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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  11:35:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Maharal

Do they still have the same manager who was a bit of a dope during Shattuck's time?

Don't think it'll change much in how the band sounds, on record anyway. Dalgety seems to be in charge there.





You mean the guy who managed the Spice Girls ?

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  11:46:39  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by pot

Is she any good then, Emma?
I have to say I was looking forward to seeing Paz for the first time - a band member with plenty experience in the band and now looks like they're finding a last minute replacement for a very special tour



You may someday be saying, "I caught the first [only?] tour that Emma ever did with Pixies."

Wait and see, I guess...


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  11:47:49  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Sprite

Clutching at straws here....but could this be a guerrilla campaign to inject some energy into this forum?



I can neither confirm nor deny.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  11:50:36  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
You may someday be saying, "I caught the first [only?] tour that Emma ever did with Pixies."

Wait and see, I guess...



Sure yeah I was also thinking that too - maybe
Perhaps Iím looking at this from too much of a glass half empty perspective
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Stevio10
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  11:55:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not to sound like a creep but from checking the official Pixies Instagram can see Paz liked pretty much all the posts up until November - after that nada.

That was around the same time she posted the Halloween costume vote that descended into the Ariel Pink debacle.

Whether the decision was the bands, Charles, management or a combination is unknown but it certainly looks like it was a major factor.

Edited by - Stevio10 on 03/04/2024 11:56:14
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  11:57:54  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Lol she looks like a mix of Kim number 1 and Paz
I donít want to believe this was done on purpose ! :-D



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I looked at her Insta and Iím not sure if itís her in the latest pics but it looks like sheís sporting a Yaz haircut now - or I suppose Violet also - I mean short hair dyed white
Iíd prefer a clone that looks ore like the original Kim Deal myself like in the above photo but I suppose the important thing is what her bass playing and wishy washy female indie vocals are like
At least though potentially if she also replaced Violet in Grand Duchy going forward then sheíd have the right look there
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picpic
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:01:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Stevio10

Not to sound like a creep but from checking the official Pixies Instagram can see Paz liked pretty much all the posts up until November - after that nada.

That was around the same time she posted the Halloween costume vote that descended into the Ariel Pink debacle.

Whether the decision was the bands, Charles, management or a combination is unknown but it certainly looks like it was a major factor.



Even more pathetic if you consider that most of the band non-US audience donít have a clue about who Ariel Pink is and/or what MAGA mean (I had to Google it up).



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Sprite
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:07:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The tweet announcing the news is locked for replies, which tells its own story.
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tamefan
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:09:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it's true that Charles fired Paz over some dumb political disagreement, that makes me think less of him, not her. I really hope she was fired for another reason.

Edited by - tamefan on 03/04/2024 12:10:27
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:10:32  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10

Not to sound like a creep but from checking the official Pixies Instagram can see Paz liked pretty much all the posts up until November - after that nada.

That was around the same time she posted the Halloween costume vote that descended into the Ariel Pink debacle.

Whether the decision was the bands, Charles, management or a combination is unknown but it certainly looks like it was a major factor.



I really donít know much about Ariel Pink just a name Iíve heard but I googled him/her/whatever and thereís something about they were in attendance at the Jan 6 insurrection..
Not sure if thereís any wind to this speculation but interesting to see where it goes as perhaps more information comes to light

As for the Jan 6 stuff an interesting side comment - around the time when I was also followed by Charles on Twitter I was also followed by Reid Paley but one time he blocked me for suggesting the Jan 6 insurrection was a faked event (which in my own opinion and many others mostly MAGA types it was) and he blocked me
The reason he followed me intitially was also because he tweeted ďYeeshĒ and just that one time which I caught on my feed as soon as he tweeted it and for a laugh decided to retweet it

Anyway, someone commented earlier that Charles was very intolerant of MAGA types so with that in mind maybe there is something to this theory?

Maybe also they didnít feel Paz was working well with the BossaTrompe material and decided to audition a replacement behind her back? Pretty mean thing to do and I would be surprised if Paz couldnít handle those albums but this might also explain the lack of material thatís been played from those albums over the years
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:12:42  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

The tweet announcing the news is locked for replies, which tells its own story.



Iím also unable to reply to Pazís Instagram post about it
Not everyone - limited replies or something
For some reason the algorithm singled me out and said Nope not this guy..
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Sprite
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:18:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by pot

Maybe also they didnít feel Paz was working well with the BossaTrompe material and decided to audition a replacement behind her back? Pretty mean thing to do and I would be surprised if Paz couldnít handle those albums but this might also explain the lack of material thatís been played from those albums over the years



I'd believe it more likely the other way around and she told Frank he wasn't playing it properly.
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Sprite
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:20:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by tamefan

If it's true that Charles fired Paz over some dumb political disagreement, that makes me think less of him, not her. I really hope she was fired for another reason.



100%.

Have to say I am more bummed with this departure than Kim's. At least I could understand Kim left for her own reasons.
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:24:19  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite
I'd believe it more likely the other way around and she told Frank he wasn't playing it properly.



Yeah thatís bound the hurt the ego of any legacy indie rock stalwart
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tamefan
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:27:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Stevio10

Not to sound like a creep but from checking the official Pixies Instagram can see Paz liked pretty much all the posts up until November - after that nada.

That was around the same time she posted the Halloween costume vote that descended into the Ariel Pink debacle.

Whether the decision was the bands, Charles, management or a combination is unknown but it certainly looks like it was a major factor.



Paz also stopped tweeting in November.

Paz's backing vocals and harmonies on doggerel were one of my favourite things about that record. Her superfan attitude towards the group, her faithful devotion to its signature style as well as to its fans, and her youthful energy brought a lot of value. She has a great personality. OK, her live vocals were hit-or-miss. The albums matter more. It increasingly sounds like this was motivated by politics, which is pathetic, if true. Paz gave up a decade of her life for this band and she was about as good at her job as you could realistically hope. Charles OWED HER loyalty. He owed her gratitude. When people make choices that benefit you, when they sacrifice their time, when they agree to go on absolutely ridiculously long, fast-paced world tours, year after year, YOU OWE THEM.

Many musicians live in social and cultural bubbles where increasingly extreme attitudes have come to prevail. Charles may be possessed by this kind of mindset, too. I hope not, but it's increasingly common, so I wouldn't be surprised. I don't care what his politics are; but if he fired Paz for hers, then, well, that's an asshole thing to do and the whole band will suffer for it, permanently.

Edited by - tamefan on 03/04/2024 12:43:59
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jake3
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:34:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The guy who thinks there might be a hidden message in Dave getting his finger caught in a mouse trap and that there might be a connection between Lay's and being 'Laid off' ALSO believes the Jan 6th insurrection was a fake event!? Well I never.

Sorry Pot Just playing with ya.

I think after Kim Shattuck debacle this doesn't look great. I'm not gonna speculate on what caused this but I would hope it's not over something overly petty. I trust there must be reason enough to make this decision.

Edited by - jake3 on 03/04/2024 12:39:36
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vilainde
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:39:34  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tamefan

Paz's backing vocals and harmonies on doggerel were one of my favourite things about that record. Her superfan attitude towards the group, her faithful devotion to its signature style as well as to its fans, and her youthful energy brought a lot of value. She has a great personality. OK, her live vocals were hit-or-miss. The albums matter more. It increasingly sounds like this was motivated by politics, which is pathetic, if true. Paz gave up a decade of her life for this band and she was about as good at her job as you could realistically hope. Charles OWED HER loyalty. He owed her gratitude. When people make choices that benefit you, when they sacrifice their time, when they agree to go on absolutely ridiculously long, fast-paced world tours, year after year, YOU OWE THEM.

Many musicians live in social and cultural bubbles where increasingly extreme attitudes have come to prevail. Charles may be possessed by this kind of mindset, too. I hope not, but it's increasingly common, so I wouldn't be surprised. I don't care what his politics are; but if he fired Paz for hers, then, well, that's an asshole thing to do and the whole band will suffer for it, permanently.



Wow, really. You don't have the slightest idea of what happened, what's the point of getting angry? You have absolutely no idea of what went on.

I don't mind the change, personally. It could mean anything, for better or worse. We'll still have a BN/TLM tour, Paz was not the original bassist, Emma isn't either. Same difference.


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Sprite
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:44:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd bet my house on worse.
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vilainde
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:45:39  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah I kind of refuse to admit it but... yeah.


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tamefan
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:49:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Wow, really. You don't have the slightest idea of what happened, what's the point of getting angry? You have absolutely no idea of what went on.




We have mounting evidence. It's still speculation, of course, but we do have confirmation from Paz that she was fired, and all signs point to it not being amicable, and some additional evidence (which has been shared in this thread) suggests it may have been partly motivated by politics. As I wrote above, "if true." My comment was conditional. Also, Paz has an agreeable personality so it's hard not to get upset at the possibility that she has been treated badly. She's a sweetheart.

Edited by - tamefan on 03/04/2024 12:50:58
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picpic
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  12:54:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tamefan
Many musicians live in social and cultural bubbles where increasingly extreme attitudes have come to prevail. Charles may be possessed by this kind of mindset, too. I hope not, but it's increasingly common, so I wouldn't be surprised. I don't care what his politics are; but if he fired Paz for hers, then, well, that's an asshole thing to do and the whole band will suffer for it, permanently.


Yeah. The Ramones never fired Johnny Ramone over his political views. Actually they even made a cool song about it ! But that was a different timeÖ


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Sprite
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:00:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde

Yeah I kind of refuse to admit it but... yeah.


Denis




Well we don't have long to wait. I forgot the Dublin dates start on Thursday.

They're probably in Temple Bar fighting already
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:04:04  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tamefan

Paz also stopped tweeting in November.

Paz's backing vocals and harmonies on doggerel were one of my favourite things about that record. Her superfan attitude towards the group, her faithful devotion to its signature style as well as to its fans, and her youthful energy brought a lot of value. She has a great personality. OK, her live vocals were hit-or-miss. The albums matter more. It increasingly sounds like this was motivated by politics, which is pathetic, if true. Paz gave up a decade of her life for this band and she was about as good at her job as you could realistically hope. Charles OWED HER loyalty. He owed her gratitude. When people make choices that benefit you, when they sacrifice their time, when they agree to go on absolutely ridiculously long, fast-paced world tours, year after year, YOU OWE THEM.

Many musicians live in social and cultural bubbles where increasingly extreme attitudes have come to prevail. Charles may be possessed by this kind of mindset, too. I hope not, but it's increasingly common, so I wouldn't be surprised. I don't care what his politics are; but if he fired Paz for hers, then, well, that's an asshole thing to do and the whole band will suffer for it, permanently.



This Cancel Culture mindset has become so ingrained into society these days

I agree that the band owed Paz some loyatly but it appears only legacy members are afforded that these days - she gave the band ten great years and I was starting to think of her as a real Pixie now - she also will have invested time in evolving the band that she could have used developing her own musical projects - still a great opportunity for her and no doubt it has elevated her profile more than she likely would have achieved if she had remained doing her own thing so she wonít be taking nothing away from the experience - but still I think she passed all the initiation ceremonies to be considered ďone of us(them)Ē and shouldnít have been let go like sheís some short term hire (if that is what has happened)

I think the band will feel the discontent among their fan base for this

Also - we shouldnít forget that this is all still speculation at this stage before we all get carried away running with this theory and end up creating an urban myth or a Mandela wotist or something

No worries also jake3 I can take a rubbing as long as itís not nasty
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:24:06  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jake3

The guy who thinks there might be a hidden message in Dave getting his finger caught in a mouse trap and that there might be a connection between Lay's and being 'Laid off' ALSO believes the Jan 6th insurrection was a fake event!? Well I never.

Sorry Pot Just playing with ya.



There is no doubt some kind of hidden message contained within Daveís short video post which unfortunately turned out not be a magic trick though - itís just we donít know what it is yet

I was getting carried away there though with my tin foil hat on and thinking that maybe this is all a wind up and this friday Mar 8 in Dublin they are going to suprise us with The Real Kim Deal who has agreed to join the band just for this tour?

Itís definitely not outwith the realms..

It would mean though that Emma Richardson joining the band was just pretend which will then disappoint all her fans on Instagram so who knows - do I win a prize if Iím right?
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Ziggy
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:38:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

quote:
Originally posted by pot

Maybe also they didnít feel Paz was working well with the BossaTrompe material and decided to audition a replacement behind her back? Pretty mean thing to do and I would be surprised if Paz couldnít handle those albums but this might also explain the lack of material thatís been played from those albums over the years



I'd believe it more likely the other way around and she told Frank he wasn't playing it properly.




Yeah, I don't think a bass player of Paz's ability would struggle with those bass parts!
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Stevio10
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:41:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pot

quote:
Originally posted by jake3

The guy who thinks there might be a hidden message in Dave getting his finger caught in a mouse trap and that there might be a connection between Lay's and being 'Laid off' ALSO believes the Jan 6th insurrection was a fake event!? Well I never.

Sorry Pot Just playing with ya.



There is no doubt some kind of hidden message contained within Daveís short video post which unfortunately turned out not be a magic trick though - itís just we donít know what it is yet




Dave really rated Paz, always said she made him play better. Maybe it's a message to say that magic has gone.

Edited by - Stevio10 on 03/04/2024 13:42:40
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Sprite
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:51:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I reckon tomorrow they announce the new drummer and on Wednesday we get the new lead guitarist.
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  13:56:01  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10
Dave really rated Paz, always said she made him play better. Maybe it's a message to say that magic has gone.



Could be trying to say he wasnít in agreement with the decision

I feel that this might be signaling the last of the summer wine for the band though ? Iím surprised they have gone for so long in the 2.0 phase really and eventually reformed into something resembling a solid, stable band

Maybe Charles is getting itchy feet for some more solo stuff? He seems quite invested in the band now though which is weird also because of the way he just terminated it all in their hey day when they were are the peak of their career - maybe sees the value in the band more now and also probably makes more money from Pixies than just solo as well - you canít blame anyone for thinking about their pension as they get older

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natenate101
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All these theories being floated already and this news just came out today. I donít know how artists do it man, people will really just run with stuff before they even have a chance to explain or let a decision breathe.

Personally, the thing I liked about Paz was her professionalism and positivity about the band. I think it really helped them come out of a somewhat darker time post-IC, where things were still uncertain. I wish her the best for sure. Thing she was underutilized on bass, and maybe over utilized as a vocalist. Just donít rate her voice or singing abilities. Again, she was solid as hell for the band for 10 years and she earned a lot of respect from its fans.

Hope the band doesnít have any major hiccups on the upcoming tour and can keep it going. I am intrigued as to how a new bass player will influence the studio stuff going forward, Iím ready for a change as a listener and if Dalgety wonít go, maybe some new chemistry will be a catalyst.
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I just want to point out there is a massive difference between (a) firing someone over their political views and (b) firing someone for publicly associating your band with certain political views.

There is some speculative evidence that (b) could possibly have happened, but there is none whatsoever for (a).
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  18:07:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ariel Pink replied to one of my tweets: https://twitter.com/arielxpink/status/1764847709079392425

I tweeted "Apparently [Paz's firing had] something to do with publicly supporting @arielxpink"

He replied "conjecture. but where theres smoke theres fire"

The archiver didn't really work: https://archive.li/npDM0
Here's a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/V3O2WAI

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natenate101
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quote:
Originally posted by tamefan

Ariel Pink replied to one of my tweets: https://twitter.com/arielxpink/status/1764847709079392425

I tweeted "Apparently [Paz's firing had] something to do with publicly supporting @arielxpink"

He replied "conjecture. but where theres smoke theres fire"

The archiver didn't really work: https://archive.li/npDM0
Here's a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/V3O2WAI




What makes you confident enough in whatís going on to even make that statement? ďApparently Pazís firing had something to doÖĒ. We donít know this. At all. I donít get it, like why even do it? Just to see if Ariel Pink replies and confirms or denies a theory basically created here? I find that really weird and unnecessary but I guess her leaving really hurts you enough to try and propagate the theory. Also, what makes Ariel Pink a reliable person here anyway?
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pot
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Posted - 03/04/2024 :  22:16:39  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by McDutchie

I just want to point out there is a massive difference between (a) firing someone over their political views and (b) firing someone for publicly associating your band with certain political views.

There is some speculative evidence that (b) could possibly have happened, but there is none whatsoever for (a).



Oh please.. "publicly associating your band with certain political views"
Who really cares that much - and by taking this action isn't the band then more reinforcing their position with opposing views?
Is it only bad for bands to align themselves with counter mainstream views then - oh how very rock n roll
I've consistently seen Charles normalise his politics with the absolute lunacy of the mainstream narrative over the past few years which has not only got my back up a bit but I've seen others respond unfavourably to them as well
And what is "your band" - as in Charles' band? I mean for sure he no doubt is the majority "stakeholder" but a band is also the sum of all it's parts and to treat other members like they are expendable like this over such a petty reason is not a great look and very reminiscent of 1992

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pot
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quote:
Originally posted by natenate101

What makes you confident enough in whatís going on to even make that statement? ďApparently Pazís firing had something to doÖĒ. We donít know this. At all. I donít get it, like why even do it? Just to see if Ariel Pink replies and confirms or denies a theory basically created here? I find that really weird and unnecessary but I guess her leaving really hurts you enough to try and propagate the theory. Also, what makes Ariel Pink a reliable person here anyway?



Why wouldn't they be reliable - because they're a Jan 6er?
You know there are people still in jail for just happening to be there

They very fact Ariel Pink responded as though they were aware of the conjecture is telling alone imho
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Discoking
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Skulls
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In November 2022, Russell Marsden took to Instagram to inform fans that Emma Richardson will leave the band to pursue a full-time painting career. In March 2024, Pixies announced Richardson would join them as bass guitarist following the departure of Paz Lechantin.

there goes the full-time painting career... :p
i wonder how russell feels about this now.


it's educational
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