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Chroneos
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 Posted - 04/04/2004 : 00:21:19
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This is probably an old topic, but I feel compelled to remark nonetheless. The last time I posted much was back when this whole reunion was more or less thought to be MTV spouting BS, and I wish it would have stayed BS, honestly. I guess it's too late to wish FB&theC's would be touring instead, so I'll say that I *really* hope the Pixies decide to make this tour a one-time thing, even if I don't get to see them. Anyone else share in this sentiment? Please don't say I'm alone. ;-)
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 00:25:47
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You're not alone. I'm not a fan of the whole Pixies reunion becuase I think it pales in comparison with Frank. Though I'm probably a bigger fan of Frank Black's first three studio albums than his work with the Catholics....but I don't know. I am really starting to love the 1998 Frank Black and The Catholics album.
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 02:03:25
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I'd love to see the Frank & the Catholics. Missed 'em before they went overseas last year. I hope everything goes well with the Pixies reunion. I'll be looking forward to it being over with though. Let's just say I'd be a whole helluv a lot more fired up if he was releasing a new album of new songs.
Hmmmm...I wonder what's happening in Nashville?
Sorry not to make sense.
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jonathan
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 02:19:02
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I share the sentiment. While I'm going to a couple of the Pixies shows ('cause I wasn't old enough to know who they were last time round) I'm hoping this whole reunion disappears really darm quickly. Last time I saw the Catholics was Sheperds Bush Empire just before Christmas (their last ever gig!?!) and for the first time in the years I've seen them the crowd are shouting for FB songs and the roof was coming off for those tunes - there were even crowd surfers to Whiskey In Your Shoes. Okay so I guess the LPs aren't selling and Frank probably could do with the cash boost so if there's tourist flights to Mars in the next few years he can get a ticket, but lets hope once this tour bankrolls the four of them for a few more years they'll very swiftly nip it in the bud. I'd rather new Catholics material and tours. They're a better band, just Frank wrote some of his best songs a long time ago, but the recent mix live has been better than any Pixies show could be. And of course, Frank was 'ours' and now he's back being 'everyones' - all these journeymen who don't even know he had one solo record...
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 02:55:11
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Jonathan, well put. Nicely done. I'm drunk or I'd type more. Is this considered spam? fuck.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 08:16:38
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WORD.
I hope the Catholics will still be doing things with Frank, although it seems like it will be 2005 before they would be touring or anything again. Which sucks. I would much rather go forward in time, then go back.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 09:56:36
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2004 : 10:28:24
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Even if you don't like the idea of the Pixies reunion, all the money they've made and are going to make guarantees that FB&tCs will have the funds to keep recording forever.
I'm thrilled to see that they're finally gonna make a shitload of money. They've got the tour, DVD, best-of, and now all the Live Direct-to-CDs.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 10:33:28
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Well, it is actually FRANK making a shit load of money and not the Catholics. So HE can do whatever he wants, and I hope he will choose to continue with the Catholics, but there is really no promise that that is what will happen.
I dislike the whole Pixies reunion track b/c I would rather hear NEW stuff then old, but I respect what he is doing. Onward, Frank! |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 13:26:36
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 15:58:29
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Okay, but I'm never gonna dance again. Guilty feet have got no rhythm.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 16:01:46
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HEE!
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 16:34:17
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I love every last song Frank has done, with and without the Catholics, and I believe through and through that his albums with the Catholics have been one of the most important contributions to real rock & roll in the last decade. I hope and expect that he will continue his recording with the Catholics, live to two-track well on into the future. I also believe that the Pixies aren't simply a matter of dwelling on the past, however. I feel that they could bring us more excellent new material, which only time will be able to tell. I think Frank's excellent song writing would carry over beautifully to a new Pixies record. A lot of people are talking about the Pixies fans who don't even know about Frank's amazing solo career. Yeah, there are a ton of them. My first hope is that those people will, in the process of this reunion, be exposed to Frank's work with the Catholics (and subsequently fall in love with it, which they should if they have any taste whatsoever). Inversly, my second hope is that those same people who could care less about the Pixies reunion, and want Frank Black & the Catholics exclusively, may find that the Pixies could bring even better music then they did before, and even better than Frank Black & the Catholics. (I can hear the booing)Honestly, I see where everybody is coming from on all sides of this argument. But I don't think we should be viewing the reunion as a step backwards. I think it's a big leap forwards. Just imagine Frank releasing more records with both the Catholics and the Pixies. I can't imagine either being a step backwards.
And most importantly, I don't believe that Frank owes his fans anything. He could retire from both bands right now and not put out another record, and I would have to say "Bravo. Brilliant career. I owe you everything." (Though he's made it abundantly clear that won't happen any time soon, thank God) We shouldn't be demanding anything from him, or downplaying any choices he makes. He's earned every luxury we can provide. I think it's the only respectful thing to do. So I say "Death to elitism; Long live Frank's music." Take it for what it's worth.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 17:13:58
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I agree. It's obvious even from a minimum of listens the fellow is a searcher and doesn't seem to be the sort to stay with something he finds dull or backwards-stepping for long.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 19:39:43
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I never said Frank owed me (or any other fans) anything - all I was expressing was MY personal preference and I prefer the Catholics. The Pixies were a band that broke up, and now they are doing a REUNION tour. In my world, that means reuniting something that was previously NOT united.
I respect everyones opinion but when you (prozacrat) say "I don't think we should be viewing the reunion as a step backwards. I think it's a big leap forwards" - that is your opinion. Just like mine is the opposite. Getting everyone to view it as a positive is simply not going to happen. When you come into a thread called "Death to the Pixies, Long Live the Catholics" - you should have a pretty good idea of what it's about. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 21:06:30
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I don't get this corny concept that we're supposed to owe Frank (or any artist) something. I support him by buying his records and paying to see him play. I appreciate the music but the relationship pretty much ends there. If I see him hitchhiking I'll give him a lift and I'd probably buy him a beer if the opportunity presented itself. Otherwise, I'm sure he'll be alright without my intervention.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 23:29:57
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I apologize, that kinda came across somewhat denouncing, and I didn't mean it to. And I wasn't trying to cite any one opinion (sorry ramona, I didn't mean to sound like I was bashing any opinion or anything) in particular. And saying that Frank "owed us" might have been the wrong term to use. I didn't want to put words in anybody's mouth, I don't want any of you guys thinking that that's what I think you're thinking (did I say that right?!) I'm not sure exactly which is the right term. There just seems to be this overall sense (not from any one person, but from everyone who has an opinion on the subject, myself included) that Frank Black can never win, no matter what he does. I agree, ramona, that getting everyone to view it as a positive is figuratively impossible (and I did expect a certain degree of berating by posting pro-reunion chatter on this thread). And though I know we're somewhat polar regarding the reunion, I commend your remark "I dislike the whole Pixies reunion track b/c I would rather hear NEW stuff then old, but I respect what he is doing." If Frank decided to call off the whole reunion, I would dislike that, but I would respect his decision. He hasn't failed me in the past with any of his choices, so I'm always willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. That's all. I'm very sorry if I sounded all preachy-preach and came across as "my opinion's the right one!" I didn't want that. Sometimes I show up on a highhorse and I don't know how I got there. And I thank you for keeping me in check.
And yeah, BLT, saying I owe Frank everything does sound corny. And I don't think we all do. That would just be my personal declaration. My first exposure to his music came at a very crucial time for me and kinda set me on the right path, so to speak, and not the one I may have been heading down. Not only have the choices he's made careerwise made him a positive role model for me for the last decade, but musically speaking I find I have much better taste in music and am a much better musician thanks to him and his various incarnations. And I also owe him, in a significantly more direct manner, because he once spent fifteen minutes talking me out of using my stage name in my band and using my real name, which he quite liked. I didn't argue, ditched the stage name, and have found that many more people remember my name now, which, if you're in a band, you'll know is a nice thing. And if I ever work for him again I'll be sure to thank him for that. Not as life-changing as the other reasons, but it's a reason. I don't expect everybody to get the same effect that I did. And yeah, it is corny, but hey, that's how it is for me.
Overall, I'm just a sickeningly optimistic fan who supports Frank. I hope there aren't any hard feelings. Yes, I don't agree with Death to the Pixies, but I'm with you all the way in Long Live the Catholics!
Do I get any points for agreeing half-way?
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moon ruler
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 07:09:29
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 07:37:49
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I don't think you were coming off as telling people what to think, prozacrat. You were expressing your pro-reunion opinion and I think you did so without being negative on people expressing opposing opinions. So no worries. :)
Me, I'm going to reserve judgement until I see/hear what they do. Maybe they put together an album that blows away all their collective solo efforts since there are at least two accomplished songwriters who have a lot more experience now than before.
I'm happy to get to see them play live since that had pretty much been written off as impossible previously. I admit I'm hoping that this is a one-off tour too, but only under the assumption that they are not working new material. I love the Catholics and the Pixies and choosing which I'd like to see live and which I'd like to go into that long dark night is like choosing which child to kill.
... and neither child is ugly, so I can't use that either. :P
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
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3988 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 08:38:57
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I hear what you are saying, prozacrat. I definetly respect your opinion, and I get all your meaning. I am not going to show up at the Pixies shows with CATHOLIC banners or anything. I am sure I will go and scream like everyone else. I would just scream louder for Frank Black and the Catholics, ya know what I mean?
Anyway, all is well. No harm no foul. |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 09:05:14
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I'm not saying Frank Black and the Catholics are crap, but I wonder if what the Pixies did could ever be equalized. So... Life to the Pixies!!!
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 09:30:42
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Thanks for the reassuring words, guys. And like CoF said, I can only postulate until next Tuesday. After that I'll be able to form a mild opinion on what I'd like to see more of. Cheers!
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moon ruler
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 09:53:12
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| equalizing the pixies is not possible, because to do so would only be to imitate. this is why their albums vary and progress in style while still carrying some of the same themes and an undeniable this is the pixies sound. the same can be said for frank solo, and for the catholics as well. this is why we love him. if i can contribute anything to this thread( other than my like for corn )it would be that we should all remember frank black is frank black in all his different incarnations. i have read similar statements posted before and it is the truth as far as i can tell. frank always remains true to himself and i dont doubt he will continue to do so. the pixies just happen to be this moments truth |
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FrankfanL
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 13:19:31
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| Right on, Chroneos !! I tend to agree, but Prozacrat makes some valid points. I don't think your sentiments are "corny". I too have similar feelings about the effect Frank's music had on my life. I don't have to explain the wonderment of a human being (FRANK) being able to express so , inspire, ignite, quell, inform as does MR. Frank Black. It gives us hope, downright joy! I too had the opportunity to speak to Frank, and he was really great. It made me feel important, just for a few minutes, but I'll always carry that with me. As Bowie wrote,"Just a mortal with potential of a superman...", we can all aspire to greatness. Any Frank music will be appreciated, but let's hope The Catholics are just "on vacation" for a bit, and will return full force once the Pixie thing has run it's course.Yes, Frank remains true to himself, so what more can we ask of this fellow??? Maybe it has something to do with his foray into therapy...you know, meet your demons head-on??? |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 05:56:20
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Although I'm a Pixie more than a Catholic, I must say that I support Frank in what he's doing now, 'cause he's being true with him and us. He's always true. In Frank we trust.
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Chroneos
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2004 : 23:30:53
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Oh well, at least I got to see them in 2003. I was hoping to take a couple friends the next time, that's why I really hope The Catholics are revived soon.
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rockmusic84
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USA
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 18:02:00
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I for one think that Frank could bring the down to earth songwriting and recording techniques he's honed so well with the Catholics, and make an amazing record with the Pixies. Imagine a Pixies album live to 2 track. They've got the energy and the ability, I'm sure they'd be able to pull it off. Imagine how exciting they would sound recorded live! All of the other overdubbed, multitrack albums sound exciting, but just imagine live recording! But then again, that's wishful thinking. They might just want to do the tour, and then get on with their lives. Which isn't a bad thing, because at the least, they've given people who have never seen them live the first time around a second chance, and to those who haven't seen them period, it's a real treat. And of course all the live albums from the tour will provide fans with more enjoyment in their music collections. Another possibility is that Frank may do both (solo AND Pixies projects). But all I can say to Frank and the guys is good luck, and at the very least, HAVE FUN!!!
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IceCream
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Posted - 04/13/2004 : 18:59:42
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The problem I have is with quotes such as the following:
"Now, night after night, Black shows up, sells out and plays to an audience that has come to catch a glimpse of what they all missed out on years ago - fans who appreciate his solo work but who, deep down, are really there to sing along to 'Gigantic' or 'Velouria' or 'Monkey Gone to Heaven'".
I like the pixies, but the this is so far from what I truly believe that I NEVER mention the Pixies before FB in conversation at a social gathering or anything. I don't want people to associate me with this kind of "WIMM is the best/yay for reuniting" thing. I'm afraid that the Pixies are starting to become considered "cool" among some of the kids that listen to the mainstream ear damage on MTV. I don't want people to think I like the Pixies just becuase WIMM is a "cool" song. I am not that kind of fan.
So that's why I feel uncomfortable calling myself a Pixies fan - I try to do FB justice.
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ten_percenter
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 10:39:25
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Remember when Frank Black first started sneaking a few Pixies' songs into his solo set list? Well, truth is, I was kind of bummed out even then. I actually felt bad for Frank Black, like he'd finally pandered to all those a**holes who'd always scream out 'Hey' or 'Nimrod's son' at every single show that the poor man played. Maybe Frank Black got tired of hearing them (they were at every show) and caved in. Or maybe he needed the money.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:01:42
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Maybe he came to terms with all the downright gorgeous music he'd made. Sometimes I feel when looking through my old stories it's like Gaaaah looking through baby photos but I can't very well shut that guy out of my life.
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Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:29:12
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I don't even listen to the Pixies anymore. With the exception of the BBC disc, I've sold it all off. I don't hate them, I just cleared 'em out cuz I'm not into the big record collection thing. Out of curiosity, I did order one of the new DiscLive sets, though.
Anyway, this is TOTAL speculation and MAY NOT be true, but when Frank first added Pixies songs to his set (just "Wave of Mutilation" and "Holiday Song" for awhile, I remember), at the time I thought it might be related to his label situation. He had a record ready to go (the first FB&C's), but no label. Remember, FB&C's sat unreleased for about a year. Playing a few Pixies songs again may have been a quiet way of getting word of mouth going about him again and perhaps increasing his leverage in making a worthwhile deal to put out the album.
And it was also a good time because the Death to the Pixies compilation had just come out and, for the press articles surrounding it, HE was the primary member of the band interviewed and HE began getting most of the credit again.
There's a memorable quote in a February 1996 article (http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/1996-02-22/music3.html/1/index.html) about why he wasn't playing Pixies songs.
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"It doesn't seem like the thing to do," he says. "It's just my own...oh, how can I put it? Even though I wrote all those songs, to a lot of people it's like, 'Oh, he broke up the Pixies, and he's not so cool anymore, blah blah blah,' and so I sort of felt like some people don't really want to give me the credit for writing those songs, which is fine. I'm just the figurehead, the dude that broke it all up.
"I sort of feel like when people want to give me the credit--'Oh, yeah, that guy wrote all the songs and he was the singer and we want to hear those songs'--then maybe I'll have mellowed psychologically about my whole horrible experience of being a person in my 20s in some rock band. I won't have so many bad memories hanging around about the whole thing, and I'll whip out a few of the better ones. It'll be the right time, and people won't give me a bunch of shit about playing a song I wrote." |
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the tolerant
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:52:31
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could frank have won whatever he did. at the last fb and c gig i went to in december i was pretty embarassed bout the drunken fool next to me who constantly shouted out for pixie songs until i realised it was my pissed up brother (only jokin)
if you want pixies song goto a pixies gig, you want the catholics, then were gonna have to wait and see. but dont knock the man or call him a sell out. we dont own him. not one of us wrote the songs we all love whether the catholics pixies or frank black. aslong as frank is on stage.
who can he please? the catholic die hards, the pixies wanna sees? i dont know. who cares.
let frank do whatever aslong as he still keeps'a writin.
we all know he's doin his thing in nashville so it aint the end of the world if he wants to revisit his back catalogue now and again. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 12:23:04
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You know, I was thinking about this during lunch.
I wanted to say something to all you guys (die hard FB or FB&C fans)..that you're all absolutely awesome or beautiful or buy you all a beer or something. Pixies stuff is going to eclipse FB stuff for a little while and this forum on this site is going to be the internet epicenter of it. Knowing that you all are real fans of the man and his music, I know you support anything he does.
Anyway - you guys are great - especially the site admins...I mean - its not like this is "thepixies.net" you know. I was a big fan of "Frank Black" and "Teenager of The Year" but I haven't heard any Catholics stuff yet...maybe I will soon.
Who's to say that during some of the rehearsals Franks didn't say "Hey guys - you wanna learn a new one or two?" They can all be pretty tight lipped if they want to...maybe they're waiting for Cochella or another festival to roll some brand new stuff. I know its unlikely, but its still possible.
Don't lose faith.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 12:52:39
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 13:23:33
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That's a cool quote, Jason' I've never seen it before. Thanks!
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 22:16:51
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| I totally agree with you, Prozacrat. You're first post. I'd read the rest, but I'm drunker than Martha. Long live Frank Black Francis! |
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Death to the Pixies; Long live the Catholics
