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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =

USA
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Posted - 09/17/2024 : 12:50:57
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quote: Originally posted by Stevio10
Maybe the lyrics on Motoroller resonate with Paz, in particular;
It's like watching a line erased Just right when you found your place
I'm probably wrong but the lyrics sound like they could be referring to when Kim left before Indie Cindy
I washed away all my sin I tried to call you on the telephone And now I gotta do this all alone
I recall a bit of a strange answer from BF when he was asked what he did when Kim left and said he shaved his pubic hair.
I remember thinking that was a bit of a strange response - maybe symbolically that was him washing away his sin.
Then trying to call her on the phone and the feeling of having to do it on his own.
A line erased both figuratively (end of an era) and literally (Kim's parts being redone) seemingly repeating itself with Paz and maybe 'erased' is how she feels.
Just a thought, probably wrong but that's what came to mind when I heard the lyrics.
Oh and not a fan of the recent videos. Last decent video was Um Chagga Lagga, What Goes Boom still best.
I'm not seeing the Kim angle on this, but in almost every song I see a Violet angle. That breakup I'm sure is the profound one that really hurts and he keeps revisiting, 3 albums later.
Did Grand Duchy ever do anything with a saxophone? That line for whatever reason sounds like the musical side of their relationship, they tried it for awhile but ultimately that shit was blown. they ran out of time, they ran out of space, their line has been erased.
I like how the song ends super abruptly as well. Like an eraser has just swept through the song and left nothing in it's wake. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
  
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Posted - 09/17/2024 : 13:27:47
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Motoroller is definitely loaded with soteriology that’s for sure, begs for a deeper look |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
   
Netherlands
6319 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2024 : 22:15:38
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From a recent Frank interview: Can Thompson shed any light on what happened?
“Probably not, because I think that starts to get into people’s, you know… it’s a privacy issue,” he says. “But it became clear to us that we felt like she needed a break from our process, that something wasn’t right. And you know, I’m sure it did come as a surprise to her, but it was not a surprise to us.” He says “the rest of the band was in accord” it was either Pixies stop or proceed without her. “It wasn’t a callous moving forward.”
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
 
United Kingdom
1141 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2024 : 11:37:27
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quote: Originally posted by yarbles
quote: Originally posted by Stevio10
Maybe the lyrics on Motoroller resonate with Paz, in particular;
It's like watching a line erased Just right when you found your place
I'm probably wrong but the lyrics sound like they could be referring to when Kim left before Indie Cindy
I washed away all my sin I tried to call you on the telephone And now I gotta do this all alone
I recall a bit of a strange answer from BF when he was asked what he did when Kim left and said he shaved his pubic hair.
I remember thinking that was a bit of a strange response - maybe symbolically that was him washing away his sin.
Then trying to call her on the phone and the feeling of having to do it on his own.
A line erased both figuratively (end of an era) and literally (Kim's parts being redone) seemingly repeating itself with Paz and maybe 'erased' is how she feels.
Just a thought, probably wrong but that's what came to mind when I heard the lyrics.
Oh and not a fan of the recent videos. Last decent video was Um Chagga Lagga, What Goes Boom still best.
I'm not seeing the Kim angle on this, but in almost every song I see a Violet angle. That breakup I'm sure is the profound one that really hurts and he keeps revisiting, 3 albums later.
Did Grand Duchy ever do anything with a saxophone? That line for whatever reason sounds like the musical side of their relationship, they tried it for awhile but ultimately that shit was blown. they ran out of time, they ran out of space, their line has been erased.
I like how the song ends super abruptly as well. Like an eraser has just swept through the song and left nothing in it's wake.
Kim angle on recent interview;
“She and I spoke on the telephone, but she was literally on the tarmac to fly back to Ohio. I think I was seeking some sort of closure, or understanding. And she did her best to come up with something that didn’t sound harsh, or unfriendly. It didn’t matter. She was on the f**king plane.”
https://inews.co.uk/culture/music/pixies-interview-kim-deal-3339928 |
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Mad Lucas
- FB Fan -
Australia
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Posted - 11/29/2024 : 12:55:21
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Emma was really solid live, particularly her vocals, when I saw them in Melbourne and Sydney.
There were occasional moments where her and Dave had some push and pull tempo-wise. Dave is sitting pretty 'behind the beat' these days, and Emma sits more towards the front.
I've watched plenty of Paz era footage live and attended two concerts and I felt like she seems a more intuitive musician who can adapt and roll with the hiccups in a song a little easier than Emma does. I really do miss her in the band |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
   
Netherlands
6319 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2024 : 23:03:57
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Paz was also a energetic force I guess she is the most showy musician in the Pixies ever It was a thrill to see her
But I have a hard time Paz or even Kim singing as good on Primrose, Hypnotize and Mercy Me
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Mad Lucas
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 11/30/2024 : 15:21:37
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quote: Originally posted by billgoodman
Paz was also a energetic force I guess she is the most showy musician in the Pixies ever It was a thrill to see her
But I have a hard time Paz or even Kim singing as good on Primrose, Hypnotize and Mercy Me
--------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
They certainly let Emma demonstrate her strengths giving her so much vocal time.
I wonder whether her arrival is part of why BF is singing in such a baritone on so many tracks. Their voices an octave apart sound fantastic |
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Mad Lucas
- FB Fan -
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192 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2024 : 15:22:47
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quote: Originally posted by billgoodman
Paz was also a energetic force I guess she is the most showy musician in the Pixies ever It was a thrill to see her
But I have a hard time Paz or even Kim singing as good on Primrose, Hypnotize and Mercy Me
--------------------------- BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Re: Paz's energy, I agree. I've never heard them play better than the Come on Pilgrim It's Surfer Rosa live recordings |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
 
United Kingdom
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
 
1360 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2025 : 02:31:26
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She comes across very well in that. We'll see on the next record if they made a mistake.... |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
 
Canada
1097 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2025 : 07:13:17
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Having been a band player most of your career, was it easy to find your voice as a songwriter?
It happened so organically that it did come very naturally. When I look back at my journey, I find that I’m really a chameleon as a collaborator. I want to know who you are and become a part of you to collaborate with you. It’s all about their ideas, their aesthetic, their background. I started my career with giants. From that place, I’m very submissive. When you’re submissive, you also gain a lot of their knowledge to adapt to their ways. I will say that with Pixies it pushed me in other ways that none of the other bands could have. In Pixies I was doing something that I don’t recommend to anyone, and that is to replace someone you idolize. You end up becoming the stepmother to where no matter how good you are, you’re never going to be them. Kim [Deal] was also a leader of the band, and it really pushed me to become not just a mysterious rock chick in the back — I had to step forward. The most I have gained from Pixies was Charles’ [vocalist/songwriter Black Francis’] writing ability. He offered me a skill that has helped me onward. His mindset is really compatible with mine, and I cherish what I learned from him, even though I’m extremely upset with the band and their irresponsibility of how they let me go.
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Let’s talk about your split from the Pixies. There’s a lot of speculation online about what happened, but tell us exactly what went down.
I recorded the entire album with them. I contributed ideas and vocals, and then, shortly after finishing, I found out I’d been replaced. It wasn’t handled directly, which made it hard for me to process. If I hadn’t gone to the rehearsal I was meant to attend, I might never have seen them again. Ariel Pink picked me up and insisted I face them and collect my bass and wardrobe myself. I walked in, said my quiet goodbye, and that was that. I had no idea the Hollywood Bowl (September 17th, 2023) show would be my last with the band.
Was it entirely unexpected?
I had sensed tension for a while, mostly around equality. I wasn’t paid or treated as an equal, and that imbalance takes a toll. I gave everything to them and just wanted fairness — equality, not more. It’s a form of respect for the work and dedication. Looking back, maybe that created friction, but it came from wanting to be valued.
Had it grown turbulent?
There was pressure, but I ignored it and kept things professional. I wasn’t going to quit — I loved my job. Eventually, they made their decision. It’s unfortunate they couldn’t communicate it face-to-face.
That must have been extremely difficult, after spending a decade of your life with that band.
It was painful, especially not having sat down together to discuss something that meant so much to me — my job. I believed we were family, but I learned it was more business than family. That realization was tough, but it cleared the way for something new.
How did you handle it when you first found out?
I got the email on my 50th birthday. It ended with “It is what it is.” Later, the announcement went out in a way that wasn’t accurate, which fueled rumors. I chose to stay quiet and focus on a graceful exit. The best way to process it was through music — which not only gave me peace of mind but also my first album. I’m pretty proud of the production. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
 
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2025 : 07:19:34
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Release the Paz cut...
She was really treated unfairly. It sucks. I'll definitely check out her solo album, though her Pixies contributions in songwriting are not my favorites.
When she posted on Instagram about starting her own record label, I commented saying hey, me and my wife made an album we're really proud of and we need a label to release it, can I send it to you? She liked the comment, which was thrilling for me. But nobody got in touch and I sent out an email inquiring how I could get it to them and got no response. This business is frustrating. (edit: giving it another go. Why not? Sending an e-mail now...) |
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QuaBear
- FB Fan -
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2025 : 12:40:39
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quote: Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Having been a band player most of your career, was it easy to find your voice as a songwriter?
It happened so organically that it did come very naturally. When I look back at my journey, I find that I’m really a chameleon as a collaborator. I want to know who you are and become a part of you to collaborate with you. It’s all about their ideas, their aesthetic, their background. I started my career with giants. From that place, I’m very submissive. When you’re submissive, you also gain a lot of their knowledge to adapt to their ways. I will say that with Pixies it pushed me in other ways that none of the other bands could have. In Pixies I was doing something that I don’t recommend to anyone, and that is to replace someone you idolize. You end up becoming the stepmother to where no matter how good you are, you’re never going to be them. Kim [Deal] was also a leader of the band, and it really pushed me to become not just a mysterious rock chick in the back — I had to step forward. The most I have gained from Pixies was Charles’ [vocalist/songwriter Black Francis’] writing ability. He offered me a skill that has helped me onward. His mindset is really compatible with mine, and I cherish what I learned from him, even though I’m extremely upset with the band and their irresponsibility of how they let me go.
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Let’s talk about your split from the Pixies. There’s a lot of speculation online about what happened, but tell us exactly what went down.
I recorded the entire album with them. I contributed ideas and vocals, and then, shortly after finishing, I found out I’d been replaced. It wasn’t handled directly, which made it hard for me to process. If I hadn’t gone to the rehearsal I was meant to attend, I might never have seen them again. Ariel Pink picked me up and insisted I face them and collect my bass and wardrobe myself. I walked in, said my quiet goodbye, and that was that. I had no idea the Hollywood Bowl (September 17th, 2023) show would be my last with the band.
Was it entirely unexpected?
I had sensed tension for a while, mostly around equality. I wasn’t paid or treated as an equal, and that imbalance takes a toll. I gave everything to them and just wanted fairness — equality, not more. It’s a form of respect for the work and dedication. Looking back, maybe that created friction, but it came from wanting to be valued.
Had it grown turbulent?
There was pressure, but I ignored it and kept things professional. I wasn’t going to quit — I loved my job. Eventually, they made their decision. It’s unfortunate they couldn’t communicate it face-to-face.
That must have been extremely difficult, after spending a decade of your life with that band.
It was painful, especially not having sat down together to discuss something that meant so much to me — my job. I believed we were family, but I learned it was more business than family. That realization was tough, but it cleared the way for something new.
How did you handle it when you first found out?
I got the email on my 50th birthday. It ended with “It is what it is.” Later, the announcement went out in a way that wasn’t accurate, which fueled rumors. I chose to stay quiet and focus on a graceful exit. The best way to process it was through music — which not only gave me peace of mind but also my first album. I’m pretty proud of the production.
If this is true, then truly fuck Charles and company. That ain't just or fair. Troubling to hear this. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
 
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2025 : 13:30:22
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Sanity reminder that none of us were there, there's always multiple sides to every story, we don't know what it's like to be in a band with any of these people, and there's probably a lot to the story we're not privy to. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
 
Canada
1097 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2025 : 16:04:57
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quote: Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
Sanity reminder that none of us were there, there's always multiple sides to every story, we don't know what it's like to be in a band with any of these people, and there's probably a lot to the story we're not privy to.
Yes. Lots of unfortunate details here, but perhaps some of the speculation from earlier in the thread is strengthened by the Ariel Pink appearance. |
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QuaBear
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 10/16/2025 : 09:10:02
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quote: Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
Sanity reminder that none of us were there, there's always multiple sides to every story, we don't know what it's like to be in a band with any of these people, and there's probably a lot to the story we're not privy to.
Definitely have to hear both sides, which is why I wrote "if true." In any case, one would have to be an investigative reporter to get at the bottom of this, because Charles and Company would have biased perspectives as well. Would need other sources. The Ariel Pink thing is interesting and could be a contributing factor, but I don't think it's enough evidence to really pin down what went down, especially given Paz's side of the story. |
Edited by - QuaBear on 10/16/2025 09:10:48 |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
 
Canada
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
 
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2025 : 15:54:44
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Ok. Who has a link to the damn song?
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8VAblIaADA
Listening. Um, this doesn't seem like a big deal to me? It's just a sort of descending melody you'd hear in a million other songs? Curious what others think. |
Edited by - Troubles A Foot on 10/16/2025 15:57:58 |
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The Maharal
* Dog in the Sand *
 
1023 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2025 : 23:18:27
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Can we erase All I Think About Now as well? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
   
Netherlands
6319 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2025 : 23:58:44
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Can't believe that money was the main problem resulting in her departure She was so good in keeping the band energetic and relevant
There's more to the story, I'm sure
Still, if money is the main source of friction, they are all fools
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
 
Canada
1097 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2025 : 06:28:35
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Charles was talking about how it was getting to the point that either they fired her or the band couldn't keep going. Hard to believe that it was primarily about money rather than interpersonal issues, which isn't to say that everything was handled well. |
Edited by - Brank_Flack on 10/17/2025 09:29:28 |
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QuaBear
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/17/2025 : 07:58:41
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quote: Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Charles was talking about how it was getting to the point that either they fired her or the band couldn't keep going. Hard to believe that it was primarily about money rather than interpersonal issues, which isn't too say that everything was handled well.
Yeh, but what does "...or the band couldn't keep going" actually mean? Pretty vague and ambiguous....could mean money, could mean many things....
All that being said, I'm sure we'll get more details eventually. |
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
 
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2025 : 20:33:23
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So what do people think of Paz's new album? I listened to it in the car today. I was surprised that it's not really a pop or rock album. It's a weird indie artsy thing that at times feels kind of free form. Very dreamy and melancholy. I can't say it's something I'll listen to a lot, but it's interesting.
I have to say, on just first listen, there were tons of lyrics that seemed, to me at least, clearly about her experience with the Pixies. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
   
Netherlands
6319 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2025 : 03:25:05
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I will listen eventually, haven't done it yet Still a shame that such a creative person, multi instrumentalist, is not part of our favorite band anymore
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