| Author |
 Topic  |
|
The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
|
|
Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
 Posted - 04/30/2004 : 18:14:41
|
This is pretty shocking... My step brother was in Iraq last year as part of the British contigent, and according to my Mum (I haven't had the chance to speak to him myself) he claimed that the US soldiers were pretty shocking in their treatment of the Iraqi POW's.
I don't like cricket
I love it aah! |
 |
|
|
The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 18:41:11
|
I almost don't want to blame the soldiers. I mean if I was convinced (dare I say brainwashed?) into believing these people were all inherently evil, who know's how I'd act.
(Actually I know I wouldn't act like that, but some people lose all reason when in the "group mentality" enviroment.)
I don't believe I would have gone the "mock gay gangbang" route though. Who the hell came up with that sick shit?
------------------------------------
Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
|
|
|
|
mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 20:49:11
|
it's funny that these photos were taken in the very same prison were saddam tortured his people. nice thing being liberated. what changes is the uniform and a sick sense of humour. sorry but i don't feel sad at all when iraqis blow up american soldiers. they deserve it. all the way.
PS: one of the soldiers involved said:"we were there and i asked for orders. i got none. the intelligence people wanted information and we tried our best to crack the prisoners. our methods were efficient, we got what we wanted within hours. i don't feel guilty, i just did my duty. no i never heard of the Geneve Convention. nobody ever told us anything about it"
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
|
|
|
|
martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 22:12:32
|
This is not good. At all. In the fog of war?
I think it's is good to keep in mind that the act's of these soldiers do not represent the majority of women and men that serve in the armed forces or the american public.
Ableit, it's awfully messed up. Everything is, I suppose.
~~I must be getting older..., I'm starting to eat my vegetables~~ |
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 02:17:35
|
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
it's funny that these photos were taken in the very same prison were saddam tortured his people. nice thing being liberated. what changes is the uniform and a sick sense of humour. sorry but i don't feel sad at all when iraqis blow up american soldiers. they deserve it. all the way.
PS: one of the soldiers involved said:"we were there and i asked for orders. i got none. the intelligence people wanted information and we tried our best to crack the prisoners. our methods were efficient, we got what we wanted within hours. i don't feel guilty, i just did my duty. no i never heard of the Geneve Convention. nobody ever told us anything about it"
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
Mun Chien, I see that after a long absence, you're back with your particular style (no caps). At least there's an effort, you use your space bar now.
As for the Iraqi prisoners, I really don't understand how any decent Americans can still support this war of "liberation". It was pretty obvious to everybody that you don't "liberate" people by attacking them. This is really about common sense. If you believe Fox News and their Goebbels-like propaganda, than you're really a moron.
These soldiers were supposed to bring "civilisation" to the Iraqis. Let alone the fact that the region of Iraq gave birth to one of the most ancient civilisations of the world, I think the Wehrmacht was much more civilised than the US Army.
What happens now? America has "exported" terrorism to their allies like Spain. The security in the world is much worse now than before the war. There is a total anarchy in Irak, and the US administration is currently taking back some Baas officials to coordinate their armed forces.
This is really going nowhere.
 |
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 02:32:40
|
I'm not saying that American soldiers deserve to killed, most of them probably behave in a better way. But I guess that if I were an Iraqi, I would probably want to kill as many American soldiers as possible, after seeing pictures like this.
|
|
|
|
mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 02:58:45
|
quote:
Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
Mun Chien, I see that after a long absence, you're back with your particular style (no caps).
all these buttons... they confuse me... anyway i was away only for ten days which is pretty normal. what is less normal is that you didn't post for like 4/5 days. i was almost mailing you to ask for news, since i was afraid that something happened to you. now you have to post at least 150 replies in the next few hours to save your 30 ppd(posts per day) average.
PS:us troops deserve whatever happens to them in iraq: 1st because they are paid for it and 2nd because they are an occupation army (and not a civilized one either). they are worse than the dictator they were supposed to overthrow because they invaded a country in the name of democracy and human rights and then they were the first to ignore them completely. these photos are just the beggining. calculating the pentagon censhorship most probably the facts are even worse, only that we will never now. america can keep crying for their dead "heroes" and stupid rambos. the rest of the world will just say "you asked for it, now shut up"
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
|
|
|
|
The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 10:26:25
|
I didn't "ask for it", that's for sure.
I'm disgusted by it.
I'm also disgusted by the change in American opinions about the war.
Everyone's opinions change in accordance with what the media is pushing that day. It's sickening! I suppose right before the elections the media will go back to this super patriot bullshit, and everyone will re-elect this "sausage" we currently have as president.
GOD HELP US!
------------------------------------
Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
|
|
|
|
Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2004 : 10:47:09
|
A significant politician here in BC was pulled over in Hawaii several months ago, driving intoxicated.
He claimed it was the first time he'd ever driven under the influence.
All i gotta say is if this bubbles to the surface, there's a lot more going on.
 Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 04:43:08
|
Of course there is much more. How can you believe that an army can act in a humane way? Guns are designed to kill people. Do you think they teach soldiers to respect their enemy?
I really don't understand how people can speak about the "rules" of a war. A war is precisely a situation when there are no rules. If someone is trying to kill you, you don't say "wait, you don't respect the rules".
I don't understand people who say they are "patriots". What does that mean?
|
|
|
|
Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 10:53:21
|
Patriot: someone who thinks they have exclusive rights to a particular patch of earth because their parents chose to fuck there years ago.
-Owen |
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 11:19:13
|
They also tend to think that the place where their parents chose to breed is much better than any other place in the world.
|
|
|
|
This_Guy
- FB Fan -
Canada
146 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 02:43:12
|
y'all sound so shocked to learn that soldiers do terrible things no matter what side theyre killing for.
key word killing. |
|
|
|
cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 11:26:37
|
I don't know much about the Geneva Convention: specifically with regard to the consequences of "breaking" it (or whatever the terminology is). But I certainly hope we (America) pay whatever price is due. Far as I know, organizations like Amnesty International, in addition to working for the benefit of prisoners of conscience, should have something to say about this. Turnabout is fair play. Although, I won't be surprised when no one brings the Geneva Convention into it. Our hypocrisy sickens me when things like this come to light.
I'm ashamed of those individuals in the military. I hope they're all immediately dishonorably discharged and sent home, the fucks. I've known many brainless, brutish "military types" in my days and I'm sure you each know exactly the kind of person I mean. I've also met many smart, good-natured military types. Sadly, none of them were there that day. |
|
|
|
TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 11:41:18
|
Anyone (or onyone) seen that De Palma film Casualties of War? It's a true story about a group of U.S. soldiers in Vietnam who kidnap a Vietnamese girl, rape her, and then kill her. It's quite brutal, especially for a film starring Michael J. Fox.
"(insert clever quote here)" |
|
|
|
Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
|
|
mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 06:28:39
|
quote:
Originally posted by cvanepps
I don't know much about the Geneva Convention: specifically with regard to the consequences of "breaking" it (or whatever the terminology is). But I certainly hope we (America) pay whatever price is due. Far as I know, organizations like Amnesty International, in addition to working for the benefit of prisoners of conscience, should have something to say about this. Turnabout is fair play. Although, I won't be surprised when no one brings the Geneva Convention into it. Our hypocrisy sickens me when things like this come to light.
I'm ashamed of those individuals in the military. I hope they're all immediately dishonorably discharged and sent home, the fucks. I've known many brainless, brutish "military types" in my days and I'm sure you each know exactly the kind of person I mean. I've also met many smart, good-natured military types. Sadly, none of them were there that day.
Unfortunately there are no serious consequences for G8 members and specially for the US. In theory all violations should be denounced to the UN and brought in an international court that would judge eventul resposabilities and condemn the guilty. What really happens is that the US don't recognise international courts for their soldiers which are subject only to US army martial laws. So if an American soldier commits a crime (not only in war zones but even in countries that simply host a us military base) he can be judged only by his superiors and not by the international community or the country were the crime was commited. See for example the Cermis incident where a US Prowler fighter plane in low flight killed 20 skiers by cutting the skilift cables. The pilots, which were proven guilty of playing around and doing stupid acrobacies over inhabited areas, are still free.
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
|
|
|
|
cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 09:23:50
|
quote:
Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
Unfortunately there are no serious consequences for G8 members and specially for the US. In theory all violations should be denounced to the UN and brought in an international court that would judge eventul resposabilities and condemn the guilty. What really happens is that the US don't recognise international courts for their soldiers which are subject only to US army martial laws. So if an American soldier commits a crime (not only in war zones but even in countries that simply host a us military base) he can be judged only by his superiors and not by the international community or the country were the crime was commited. See for example the Cermis incident where a US Prowler fighter plane in low flight killed 20 skiers by cutting the skilift cables. The pilots, which were proven guilty of playing around and doing stupid acrobacies over inhabited areas, are still free.
Thanks, Mun. I wish I could say I was surprised. 
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man =-
http://christophervanepps.iuma.com |
|
|
|
franktaper
- FB Fan -
USA
158 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 14:25:45
|
| Where was all of this "world outrage" when it was revealed that Iraqis had tortured American POW's during Desert Storm? |
|
|
|
Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 14:41:32
|
That's a cop-out taper.
Of course the torture of any POWs is disgraceful.
But it is the US that insists on policing the entire planet
partially by making a mockery of the UN.
If they want to do this they should be the 'bigger man' in these types of situations. They're just confirming what most of the rest of the world thinks about them. This could have horrible consequences or repercussions for all the other soldiers that are there right now. |
|
|
|
mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 15:38:48
|
quote:
Originally posted by franktaper
Where was all of this "world outrage" when it was revealed that Iraqis had tortured American POW's during Desert Storm?
So your are saying that the US troops are no better than thirld world terrorists. With what right then they go around claiming to bring justice and democracy?
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
|
|
|
|
Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 18:41:05
|
Has anyone read 'Rogue State' by William Blum (I think). I am reading it at the moment.... I am not too sure how much of it to believe as it is very heavily biased against the US. Saying that alot of the stuff mentionned in it I have heard before, like in the Trial of Henry Kissenger. It talks about the US's double standards, their brutallity and barbarism and the fact that they themselves are sponsorers of terror. I think some of it has to be taken with a pinch of salt though, as I said it is heavily biased.
I don't like cricket
I love it aah! |
|
|
|
Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 20:43:02
|
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?256839
I haven't really scanned this thread thoroughly, but it's fucking bullshit people
If only Africa and India and so on and so forth had as much media ($$$)producing all the inhumanitarian crimes that are committed constantly around the world, only then would anyone understand
If only every wretched moment of some poor soul's life could be televised and printed world-wide... this whole outburst represents to me the longlasting, out of focus, fuck-up
Fuck those pictures
E! Entertainment
This week on E, dying babies in third world countries...
Blame it on the rain |
Edited by - Little Black Francis on 05/04/2004 20:50:36 |
|
|
|
El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 22:55:12
|
quote:
Originally posted by franktaper
Where was all of this "world outrage" when it was revealed that Iraqis had tortured American POW's during Desert Storm?
Give me a fucking break. Where was the outrage? This is expected of the Iraqis. In fact, this is *WHY* we're there, right? Wasn't the point to stop Saddam and his torture and rape rooms and what not? Oh, right. The same thing is still happening, only it's the white man keeping the brown man down this time.
Next time, pick an argument with fewer holes.
Boycott cults and t's |
|
|
|
mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 04:48:51
|
These are the conclusions of an investigation made by General Antonio Taguba completed, according to the Pentagon, last March. Enjoy
"Between October and December 2003 in the detainment facilities of Abu Ghraib (Bccf) sadistic, clamorous and criminal abuses were inflicted to numerous prisoners. The sistematic abuses on the prisoners have been perpetrated from various members of the military police force (372nd Company of Military Police, 320d Battalion, 800st Brigade) in the A-1 section of the jail of Abu Ghraib (Bccf).
....
"Moreover various prisoners have described the following abuses, that, under the circumstances, I judge credible based on the clarity of the affirmations and the adduced evidence from the witnesses:"
- Phosphoric content of broken chemical lamps poured on the prisoners
- Threats with 9 milimeter guns.
- Cold water jets on naked prisoners.
- Blows with brooms or chairs
- Threats of sexual violence to the damages of captive males
- Stiching of provoked wounds by members of the military police (made by hitting with violence the prisoner against the walls of the cell)
- Prisoners sodomizzed with chemical lamps or broomsticks
- Employment of military dogs without muzzle in order to scare the prisoners, in a case turned out a bite
- Fists, slaps and kicks to the prisoners; Blows on the feet knots
- Photos and video of prisoners, men and women, undressed, placed in forced, sexually humiliating and explicit poses
- Denudation of the prisoners, left undressed for various days
- Male prisoners forced to wear womens' underwear
- Male prisoners forced to masturbate while filmed
- Prisoners forced to lie one on the other in a bunch on which the soldiers jumped
- Prisoners forced to stay in feet on a stool, blinded with a bag, with cables connected to the fingers of hands and feet and to the penis, simulating the torture of elettroshock
- Photos of soldiers sexually abusing prisoners
- Photos of prisoners with chains and dog collars around the neck
- Photos of dead prisoners
- The words "i am a rapist" on the leg of a prisoner, photographed and accused to have raped a 15 year old
- "Ghost prisoners" delivered to several prisons by the 800 Brigade of Military Police without "documentation"
The report concludes:
"These conclusions are based on confessions by the various soldiers interrogated, from prisoners' confessions and declarations of witnesses".
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
|
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 04:57:06
|
Very nice, indeed.
|
|
|
|
Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 05:03:41
|
quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?256839
I haven't really scanned this thread thoroughly, but it's fucking bullshit people
If only Africa and India and so on and so forth had as much media ($$$)producing all the inhumanitarian crimes that are committed constantly around the world, only then would anyone understand
If only every wretched moment of some poor soul's life could be televised and printed world-wide... this whole outburst represents to me the longlasting, out of focus, fuck-up
Fuck those pictures
E! Entertainment
This week on E, dying babies in third world countries...
Blame it on the rain
The problem is with this is that the US are probably involved somewhere along the line.....
I don't like cricket
I love it aah! |
|
|
|
Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 05:15:50
|
quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis
http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?256839
I haven't really scanned this thread thoroughly, but it's fucking bullshit people
If only Africa and India and so on and so forth had as much media ($$$)producing all the inhumanitarian crimes that are committed constantly around the world, only then would anyone understand
If only every wretched moment of some poor soul's life could be televised and printed world-wide... this whole outburst represents to me the longlasting, out of focus, fuck-up
Fuck those pictures
E! Entertainment
This week on E, dying babies in third world countries...
Blame it on the rain
The problem is with this is that the US are probably involved somewhere along the line.....
I don't like cricket
I love it aah! |
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 04:51:13
|
There is more stuff coming to light. Great! What next?
|
|
|
|
ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 06:25:00
|
You know what?Shit happens
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away |
|
|
|
The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 09:24:26
|
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but news of the dead bodies is coming kids.
You heard it here first
------------------------------------
Confucious say - The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.
He also say my lucky numbers are: 16 27 36 23 11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
|
Edited by - The King Of Karaoke on 05/08/2004 09:25:38 |
|
|
|
The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
|
|
Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 10:14:16
|
Lets not just blame the US, the UK have also been caught in the act of torture. The guys doing this should receive very very harsh punishments and be made an example of!
I don't like cricket
I love it aah! |
|
|
|
Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 10:50:17
|
Her defence is something like "I didn't do it". Reminds me of the Simpsons.
|
|
|
|
Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 12:41:47
|
We've known from the alternative press there was torture going on in Camp X-Ray for a couple years now and the same in Iraq for at least half that, and the mainstream media have waited until now before deciding to wag their fingers. Does anybody else find this deeply suspect?
-Owen |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
World outraged by U.S. torture of Iraqi prisoners
