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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1058 Posts |
 Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:04:26
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Yeah i know(or think at least)that this was posted before but i cudnt be arsed 2 wade through the archives and find it.
What's everyone's opinion on a public smoking ban?I can sorta understand if its places like shopping centres,but a ban in pubs?I mean i enjoy smoking while im having a drink,someone else may not,but thats to be expected in a pub, and really,what is between us?why should non-smokers have more rights than smokers?
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:09:20
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Because there are more of us??
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:13:16
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This is completely off-topic, I know, I'm sorry, but I was here and I just saw an advert for a new series of Black Books!
Oh Happy Day!
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:29:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
This is completely off-topic, I know, I'm sorry, but I was here and I just saw an advert for a new series of Black Books!
Oh Happy Day!
"Join the cult of scone/And succumb tothe power of the cream tea"
we're going to see, erm, that guy soon! can't remember his name, but we're going to watch him at the Lowry I think!
Hmm, I should check these details really.
The Shrine of the Sea Monkey!
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:31:34
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Bill Bailey? First class genius
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:38:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
Bill Bailey? First class genius
"Join the cult of scone/And succumb tothe power of the cream tea"
that's who i'm going to see! now to just find the date...
actually have never seen his tv shows, just seen him on buzzcocks really, but he's highly recommended so i thought, might as well!
The Shrine of the Sea Monkey!
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:42:06
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Hey, Cheesy, how can I find Black Books here in France? Is there a DVD or something? I really like british sitcoms.
My favorite was "Only Fools And Horses" (never broadcasted in France). Goddamn, that was funny. Especially Derek, that actor was really great. They were just perfect. I must agree that Brits are the kaisers of humour, unlike the French.
Of course, noone is funnier than the Italians. Just look at their prime minister! He's the funniest guy in the world.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:42:56
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He is one of the funniest people I've ever seen, I'd love to go see his show.
"Join the cult of scone/And succumb to the power of the cream tea" |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 17:44:40
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Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face
that's it.the politically correct,perfectly healthy,flawless mob will lynch everyone who wants to keep his bad habits.
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 18:44:23
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Originally posted by ShakeyShake
why should non-smokers have more rights than smokers?
I really hate that argument; it goes the other way too. Why should smokers have more rights than non-smokers? Besides, everyone has a right to be in a public place and to not be exposed to health risks if they are easily avoided. Smoking is not natural; standing in place and not smoking is. I should not have to leave a place because my health or the health of my family is being threatened by a smoker. A smoker has the right to cause him or herself damage but not others. That is a basic human right.
 "I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 19:06:04
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I don't think a public smoking ban should be enforced nationally or state wide. I think it should be up to the individual business or chain to decide whether or not they want to allow smoking.
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 19:15:29
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I'm all for a public smoking ban for pretty much exactly the same reason as what realmeanmotorscutor said. I think we're getting one over here in Gwinnett County, GA, where I live very soon
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 20:45:58
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Whenever I read in the papers about smoking bans I see always see the same arguments: The rights of smokers vs. the rights of non-smokers. And I hardly ever see the argument that El Barto makes.
He is exactly right: So-called public places like resturants and bars are not owned by the public. Whoever owns the business should decide whether or not to allow smoking. Then customers can decide for themselves whether or not to go there.
Unfortunately its usually resturant and bar owners themselves who are throwing away their own rights. For instance, one resturant owner may ban smoking at his place, but once he sees the drop in business, he tries to get the city to ban smoking in all resturants so there will be a "level playing field". Then when people start going to neighboring towns, more owners from the original city make the same arguement to get a statewide ban. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 21:56:07
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| If the owner decides to allow smoking, then the employees get screwed. If a waitress doesn't want to breathe smoke 8 hours/day, is her only option to quit? Somehow that doesn't seem fair. |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 22:11:04
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Funny this came up, they're discussing a province-wide ban of smoking in public places in Mantoba.
I'm all for it.
I absolutely hate having to breath smoke when i'm at a show, and i come home smelling like it. Not to mention i'm mildly allergic to it.
On top of that, smoke is harmful. I can't go and release other toxic gases in public places, why can smokers do it? And why do employee's have to put up with it as well? (Thanks BLT.)
If there are other known carcinogens on a worksite, they HAVE to be removed, thanks to Federal regulations. It's absolutely ridiculous that this known carcinogen is allowed to be spread in public places.
Individual enforcement is generally ruled by finances, and i don't think that is an appropriate way to determine the handling of carcinogens.
It's bad enough companies are fined less to dump toxins into rivers than pay for proper disposal...
It's a public health concern, and it infringes on one's right not to be harmed by others. I really don't understand why there is any controversy at all.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 22:36:00
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I wouldn't mind a public smoking ban. I should have the right to breath in smoke-free air all the time. I can't hold my breath everytime I'm around a smoker. And another thing, it sounds so stupid saying "I have the right to breath fresh air." It shouldn't be a right, it should be an automatically natural thing that I don't have to breath in smoke from a man-made cancer joint
C'mon guys, Tom Waits quit smoking. You can too.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 01:33:32
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"Obnoxious , self-righteous, whining little fucks. My biggest fear is that if I quit smoking, I'll become one of you...Don't take that wrong. I have something to tell you non-smokers that I know for a fact that you don't know, and I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times. Ready?.......Non-smokers die every day...Enjoy your evening. See, I know that you entertain this eternal life fantasy because you've chosen not to smoke, but let me be the 1st to POP that bubble and bring you hurtling back to reality....You're dead too. "
Bill Hicks
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 02:53:33
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i fully support a ban on smoking in public places.
and i think the points raised here sum it all up, so i won't repeat any of them.
I believe Ireland has very recently brought in or is bringing in a ban of such magnitude, so i'd be interested in hearing an Irishman's view (Carl?).
I also think New Zealand is about to bring one in, and i cannot wait to go home once it does.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
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ispini tapaidh
- FB Fan -
Ireland
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 05:20:07
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| The ban is set to start on the 29th of March here in Ireland. It's not being banned in public places per se, but all places of employment (with a few exceptions such as mental institutions, hotel rooms and a couple of others). The pubs and hotels have been kicking up shite about it for ages, and there may be another legal challenge to it in the pipeline, but I have to say I agree with the ban from the point of view of the employee's health. It just makes sense. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 05:37:03
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I'm all for it.
cf realmeanmotorscutor and dave's posts. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:49:44
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The employees- I don't believe that changes anything. Those employees have a choice of whether or not to work at a place where smoking is allowed.
This is another example of people claiming to hold non-existant rights. In this case, all that matters is an individual's property rights- the resturant and bar owners. Just as the public doesn't have a right to demand how someone else runs their own business, employees do not have a right to make those demands either.
It seems that these days, very few people are in favor of allowing people to deal with one another voluntarily- meaning if you don't like the policies of a certain business, then you don't have anything to do with them.
People don't care about the fairness of laws, only whether or not they favor their own position. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 10:08:07
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| I think you're a little off base with this one. A business that caters to the general public is still governed by laws in the interest of public safety/health. If you want to be exempt from some of that, you could turn it into a private club and require membership, but it still wouldn't exempt you from all laws. There are more rights than just "an individual's property rights". Should a restaurateur (who caters openly to the public) be allowed to refuse entry to health inspectors because it's "his property"? What about the fire department? |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 10:33:24
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Generally I don't argue either way with this subject, but it would be kind of nice to not have to come home reeking from a show.
Red Ken was trying to introduce a ban on public smoking a while ago, but I haven't heard much recently. I think it goes against a lot of British nature for this kind of infringement, but then look at our archaic licensing laws...
Still undecided though.
"Join the cult of scone/And succumb to the power of the cream tea" |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 10:39:26
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In South Africa smoking in a public place has been banned for the past few years now. Restaurants must have sectioned off designated smoking areas, if anyone is caught smoking outside of these areas the restaurant owner has to pay a huge fine. It works! You can eat without some selfish prick spoiling your meal with his eye stinging, lung scorching fumes.
When I visited Europe last year I was reminded once again how unpleasant it was to have smoke being blown into your face wherever you walk or sit down to eat or drink. I was amazed at how many young people were smoking like it is the coolest thing ever.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 10:43:53
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Problem is, everybody's teeth are already yellow!
How is SA, btw? I'm planning a trip there next month.
"Join the cult of scone/And succumb to the power of the cream tea" |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 11:24:20
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 11:27:54
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i wouldn't be bothered by a ban public smoking. basically because i don't smoke and it can only benefit me... haha.
This is such an unprincipled statement that I can only assume you're joking. You are joking, right? |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 11:43:35
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| well, it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. but really, i don't smoke, i think it's a filthy habit, but I am not that bothered by public smokers. Whether or not it gets banned is not really an area I am interested in. |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 11:45:54
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i say fuck at those stupid anti smoke overeaction.w.t.f?ban cars and petrol too if you think that this will save you from something.passive smoke damage is so pumped up that it makes me sick.it's illegal to smoke a sigarette in a stadium but it's legal to drive a SUV that burns 15-18 lt per 100km.human hypocricy at it's best.
some medical facts:
1)active smoking increases the PROBABILITY of lung cancer and does not directly causes it.in fact i know a couple of 90 year olds that smoke 2 packs a day.
2)passive smoking IS harmful for your health but it's not worse than normal city smog pollution
i'm not trying to say that smoking is good for you but stop it with this hysterical overeactions.the issue has nothing to do with health or ethics.it's plain hysteria "oh my god,he's smoking!my baby will be born with 3 legs and a lung cancer"
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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holidaysong
- FB Fan -
Ireland
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 12:55:02
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Irelands smoking ban gna be very very hard to enforce me thinks - do u wana try stop big drunk irish guys from stopping smoking at 11pm when they know too well u aint gna ring the gardaí on them..but hey i'm all for it.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 16:47:53
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I don't think a public smoking ban should be enforced nationally or state wide. I think it should be up to the individual business or chain to decide whether or not they want to allow smoking.
I'd have to agree with this, really. I think smoking is disgusting and I'd rather not have to breathe it in, but I don't think it's the place of the government to dictate whether or not businesses should allow it. I can generally make my own decision to avoid smoke-filled buildings.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2004 : 19:49:56
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| Congrats, VoVat, you get the sanity award, for a nonsmoker that is. |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 21:19:20
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yes, because supportinga smoking ban for the health of the masses is clearly insane.
"I joined the Cult of Popeye / The CoF required my good eye" |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 21:35:09
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i wouldn't be bothered by a ban public smoking. basically because i don't smoke and it can only benefit me... haha.
This is such an unprincipled statement that I can only assume you're joking. You are joking, right?
Unprincpled like this, Erebus?
"Given human nature, anything that keeps us from realizing our true potential has my vote." - Erebus |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2004 : 07:37:56
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Public opinion about smoking is always changing and if it changes back in favor of smoking here's what could happen:
Laws might be passed requiring all resturants and bars to allow smoking. Why not- if you guys have already established that the owners don't have a right to decide about their own property, then this could happen too. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2004 : 08:04:50
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Originally posted by speedy_m
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i wouldn't be bothered by a ban public smoking. basically because i don't smoke and it can only benefit me... haha.
This is such an unprincipled statement that I can only assume you're joking. You are joking, right?
Unprincpled like this, Erebus?
"Given human nature, anything that keeps us from realizing our true potential has my vote." - Erebus
Hey, that's principled! ;) a la human nature as brutish should therefore be limited. or, as the Nietzsche said, "Human All Too Human". |
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