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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/14/2004 : 13:26:28
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Yeah basically you can't erase fate.
Lovely story.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/14/2004 : 15:14:04
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Montauk....I remember it now strangely enough,just needed some gentle persuasion,erm only 1 other thing,might just be me being pedantic.When Elijah Wood's in the car with Clem after she freaks out on the lake he calls her "nice" and I was thinking he was trying to copy Joel again,but that was before the point that Joel called her nice.
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2004 : 15:23:38
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No he wasn't trying to copy him there. That's one reason why she doesn't like the word, 'cos Wood's character calls her it.
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/14/2004 : 15:26:02
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Ahh that makes more sense
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away |
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/14/2004 : 15:31:20
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 05/14/2004 : 15:32:15
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I think it was more like a subconcious painful reminder, when Patrick called her "nice", because Clem called Joel "nice" the first time around, I think. All potential situations with Patrick must have occurred after the first situation with Joel.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2004 : 15:47:46
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Clem called Joel nice, the first time around??? Really? I don't remember that. Oh well, whatever.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 05/14/2004 : 16:34:33
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I was thinking of the train-ride back from Montauk which happened before the opening credits but was chronologically after the Patrick "nice", oops, sorry HPM, your brain is in fine working condition. :)
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 08:27:12
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| It was a little too messy. I would say a lot of people in your average cinema-audience disliked it. Malkovich and Adaptation were a little more upbeat. Not that I was disappointed because it was a gloomy kinda movie, but I just thought it did'nt quite work out. By the way, saw 'Wonderland' the other night, pretty good but it ends rather abruptly. |
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jujube
- FB Fan -
Kiribati
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 10:39:39
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Please, people.
You HAVE to read the original script.
Download it, print it, read it, then cry, then try to kill yourself because you're not Charlie Kaufman and never will.
You'll find it here :
http://www.beingcharliekaufman.com/spotless.txt
You'll thank me later.
Haven't seen the movie yet. I don't even know when it opens, here in Kiribati.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 11:31:14
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I can't be bothered to be honest with you jujube. I was ecstatic enough with the movie,
Thanks anyway.
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:21:21
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I saw this film yesterday. Incredibly good movie. Thanks again to FB.net forum.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 13:39:45
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No problem. Just doing our job.
Listen to Nine Black Alps. |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2004 : 13:47:57
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I saw the film today. I was a little disappointed. Carrey and Winslet and Gondry did their job very well, but I think Kaufman fucked it up a little. Some parts of the film (like the one where he's trying to hide her in an obscure corner of his memory) are clearly too long, and there is nothing left to understand in the film after the first 15 minutes.
The scenes on the beach are very nice.
Carrey is a good dramatic actor.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 14:14:10
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I have to agree with you, Monsieur. It was flat, IMHO. It could have been so much better with more complex characters and less time spent on the psychological mechanisms. It relied too heavily on the trippy factor. Very much like "Being John Malkovich" -tricky and quirky, and lacking the character and story depth to make it really work. That said, the moviemaking (cinematography, editing, moments/scenes) was amazing. Some really beautiful work.
Yeah, Carrey surprised me - he was way better than I expected. |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 14:37:30
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Carrey's performance in Truman Show was really moving, too.
Michel Gondry is a wunderkind and our French pride, among lots of very pretentious and talentless French filmmakers.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 15:08:53
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Michael Gondry is extremely talented. but Patrice Leconte is nothing to be ashamed of. and the guy who did my favorite film of 2003, SECRET THINGS, Jean-Claude Brisseau..
one of my favorite cinematographers, Lance Acord, is french.. he's done some amazing work (BUFFALO 66, BEING JOHN MALCOVICH, ADAPTATION, LOST IN TRANSLATION)
plus AIR are French.
see, you Frenchies got a lot goin' on.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 15:45:42
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It's Michel, not Michael. I still haven't seen "Secret Things".
What do you think about Claire Denis? She is supposed to be THE arty director here in France, and I truly hate her films.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 10/10/2004 : 18:41:09
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Originally posted by Monsieur
It's Michel, not Michael. I still haven't seen "Secret Things".
pardon Monsieur.
i haven't seen any of Claire Denis' films, so i don't know.
you should see SECRET THINGS though.. funny funny. very smart.
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KingOfSiam
- FB LinkMaster -
USA
460 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2004 : 10:46:36
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| Very interesting movie. Haven't seen one this good since Memento! Well. maybe Donny Darko...Excellent movie though. Check it out if you haven't already. |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/15/2004 : 07:24:48
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The movie was great, but the script was even better (though I will admit I only read parts of it). They cut a lot of things out to make it more friendly for anyone. There was a lot of talk about Tom Waits in the script, all of which was omitted from the film, though we did see Rain Dogs for a split second during a montage of items which reminded Joel of Clementine. I thought the soundtrack could have used some Waits. I also thought the very ending of the movie was kind of a letdown. and www.imdb.com says:
The original script featured a cut beginning and ending sequence that took place in the future. In the end, an older Clementine comes in to have the procedure done and a look at her screen shows that she's had the procedure done multiple times and all of them involved Joel. At the very end of the script, an older Joel calls Clementine to ask why she hasn't called, but the technicians performing the procedure erase his message. Other cuts in the original script include a montage of memories people wanted erased, including a soldier seeing his dead friend on a battlefield and a girl who was raped at a young age.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 10/15/2004 : 07:28:04
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how can you tell if the script was a better if you only read parts of it?
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/15/2004 : 07:32:45
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Just the fact that it had Tom Waits references. :)
Inna zany combination of Wayne's Pet Youngin'! |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/15/2004 : 07:37:02
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I think this would have been a much better ending.
INT. SECOND OLD WOMAN'S APARTMENT - NIGHT
The old Clementine is unconscious on her bed, hooked up to
modern versions of the erasing machines. Two young
technicians monitor the equipment. The woman's bedside phone
rings. Her machine picks up. After a moment:
OLD MAN'S VOICE
Hi, it's Joel. What's going on, Clem?
Why won't you call me back? Please call
me. We need to speak.
The machine clicks off. One of the technicians reaches over
and presses the "erase" button on the machine.
BLACK.
THE END
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2004 : 11:13:00
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i disagree. the whole "when they're older" angle in kaufman's original script seemes a little too obvious. i'm surprised that i prefer the movie over the original script.
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