowly lose faith in the redemption of the human condition. How can such utter violence and hatred exist in the world? My hope is that people who don't ask themselves this question finally WILL after seeing something like this, and maybe start taking actual steps in their lives to change the world for the better.
I gotta go now. I'm sick to my stomach.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:06:01
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I heard about this decapitation, I read about it. I feel pretty confident that I know what happens when someone's head is cut off. I do not, however, feel the need to watch it happen.
I am sorry but I don't understand how anyone can claim that they need to see it for any reason. And if they 'wanted' to see it. Then, well..........I dunno what to say really.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:06:13
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What fun!!
This is like fishing. Throw out some bait and see if anything bites.
Too bad I caught me a "sucker" fish.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:21:38
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
How is killing some innocent guy in ANY WAY exacting revenge on the soldiers that tortured those Iraqis? At the government that invaded them? How does that possibly equal not freeing prisoners who, presumably, were caught and taken captive instead of being killed in the midst of war.
So the reason they did it is to scare the US pubblic and send a message to all Iraqis: "We can be as strong and ruthless as the Americans and get away with it. Join the resistance." Simple marketing.
The message that was sent is not the message that has been received. To the average American the beheading serves to justify the war. Assuming that to be simply obvious, we must also assume that Al Queda wants what will happen over the next two decades. The Arab-Israeli conflict has persisted all of our lives but 9-11 brought in the USA in force. This must be a war to the finish. And, yes, there are such things.
I don't know, saying it's marketing is perhaps logical, but then what people are buying into this? Illogical ones. Why should we assume the knife wielding decapitators are the logical ones? I think that they truly believe in their mind that they are justified in this, and that's what saddens me most about humanity.
Erebus, I presume you mean that this murder helps fuel the needed hatred to support a war as opposed to actual justification, in which case I agree with you. If their intent was to inspire fear, they've definitely failed.
And for the record, I have not and do not ever intend to watch the video. Not that I like rose coloured glasses, but just because I can watch something disgusting doesn't mean I should in my mind.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:30:18
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I urge everybody to exercise self-control and not watch this video. I mean, everybody has the urge to watch something outrageous on some level or another, but to me this is going too far. Judging by the reactions of the people who did watch it, you can see it's something they wish they hadn't.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:31:22
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[i] Erebus, I presume you mean that this murder helps fuel the needed hatred to support a war as opposed to actual justification, in which case I agree with you. If their intent was to inspire fear, they've definitely failed.
My own experience has been that in regard to the war Americans are not motivated by hatred. I've not heard a single person voice anything remotely resembling hatred. For hatred one might want to look in on a Cairo elementary school. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:31:50
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I don't know,
why do they have open casket funerals?
Some people need to see the actuality of something to really get a handle or grasp on it. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:39:28
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
I don't know,
why do they have open casket funerals?
Some people need to see the actuality of something to really get a handle or grasp on it.
And you have more of a grasp on it now??? Did you think he would be OK after having his head cut off, before you actually saw it???
Sorry for the sarcasm, but I can't help but think that people watch this kind of thing through morbid fascination, and nothing more.
I mean, each to their own, but I don't understand that mentality in this case.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2004 : 12:40:34
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
What fun!!
This is like fishing. Throw out some bait and see if anything bites.
Too bad I caught me a "sucker" fish.
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Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
I REALLY don't believe that was your intention.
Why? 'Cos I think you are better than that.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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