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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Sprite
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 Posted - 10/21/2024 : 13:00:15
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Pretty positive!
It's gonna be a long wait till Friday.... |
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tamefan
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Posted - 10/21/2024 : 21:00:08
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| Does anyone know if Emma's "Beatles-esque harmonies" (Slant review) are re-recordings of Paz's harmonies or if they are new creations? |
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yarbles
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 00:05:33
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Originally posted by tamefan
Does anyone know if Emma's "Beatles-esque harmonies" (Slant review) are re-recordings of Paz's harmonies or if they are new creations?
No way of knowing what Paz's parts were like originally, unless we had access to the original recordings from October 2023. |
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tamefan
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 01:09:03
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| It is a guessing game. Does a backing vocalist normally write their own backing harmonies or are those written by the lead songwriter? Charles is typically the sole credited writer, which suggests that he writes them. Hmm. I also wouldn't be surprised if Charles delegated to the backing vocalist. And the description of "Beatles-esque" harmonies on Zombies sounds, to me, like a description that could be applied to Paz's harmonies on Doggerel, which, then, might suggest Emma is singing parts written by Paz. Or, that all of these parts were written by Charles. I was hoping that perhaps someone in the band had said something that might clue us into what Emma had or had not altered in the recording process. Would the band rewrite anything done by Paz out of principle, even if it meant a worse song? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 01:16:05
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We do know that Emma did her recording remote, so I think she wrote her own parts and Dalgety supported her like he does with other band members
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tamefan
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 01:24:18
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| Re-recording and re-writing are different, though; and it's not clear who writes the backing vocal harmonies. It seems established that Emma rewrote the bass lines. |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 01:24:42
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She did record her parts remotely in England with Tom, before ever actually meeting the rest of the band in person. She probably took some creative liberties, either her own choices or based on guidance from Tom. But I'm guessing the majority of the parts were already there on Paz's vocal takes, I can't imagine them changing too radically.
I would LOVE to hear the rough tracks from that Guilford Sounds session last Ooctober. Would be really interesting to hear the Paz version vs the final Emma version.
Maybe one way to glean how much the vocals changed is to compare Paz's version of Que Sera Sera to the final released version with Emma. Subtle changes, and I think it comes more down to the tone/feel of their voices. Paz was a little more subdued/raspy even? While Emma is a bit more strong/solid. Both good, but just different. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 02:03:28
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If I was Tom I would never give the recordings of Paz' vocal and bass to Emma. But who knows?
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 02:33:50
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Maybe just a reference? Kinda like a demo/jumping off point... like... here's the songs Charles wrote and the band assembled, we need to record these things ASAP to get back on schedule as much as we can, here's what we've done so far.
Or maybe he just had Emma go for it with only Charles', Joey's, and Dave's parts. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 06:05:33
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Yeah, with a tight schedule it could be a good way to work
Still, maybe a fresh approach could also go a lot faster than trying to sound like somebody else.
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 19:56:36
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Originally posted by tamefan
It is a guessing game. Does a backing vocalist normally write their own backing harmonies or are those written by the lead songwriter? Charles is typically the sole credited writer, which suggests that he writes them.
That's not what songwriting means in the context of band credits. The songwriter composes the words/melody/chords of a song (ie, imagine Frank performing it solo with an acoustic guitar. That's the song.) Everything else is arrangement by the band. Bass, drums, lead guitar, harmonies, keyboard, etc. You can take any of those away (like at a Frank solo show) and the song is still the song fundamentally.
Of course this very issue has created many conflicts in the world of music.
I agree that Tom absolutely SHOULDN'T have given Emma the parts Paz recorded. Let her shine on her own.
I also think, based on the Pixies podcast, Frank seems fairly hands off and not only lets the band members do what they want, but doesn't even seem to be present at some of those sessions. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/22/2024 : 20:08:13
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Those are some really good reviews
Congrats Charles and team
Can’t wait to hear it |
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tamefan
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Posted - 10/23/2024 : 02:45:56
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
detailed explanation
Thanks! That was super insightful and clarifying. I learned a lot from your post.  |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
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955 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2024 : 06:26:39
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Yes it's an interesting topic, because one could easily argue for many songs, the arrangement is what makes them popular (like a catchy synth riff, or a danceable drum beat, or Kim's voice, or George Harrison's solo, etc), and so how do you divide credit (and money) in terms of who "wrote" the song. I'm mostly a believer in what I said above, that the song is the singer, with one instrument, playing the song by themselves, and everything else is decoration on top. But many songs stretch this.
For example, Soul Coughing is a band where what the rhythm section does is so invaluable and integral to the song, I don't think many of the songs even work as solo performances (which I've seen live), so I'd call them "songwriters" essentially also, even though Doughty wrote the words, and sometimes the guitar chords, and this was another huge source of contention within that band.
On topic: I'm glad when they get good reviews but I don't know if the rest of the world thinks of the Pixies the way I do, and I often disagree or don't even comprehend the reviews of their music. So whether Zombies (still hate the title, deeply) is getting good reviews or not doesn't really give me any optimism. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/24/2024 : 00:46:34
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DIY Mag (4.5/5) https://diymag.com/review/album/pixies-the-night-the-zombies-came
That's a great review. The No Kim No Deal crowd will not be happy.
When is the No Kim/No Deal crowd ever happy when it comes to modern day Pixies? |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/24/2024 : 02:47:52
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Yes of course. I just thought many Pixies 2.0 album reviews (esp since BTE onwards) are "It's good, but still something missing", whereas that one read as "Its really really good" in absolute terms.
Anyway will find out in a few hours. I'm half expecting to prefer Doggerel by the end of it. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/24/2024 : 03:09:00
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I just spun BTE yesterday
What a fantastic album from start to finish
We Pixies fans really are spoiled
What other bands are producing like this? |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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QuaBear
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Brank_Flack
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/24/2024 : 09:41:19
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/24/2024 : 09:54:41
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| theeeemeeeee froooooommmm NAAAAARRRRCCCCC |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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QuaBear
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tamefan
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Posted - 10/25/2024 : 06:01:56
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"an echo of an echo of former glories"
poor phil doesn't get it. how lame would it be if Pixies were clinging to their past? |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2024 : 06:51:17
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Originally posted by Sprite
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
The Guardian 2/5: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/oct/25/pixies-the-night-the-zombies-came-review-an-echo-of-an-echo-of-past-glories
They also gave Beneath the Eyrie 2/5 (but Doggerel 4/5), so make of that what you will.
Doggerel reviewer got sacked I heard. Big No Kim No Deal energy at Guardian Towers.
It's odd. I haven't much time for that thing you see in Facebook fan groups for bands where they decry any review that doesn't evangelise about their band. But the Guardian seems to have a particular grudge against FB. I remember an article that gave the band a kicking for continuing after Kim walked out on them.
Maybe Kim's record getting a much more favourable writeup. I'm looking forward to it, but not expecting it to sound any different to any other album she's put out! |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2024 : 13:27:59
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Originally posted by Ziggy
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Originally posted by Sprite
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
The Guardian 2/5: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/oct/25/pixies-the-night-the-zombies-came-review-an-echo-of-an-echo-of-past-glories
They also gave Beneath the Eyrie 2/5 (but Doggerel 4/5), so make of that what you will.
Doggerel reviewer got sacked I heard. Big No Kim No Deal energy at Guardian Towers.
It's odd. I haven't much time for that thing you see in Facebook fan groups for bands where they decry any review that doesn't evangelise about their band. But the Guardian seems to have a particular grudge against FB. I remember an article that gave the band a kicking for continuing after Kim walked out on them.
Maybe Kim's record getting a much more favourable writeup. I'm looking forward to it, but not expecting it to sound any different to any other album she's put out!
The Guardian like to push the line the Pixies don't matter. Whereas the truth is they matter more than ever. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2024 : 13:30:44
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Anyway here is a nice review and David interview combo from the Irish Times.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2024/10/25/my-advice-for-oasis-have-pixies-as-your-opening-act/
Includes this brilliant story:
He adjusts his baseball hat and continues. “I’m just a guy who plays drums. It’s a nice thing to hear. But I have a funny story, ‘cos I knew Kurt. This was once on Super Bowl Sunday – this is a long time ago.” Lovering, Cobain and Courtney Love, his wife, “went all together to an amusement park called Six Flags in Valencia, California. There was nobody there. Just us – five people total. We were walking around. Kurt was in pyjamas. All of a sudden we hear, ‘Oh my God, it’s David Lovering, it’s David Lovering.’ Some kid had recognised me – not Kurt Cobain. He recognised me. You’ve got to be kidding me.” |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/25/2024 : 13:32:27
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Originally posted by Sprite
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Originally posted by Ziggy
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Originally posted by Sprite
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
The Guardian 2/5: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/oct/25/pixies-the-night-the-zombies-came-review-an-echo-of-an-echo-of-past-glories
They also gave Beneath the Eyrie 2/5 (but Doggerel 4/5), so make of that what you will.
Doggerel reviewer got sacked I heard. Big No Kim No Deal energy at Guardian Towers.
It's odd. I haven't much time for that thing you see in Facebook fan groups for bands where they decry any review that doesn't evangelise about their band. But the Guardian seems to have a particular grudge against FB. I remember an article that gave the band a kicking for continuing after Kim walked out on them.
Maybe Kim's record getting a much more favourable writeup. I'm looking forward to it, but not expecting it to sound any different to any other album she's put out!
The Guardian like to push the line the Pixies don't matter. Whereas the truth is they matter more than ever.
Would you be willing to expand on what you mean? |
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The Night the Zombies Came Reviews
