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anazgnos
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 04/17/2004 : 02:29:59
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because that's not Kim, it's Kelley!!!
ho ho ho, did those crazy twins ever pull a fast one... |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6180 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 06:19:34
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what's flubbing?
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6180 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 06:37:28
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ok, I found out now!
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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Manny
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
252 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 09:08:37
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Listen to the bass at the beginning of "Is she weird?" at the Winnipeg show!
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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 10:07:44
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| You really think they would pull shit like this? |
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anazgnos
= Cult of Ray =
USA
383 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 11:20:27
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| naw, s'a joke. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 16:39:50
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I incidentally read this while listening to Is She Weird from the Winnipeg CD. Yeah. Tempos were off. But I'd much rather have some of the playing be off while Kim is smiling from ear to ear and joking around and having a great time with the rest of the band, instead of it being all serious and her focusing 100% on making sure she's playing correctly. And remember, they haven't been playing before an audience for even a week yet. If they pulled off a completely flawless show from Minneapolis onward without playing in front of a crowd for twelve years, we would all realize that they're infallable gods. They can't be that obvious!
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2004 : 19:27:01
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I hear it's because there were no bass tabs on our site..heheheh
 Join the Cult of the Flying Pigxies - I'm A Believer! |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 21:37:35
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| Having studied Kim's playing for a dissertation, I can safely say -- in my expert opinion -- that I believe her alcohol use over the last fifteen years has affected her motor skills. But that's okay . . . it's not like the bass is a prominent or essential instrument in any of the Pixies' songs. |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 22:08:58
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| Wrong on 3 counts there, bud. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2461 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 01:36:10
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*Cries* Leave Kim alone!!!
But I'd also rather see them smile than panic into recreating what the songs sound like on disk.
'Took his plane to Columbia/So I could sell at my school" |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 06:49:04
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[i]it's not like the bass is a prominent or essential instrument in any of the Pixies' songs.
Either you're being sarcastic, or you're talking complete bullshit. The bass is the backbone of almost EVERY Pixies song!! |
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Spiral~Daisy
- FB Fan -
Canada
62 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 08:26:46
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YEA!!!!!!!!!!!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6180 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 08:43:23
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uhm let's not forget that kim hasn't really played bass in a band since 1993. Maybe she played bass on some breeders demos but she didn't play full time since the pixies days.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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anazgnos
= Cult of Ray =
USA
383 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 11:37:22
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| As far as I know Kim quit drinking a few years ago. |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 13:36:51
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PsyTwi,
Either you think I'm as stupid as Kim is sloppy on bass, or you missed my point. |
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chick
- FB Fan -
Canada
118 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 17:21:28
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| I think Kim is a great bass player! She was my inspiration to learn to play bass. (Not that I prefer Kim to Frank,David, or Joey).I think they are all great.I am excited to have the opportunity to see them in concert, and I think that's just great1 |
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chick
- FB Fan -
Canada
118 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 17:26:27
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| that they are back together, if that's what they are doing.I also understand how some people might be a little skeptical about this whole "reuinon" thing but I would rather see the show and say "yeah,that was dissapointing" than to not know at all.But it's not like they are going to suck.They are the fucking PIXIES!!!!!!!! |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 17:43:20
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| Kim still drinks I think. Quite sure that was beer she was sipping the other night. And she still has her motor skills. Wish you were being sarcastic throughout your post, Passion. |
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DeBased
- FB Fan -
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 22:46:33
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I'm a lady bassist, too, and I am not happy to see so much criticism of Kim on other threads (I realise the joke in this thread). She's definitely been targeted more than anyone else. I find it very hard to believe she's playing that badly (I'm not listening to the shows yet). I play all these songs myself and will be seeing the band at Vancouver and making my own decision. She's been playing Gigantic for over a decade, and there's just not much there to screw up! I can tell you first hand bassists just don't get the respect, and neither do girls. Plus, people blame her for the band breaking up and that can't be all one person's fault. And maybe it was the best thing for that time anyway. BE NICE TO KIM! It is such a gift to get to see this band, even if they do this for one year. People should throw flowers as far as I'm concerned.
the method...of stop tap spin, no talkin'... |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6180 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 03:08:22
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DeBased, I think it's a bit too easy to say that this criticism is caused by the fact that kim is a woman. If you listen to the shows you can hear her making mistakes, forgetting lyrics and bass off-time. That's why people criticize her.
And I just have to say that it's a warm up tour, so it's the right place for mistakes.
Kim hasn't played bass in a while, so that's one more point in her defence.
Listen to breeders shows, she doesn't fuck up on those songs. Give her some time!
I still think she rules and I still think she has one of the best voices I ever heard, but
she does make those mistakes, she does screw up Gigantic.
ps
I do think women get the respect they deserve, I'm not against feminism, I'm a feminist myself, but I just don't think it has to be part of this discussion
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Edited by - billgoodman on 04/20/2004 03:09:05 |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 08:29:44
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Originally posted by PsychicTwin
[quote]Originally posted by The Passion Of El Diablo
PsyTwi,
Either you think I'm as stupid as Kim is sloppy on bass, or you missed my point.
Yet another case supporting the creation of a "sarcasm font", I guess
Maybe I just read through your post too quick. Then again, I did say "Either you're being sarcastic, or..."
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 10:28:32
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PsyTwi (and all y'all),
From now on, just proceed with the assumption that I'm being sarcastic. |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 10:29:08
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| But not about Kim's awful playing during the first few shows. |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
693 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 11:34:43
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| I like that "during the first few shows". That's progress. |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 14:30:47
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| Let's just hope certain bass players show as much "progress" as I have. |
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woodworm
- FB Fan -
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 14:50:25
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Originally posted by prozacrat
I incidentally read this while listening to Is She Weird from the Winnipeg CD. Yeah. Tempos were off. But I'd much rather have some of the playing be off while Kim is smiling from ear to ear and joking around and having a great time with the rest of the band, instead of it being all serious and her focusing 100% on making sure she's playing correctly. And remember, they haven't been playing before an audience for even a week yet. If they pulled off a completely flawless show from Minneapolis onward without playing in front of a crowd for twelve years, we would all realize that they're infallable gods. They can't be that obvious!
execellant post
i agree 100 %
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 15:58:18
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Hey, DeBased. Yeah, it does seem like people are picking on Kim a little more than others. Joey had more than his share of flubs the first show, and people were generally understanding and forgiving. And he looked like a kicked puppy after he would botch a note too. I felt bad for him. I don't know why people would single out Kim, but hey. It's all good. Most people are already looking past those few mistakes and the rest should follow soon. And if they don't, it's their loss. Oh well. And woodworm, thanks for the compliment.
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 19:19:21
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Prozac,
Hey, kid, I love Kim Deal. I loved her when I chatted her up at length at the Congress Theatre in Chicago after a Fugazi-Shellac-Ex performance. I loved her the fifteen times I've watched the Breeders play. I loved her the first time I heard her angelic voice on tape. But, the reason she is getting picked on is that she is blowing it in a major way. It's not just an occasional "whoops," like Joey's lil' flub on "Gouge" in Winny. It's pervasive, constant, and frustrating from a fan's perspective. You can respectfully disagree, and you should if it doesn't bother you. But it should bother you to hear wrong notes throughout the night in your favourite songs. |
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The Passion Of El Diablo
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 19:25:07
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| And, Prozac, just listen to "Into The White" from the Winny show. Joey totally saved the song with his guitarrorizing. He almost made me forget that Kim forgot how to play and sing the rest of the piece. |
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winnipegwantsfrank
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 20:35:38
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Passion,
Did Joey screw up on Gouge in Winny? I remember him playing a note, then looking off to the side of the stage and pointing up (I guess to a roadie or something to make an adjustment)
And Kim definately still drinks. Not like Robert Pollard though |
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Manny
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
252 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 22:13:35
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Two words: "Warm up".
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6180 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 00:17:38
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Originally posted by winnipegwantsfrank
And Kim definately still drinks. Not like Robert Pollard though
Bob Pollard, I don't see him making 65 without having Korsakov dissease or something alcohol related.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 02:04:15
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Passion,
I see exactly what you mean. I guess I was just so blown away by the fact that I was actually at a Pixies concert to keep tabs on the screw ups. I guess I'm just content seeing them all on stage together again. But like Manny said a few posts above, "Two words: 'warm up'." I think we need to keep that in mind. I got the impression coming in to these shows that they were warming up and getting used to playing together again. Since I'm a theatre major, I'll make an analogy which I think makes sense, and I apologize for ranting:
I'm looking at this warm up tour like I would a dress rehearsal for a theatrical production. Many of the same elements are there. For a given dress rehearsal that I'm involved in, we make sure we've rehearsed and are about ready to perform for a large audience. Then we put all the elements together and perform like we would for a large audience, only we do it for a select few. That selected audience knows it's just at a dress rehearsal and it's not the real deal (not to downplay the significance of the warm up tour, or to make a bad pun). Sometimes at these dress rehearsals some of the actors don't know all their lines and or cues. Sometimes other actors have to cover their asses and sometimes we just have to stop the dress rehearsal and fix the problems then and there. It's not a perfect show by any means, but it's not meant to be, and your average small audience at a dress rehearsal knows that. They're there to get the actors used to performing that show in front of an audience and to get feedback as to what the audience liked and disliked. I feel like we're that small audience and the Pixies are performing in the dress rehearsal. Kim, like many actors I've worked with, isn't quite ready for that big performance yet, even though the other guys are pretty close.
That's just how I view it. Do ya see what I mean? I apologize for being loquatious.
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MiscellaneousFiles
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 04/21/2004 : 07:03:28
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/21/2004 : 07:48:04
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| Many of the same issues may come into play, but it's not a perfect analogy. Just one difference is that most of the venues and cities what get to see them for a day (or 2) now may not get to see them again. I would rather pay to see every Pixies "dress rehearsal" while they're together than pay to see any other band's finished product. And most people who have seen them recently agree that they still put on a great show. Small mistakes don't detract much at all from their performances, IMO. |
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Real reason Kim keeps "flubbing"
