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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/15/2020 :  08:27:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are Frank fans free thinkers or leftist drones? Only one way to find out - The Trump Thread!

OK. I'll start. Anyone see Nancy and the Coup Clutz Clan today?

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 01/15/2020 :  14:28:33  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Lol, not a biased view at all. Leftist drone here.


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coastline
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Posted - 01/15/2020 :  21:04:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
For me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue
And clouds of white
The bright blessed day
The dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow
So pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces
Of people going by
I see friends shaking hands
Saying, "How do you do?"
They're really saying
"I love you"

I hear babies cry
I watch them grow
They'll learn much more
Than I'll never know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Yes, I think to myself
What a wonderful world


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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/16/2020 :  03:49:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by coastline

I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
For me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue
And clouds of white
The bright blessed day
The dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow
So pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces
Of people going by
I see friends shaking hands
Saying, "How do you do?"
They're really saying
"I love you"

I hear babies cry
I watch them grow
They'll learn much more
Than I'll never know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Yes, I think to myself
What a wonderful world


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Blaring out of the gulag PA system.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 01/16/2020 :  12:18:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Frank touched on Trump in one of the interviews last year. Didn't seem like he was a fan, but neither seeming like he was itching to talk politics.

I'm trying to think of Frank's most political songs. He touches on the environment quite a bit, not a Wal-Mart fan it seems, and he has gone on record warning everyone not to take the mark of the beast. Trying to think of others. Do Shazeb and Humboldt count as getting political or just societal awareness type stuff?

Trobrianders, how do you think this impeachment thing will turn out? I honestly don't know what to expect.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/16/2020 :  17:56:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've never let politics get in the way of a friendship and Frank feels like a friend of sorts. Whatever his politics, fine by me. I like the points you raised and I'd add one. Perhaps the strongest indicator of his politics. Quite a few of his songs romanticise the rugged pioneer spirit of the old country and that suggests an individualist, right of center leaning. It certainly doesn't suggest he's a believer in big government telling people what to think or what to do with their lives. I don't believe an interest in environment is a typically left wing thing. Quite the opposite. The left's only interest in environment is the opportunity for power grab it offers. I'm very cynical about the left. On St Francis Dam Disaster his tone was journalistic and I'd say on Shazeb and Humboldt it doesn't get too political there either.

With impeachment I'm pretty certain Republican senators will hold firm in this election year and the whole thing will confirm to voters how crazy the left has become. I'm in the UK and our voters have already given the socialists their worst election result in 90 years because the left have gone crazy here too. Nancy and her Coup Clutz Clan are headed for the same trash can of history. Some may go to prison.

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 01/16/2020 :  23:14:51  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'd say left and right are the different types of the same crazy.


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Bedbug
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Posted - 01/17/2020 :  06:11:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

I'd say left and right are the different types of the same crazy.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."



Two horns on the same goat, especially if you're referring to the parties themselves.

Which is exactly what the Larry Norman song is warning us about.
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 01/18/2020 :  20:50:57  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've been on the left my whole life but in the past few years the left has been advocating censorship in the arts more and more, and that is kind of the final straw for me. I'm basically without a home politically until they cut out that nonsense.

There's been other troubling things too of course, but the pattern has been limiting free expression or differences of opinion, and bizarre appeals to emotion rather than facts or science that seems more and more irrational and unjustified to me. There's also been these ridiculous lines drawn in the sand, new ones every few days. "We don't like this writer/musician/filmmaker anymore so anyone who likes them must be evil", etc. Lots of "good vs evil" simplistic mentality that gets more and more frightening and moral panic-like. Most of my friends feel this way too. Even some of the leftiest lefty people I know have been totally getting pushed away because of this stuff.

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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/19/2020 :  10:11:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

I've been on the left my whole life but in the past few years the left has been advocating censorship in the arts more and more, and that is kind of the final straw for me. I'm basically without a home politically until they cut out that nonsense.

There's been other troubling things too of course, but the pattern has been limiting free expression or differences of opinion, and bizarre appeals to emotion rather than facts or science that seems more and more irrational and unjustified to me. There's also been these ridiculous lines drawn in the sand, new ones every few days. "We don't like this writer/musician/filmmaker anymore so anyone who likes them must be evil", etc. Lots of "good vs evil" simplistic mentality that gets more and more frightening and moral panic-like. Most of my friends feel this way too. Even some of the leftiest lefty people I know have been totally getting pushed away because of this stuff.

Very nicely put. Every lefty friend of mine is completely turned off by the sanctimonious BS. I'm old enough to remember when the normal response to sanctimony was disgust and derision. It's happening because the hard left once they get in, only recruit from their own. They hate pluralism and our system only works when everyone has a legitimate way to express themselves. It's only going to get worse because the tech giants are controlled by these fanatics.

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 01/19/2020 :  13:40:24  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Agree with both, but on the point of tech giants being controlled by these fanatics, I'd disagree in part that Zuck is anything but a pure capitalist; if it makes money, he'll do it. Google is increasingly corporate as well. Apple's Tim Cook may be more left but I hardly think he's a fanatic.

Meanwhile, your country is run by a right wing fanatic. That's the bigger concern. Fanaticism about anything other than Frank Black is not a good thing.


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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/19/2020 :  15:26:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

Agree with both, but on the point of tech giants being controlled by these fanatics, I'd disagree in part that Zuck is anything but a pure capitalist; if it makes money, he'll do it. Google is increasingly corporate as well. Apple's Tim Cook may be more left but I hardly think he's a fanatic.

Meanwhile, your country is run by a right wing fanatic. That's the bigger concern. Fanaticism about anything other than Frank Black is not a good thing.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

Forgive me I should have been clearer about the tech giamts. I wasn't necessarily referring to all of the bosses but the armies of woke liberal fascists working for them who drive the whole editorial side of the business. Zuck, in his testimony to congress, showed he was terrified of saying anything that might alienate them. He's their prisoner in effect.

I wouldn't rely on lefty descriptions of Boris as a right wing fanatic. Total fake news. Most conservatives would tell you so.

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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 01/19/2020 :  23:22:27  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I agree. With the tech companies and many many many other companies too, the woke stuff is in the HR department and in a lot of new generation hires that are constantly looking for problems and things to get outraged by. I've seen a lot of articles and etc about how so many people at office jobs just have no idea what to do with this wave of the current generation coming in and causing endless trouble.

In my own experience on my job I was forced to take a multiple choice anti-harrassment test that was mostly about gender identity and things that had nothing to do with harassment, and I kept wondering, why do I have to answer these questions? I chose things I don't believe in just to get the test over with and so I could continue my job but it felt like an actual brainwashing tool to me.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/20/2020 :  04:18:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

Yeah, I agree. With the tech companies and many many many other companies too, the woke stuff is in the HR department and in a lot of new generation hires that are constantly looking for problems and things to get outraged by. I've seen a lot of articles and etc about how so many people at office jobs just have no idea what to do with this wave of the current generation coming in and causing endless trouble.

In my own experience on my job I was forced to take a multiple choice anti-harrassment test that was mostly about gender identity and things that had nothing to do with harassment, and I kept wondering, why do I have to answer these questions? I chose things I don't believe in just to get the test over with and so I could continue my job but it felt like an actual brainwashing tool to me.

What you're describing is the Soviet tactic of denunciation to scare everyone into line. But people aren't scared. They keep voting the wrong way. Drives the Left crazy.

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trobrianders
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Saddam Hussein took power by ordering half of Iraq's legislators to execute the other half, thereby cementing them in his coup. Bernie is not in his league. Gulag commandants got their kicks setting dogs on pregnant inmates. The middle class Antifa bunch lack the moral fiber to match them. What could a president Sanders do to match the atrocities of the regimes he reveres? Nothing! He's a poser. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he'd set up extermination camps for deplorables. Then all the trendy, lefty liberals could look the other way.

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 01/27/2020 :  12:19:41  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

Yeah, I agree. With the tech companies and many many many other companies too, the woke stuff is in the HR department and in a lot of new generation hires that are constantly looking for problems and things to get outraged by. I've seen a lot of articles and etc about how so many people at office jobs just have no idea what to do with this wave of the current generation coming in and causing endless trouble.

In my own experience on my job I was forced to take a multiple choice anti-harrassment test that was mostly about gender identity and things that had nothing to do with harassment, and I kept wondering, why do I have to answer these questions? I chose things I don't believe in just to get the test over with and so I could continue my job but it felt like an actual brainwashing tool to me.

What you're describing is the Soviet tactic of denunciation to scare everyone into line. But people aren't scared. They keep voting the wrong way. Drives the Left crazy.

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You don't see that the right does the same thing in the US? And increasingly here in Canada, too. Fun to say it's "the other side" but the reality is politics and discourse has been poisoned by both camps. Hell, you even started this thread with "free thinkers or leftist drones".


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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/27/2020 :  17:25:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

Yeah, I agree. With the tech companies and many many many other companies too, the woke stuff is in the HR department and in a lot of new generation hires that are constantly looking for problems and things to get outraged by. I've seen a lot of articles and etc about how so many people at office jobs just have no idea what to do with this wave of the current generation coming in and causing endless trouble.

In my own experience on my job I was forced to take a multiple choice anti-harrassment test that was mostly about gender identity and things that had nothing to do with harassment, and I kept wondering, why do I have to answer these questions? I chose things I don't believe in just to get the test over with and so I could continue my job but it felt like an actual brainwashing tool to me.

What you're describing is the Soviet tactic of denunciation to scare everyone into line. But people aren't scared. They keep voting the wrong way. Drives the Left crazy.

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You don't see that the right does the same thing in the US? And increasingly here in Canada, too. Fun to say it's "the other side" but the reality is politics and discourse has been poisoned by both camps. Hell, you even started this thread with "free thinkers or leftist drones".


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

How do you define leftist drone?

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 01/28/2020 :  12:32:39  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Maybe a better question is how do you define it? Obviously not free thinking. Iíd say mindless, sheep-like but with some subservient undertones


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I'm also in the camp of not being into either parties but personally I'm not a fan of Trump at all. The guy makes **** up non stop.

I don't care about 'outrage' culture but I think Trump is essentially a glorified reality TV star that got rich with the help of millions of dollars to invest from his dad.

If you simply follow his Twitter, it does not seem like one of a sane person. Also he hires a lot of questionable people into different roles.

I could go on about this. But to the OP I'd be curious what you think is good about Trump.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/29/2020 :  08:18:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Skatealex1

I'm also in the camp of not being into either parties but personally I'm not a fan of Trump at all. The guy makes **** up non stop.

I don't care about 'outrage' culture but I think Trump is essentially a glorified reality TV star that got rich with the help of millions of dollars to invest from his dad.

If you simply follow his Twitter, it does not seem like one of a sane person. Also he hires a lot of questionable people into different roles.

I could go on about this. But to the OP I'd be curious what you think is good about Trump.

We're in a culture war. The west has been a great place to live for the freedoms individuals enjoy. Our democratic culture has served us well. That's under serious threat with sizeable portions of our populations now believing the state should govern every aspect of our lives, not just what we do but what we're permitted to think. If history teaches us anything it's that any system that tries to exert that level of control ultimately causes mass misery and mass murder before it's violently overthrown. Trump, and anyone who supports him, understands that. Of course the man's personality faults are legion. His supporters don't care about the personality of the garbage man. They care that he takes out the garbage. And they have enough faith in checks and balances to know he couldn't be a dictator even if he wanted to be.

Of all totalitarianisms Leftism is the very worst. Leftism is a philosophy of self-hatred. Leftists actually want to conjure up a right wing bogeyman to come and destroy them. Their self-hatred demands it. And millions of innocents always suffer in the process. In that they are like the bastard child of a fanatical Christianity. They see humans as sinners (for their climate sins for example) and they warn of heresy (climate denial), they warn that The End is Nigh. They warn of Judgement Day (climate catastrophe) which can be averted if all power is transferred to them, a priestly caste (enlightened leftist vanguard). And they demonise Trump as though he were Satan.

Leftists always fail disasterously because they base policy on how they think people should respond rather than how they would respond. Humans live in a world of scarcity, choice and opportunity cost and what they do to survive and thrive in it is good and natural. Leftists, in their idealism, hate that idea of humanity though it is impossible to escape. They are anti-human. They are at war with human nature but they always find nature is unforgiving. How many examples do we need?; Russia, China, the Eastern bloc, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia. Over a century of repeated catastrophe. The Khmer Rouge, the Taliban, the hard left in the west. All Year Zero fanatics.

Leftists say the poor and under-privileged are defenceless without them. Slave-owners used to say their slaves would starve without them. Sound familiar? Leftism developed by adopting the slave-owner's philosophy after slavery was abolished. Leftism's invention and exploitation of the modern notion of racism has been truly despicable. Their tactic is always the same; to subvert legitimate discussion of cultural difference into illegitimate discussion of race. Trump is challenging that notion head on. And now all is not well on the Demokkkrat plantation. The black exit from the party under Trump has been cannily termed Blexit. Some Democrat politicians are the modern day equivalent of slave catchers.

I could go on and on. Clearly I despise the Left. Anyway it's only one opinion in the marketplace for as long as the Left don't abolish the market. The Left's response, as typified in this thread, is Soviet whataboutery; what about the far right? Anyone on the right who advocates anything outside law that commands majority consent is a criminal or a savage even. I'm on the center-right and I would like to see them dealt with harshly but not exterminated in gulags as the Left would prefer. But the Left never know when to stop. As their system fails and people rebel they always end up reclassifying the people as 'enemies of the people'.

November 2020 should clarify things

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trobrianders
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Skatealex1
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Posted - 01/29/2020 :  09:14:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Honestly it sounds like you just consume pure right wing content. Left wing really isn't all I'm a box like you portray it. I watch some big left wing YouTubers like David Pakman and he never calls anyone racist.

In reference to far left SJW types I agree though. But you're portrayal sounds really one sided.

Further- a lot of people voted for Trump cause he's a populist. One of the things he did right last election was campaigning in rural areas like Pennsylvania and appealing to them.

Turned out he was full of it though on many fronts. Coal will never be the major energy source it once was and a lot of farmers have been lashing back as tarrifs hurt their farms.

That said, the incumbent president always has an advantage so he certainly can win. I think the next election will be a toss up at this point.

A good example of the right failing too is how much they fumbled health care. Trump had the house and Senate and couldn't pass jack. And to add to that US healthcare ranks on the lower tier on the globe. Countries like Canada on the other hand rank higher. So I think the current approach to it is certainly questionable.

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Posted - 01/29/2020 :  10:59:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've heard pure right wing content and it absolutely disgusts me so you've lost me there with that comment. It's part of what the Left have so successfully done these past 40 years. They've taken what were simply regarded as centrist positions and painted them as pure right wing. Of course if you accept hard leftist definitions, any opposing position will seem pure right wing to you. There were of course many centrist Democrats but they're all terrified of being denounced. The Left largely control education, entertainment and news media by a process 1000 times more poisonous than anything McCarthy ever came up with. When this Leftist inquisition is over you will hear testimony of how terrified people were to speak their minds and their hearts.

Your second point is a good one. If Trump sold a false prospectus, well our system has a remedy for that. It's called voting the bum out. No surprise the Left don't want to rely on voters any more than a slave owner would want to consult his slaves.

Your last point is a little weak. RINOs still had power in the first half of the Trump term. McCain sunk that particular legislation if you remember. Many were still on the fence as long as the likes of Ryan and Romney had influence. They're all washed up now.

I'll concede there is a valid left wing argument for government even though I disagree with it but we hear precious little of it. It has been snuffed out by the fanatics on the Left.

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Posted - 01/29/2020 :  11:32:27  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
At the end of the day you can spout pretty ideological absolutisms all you want. When your garbage man makes more of a mess than he was hired to clean up, and you cheer it on as he and his party trample these so called checks and balances then you're probably - intentionally or not - on the side of garbage, not reform. Media? Fake news. Unless you agree with it. A guy in his basement spouting conspiracy theories has more legitimacy than the "failing" New York Times. So those that support Trump because of some perceived agenda of taking down big government can no longer be told anything that counters their beliefs. Even a pretty cut and dry case for impeachment doesn't matter. The Senate, under Trump's thumb, doesn't even want to hear evidence. That's how far it's gotten. And you can call it a coup all you want, but when the guy running the show is able to circumvent an investigation or trial or even the bringing of evidence to that trial, your champions are actually the worst kind of government possible. One with no accountability and a leader that has always, as far back as you can possibly go, shown only self interest at any expense.

No doubt the very concept of a government is by definition a left concept based on the idea that sometimes people working together can accomplish more than a bunch of individuals fighting against each other for their sole benefit. And no doubt government can take that into areas where individualism is in peril. We all seem to agree here that the SJW culture of instant offense and intolerance (which these same people hypocritically protest against) is gone too far. For you, it sounds like your solution is to burn everything down. Let the biggest polluters run the EPA into meaningless. Let a guy that thinks massive communications companies should own the internet (which itself is a product of a taxpayer funded initiative) run the FCC. Institute a nepotistic government as long as it means bringing the whole thing down. Do you think Trump is going to be the champion of individual rights and freedom of speech? Take a look at what happens to anyone that criticizes him. As much as the SJW hypocrisy is too much to take, the hypocrisy from the white house and republicans these days is beyond comprehension.

That doesn't mean I support the democrats. The last election was one for the books with some of the worst choices ever. This upcoming one isn't looking much better. But then the US went and chose the worst of the bad choices and instead of recognizing that, the story just keeps changing and the camp just keeps doubling down on their defence not just of Trump, but of their own blindness in supporting him.


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Posted - 01/29/2020 :  13:50:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You have a problem with what Trump is doing. His supporters don't. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. You say he's making things worse. I say he's making things better. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. What is it about normal democratic politics you can't stand? I celebrated Obama's election though I disagreed with him politically. I didn't want him lynched as you want Trump lynched.

The guy in his basement is celebrating economic advancement for minority groups freed from Democrats who have kept them down for decades. If he's one of the billion white supremacists hiding under your bed we should all hope his mom finds out and clips him round the ear. Meanwhile the New York Times journalist is spreading anti-white race hatred and justifying the cowardly violence of Antifa basement-dwellers. It wouldn't surprise me if Trudeau welcomed Harry and Me-again with a rendition of Swanee, woke jazz hands and all. I'm non white and I've known my whole life the vilest race-hatred resides on the left.

I'm old enough to remember when the last stodgy establishment got swept out. It was pretty bigoted but in a matter of 5 years 1977-1982 it was replaced in politics, media, you name it, right across the board. I'm Indian and I didn't particularly appreciate mainstream comedians in the 1970s telling jokes like what's the difference between a Paki and a bucket of shit? The bucket. I celebrated their removal then as I celebrate the removal of this new stodgy, lefty establishment that is far more bigoted and dangerous. The last thing I want is anything burned to the ground. The existing democratic structures are more than sufficient for Trump to clean house. That I think is what you actually fear.

I say I stand for self-determination, respect for law that commands majority consent, proper punishment for law-breakers of any political persuasion, pluralism and an opportunity for everyone to have a legitimate means to express themselves and I'm the problem? If Trump was what you say he is how the hell have Trump-haters had free hand from every quarter to hound him so ineffectively?

Go to sleep now dear or Trump'll come and get yer.


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KCRW interview and performance has made for pretty good listening while reading the discourse here. Probably the most Uber FB fan behavior Iíve engaged in in quite a while. Donald Trump will be re-elected. This is not a prediction itís just what comes to my mind when reading ďthe Trump threadĒ. Trump is an optimist. His optimism is way more appealing then his opponents ďthe sky is fallingĒ chicken little attitude. It is what it is.
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Posted - 01/30/2020 :  05:06:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Young people give me a lot of hope and optimism. I don't mean the shrill yet well-placed minority of young brownshirts that support the Democrats but the majority with no party affiliation who have figured out that in a shrinking world made possible by technology, long-standing prejudices are surplus to requirement and want them jettisoned as quickly as possible. If we're all, more and more, going to be sharing space with people from different backgrounds and cultures it's obviously an act of self-harm to apply those outdated prejudices to the situation. The young get that instinctively. It's the Left's segregating identity politics which are desperately trying to reignite those old prejudices in people's minds and hearts.

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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  09:36:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brexit Day!!! Today Britain leaves the EUSSR.

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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  14:06:15  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

You have a problem with what Trump is doing. His supporters don't. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. You say he's making things worse. I say he's making things better. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. What is it about normal democratic politics you can't stand? I celebrated Obama's election though I disagreed with him politically. I didn't want him lynched as you want Trump lynched.


Having a problem with policy is one thing. He repeals (or tries to) the so-called Obamacare, that's policy. He wants to build a wall across the Mexican border, or divert military funds, those are all policy decisions. Nobody is talking about that. I wish that's what this was about.

Instead, what is being talked about is blatant abuse of power. Using taxpayer dollars and resources (i.e. military support) to get dirt on an opponent. Firing or removing countless strings of people that were operating in their roles as the "checks and balances" you referenced earlier. Not just once, but again and again. Attacking the media for being critical (again, their job as a check and balance, agree or not).

If you don't have a problem with abusing the office for personal gain (as long as it's a Republican) and to avoid answering for crimes, then fundamentally we are at an impasse.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  14:36:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

You have a problem with what Trump is doing. His supporters don't. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. You say he's making things worse. I say he's making things better. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. What is it about normal democratic politics you can't stand? I celebrated Obama's election though I disagreed with him politically. I didn't want him lynched as you want Trump lynched.


Having a problem with policy is one thing. He repeals (or tries to) the so-called Obamacare, that's policy. He wants to build a wall across the Mexican border, or divert military funds, those are all policy decisions. Nobody is talking about that. I wish that's what this was about.

Instead, what is being talked about is blatant abuse of power. Using taxpayer dollars and resources (i.e. military support) to get dirt on an opponent. Firing or removing countless strings of people that were operating in their roles as the "checks and balances" you referenced earlier. Not just once, but again and again. Attacking the media for being critical (again, their job as a check and balance, agree or not).

If you don't have a problem with abusing the office for personal gain (as long as it's a Republican) and to avoid answering for crimes, then fundamentally we are at an impasse.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

Oh my goodness If he has done all that you better impeach him.

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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  14:41:45  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Missed this in the first response...

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Originally posted by trobrianders

I say I stand for self-determination, respect for law that commands majority consent, proper punishment for law-breakers of any political persuasion, pluralism and an opportunity for everyone to have a legitimate means to express themselves and I'm the problem? If Trump was what you say he is how the hell have Trump-haters had free hand from every quarter to hound him so ineffectively?



First of all, I could as easily as you "If heavy handed government has so controlled all in its infinite corruption and capability to conspire, then how are you able to post what you do without arrest?" Just because there is still a press and not everything is in tatters doesn't mean that there isn't success. The NYT can still exist, but if you discredit everything in it without a single critical thought then does it matter anymore? The fact that they're rendered, as you put it, ineffective, is because your brain washing is complete. They took your fear of oppressive government and warped it into whatever it is you are now.

The direction and rhetoric should concern anyone with an open mind.

And finally, you seriously think I fear a clean and non-corrupt government or a house cleaning?? Grow up. You think electing a corrupt businessman who appoints his family and friends is going to do that just because he's "an outsider" (who spent his life bribing and using that corruption to his advantage)? Sure.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  14:45:17  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders

You have a problem with what Trump is doing. His supporters don't. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. You say he's making things worse. I say he's making things better. Sounds like normal democratic politics to me. What is it about normal democratic politics you can't stand? I celebrated Obama's election though I disagreed with him politically. I didn't want him lynched as you want Trump lynched.


Having a problem with policy is one thing. He repeals (or tries to) the so-called Obamacare, that's policy. He wants to build a wall across the Mexican border, or divert military funds, those are all policy decisions. Nobody is talking about that. I wish that's what this was about.

Instead, what is being talked about is blatant abuse of power. Using taxpayer dollars and resources (i.e. military support) to get dirt on an opponent. Firing or removing countless strings of people that were operating in their roles as the "checks and balances" you referenced earlier. Not just once, but again and again. Attacking the media for being critical (again, their job as a check and balance, agree or not).

If you don't have a problem with abusing the office for personal gain (as long as it's a Republican) and to avoid answering for crimes, then fundamentally we are at an impasse.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

Oh my goodness If he has done all that you better impeach him.

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Hard when he runs the senate. Don't you think it's telling that before the trial even went to the senate, they were saying it didn't matter what happened in the house, it would go nowhere? Checks and balances, right? Why allow more evidence when the trial is a foregone conclusion, I know, but do you honestly believe suppressing evidence is in the best interests of the country?


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  14:47:23  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ALL THE WITNESSES: Ok we all agree. This is what happened.

REPUBLICANS: None of you were in the room!

BOLTON: *raises hand* Well I was in the...

REPUBLICANS: Who asked you?! Shut up! Youíre a liberal pawn!

BOLTON: Um... Iím actually Iím a lifelong Republican and I was literally Trumpís national security advi...

REPUBLICANS: Shut your mustache! Somebody bring back the first national security advisor.

FLYNN: *in orange jumpsuit* Hey sorry guys Iím in jail lol.

REPUBLICANS: What? Why?

FLYNN: For lying to the FBI about the Russia investigation.

REPUBLICANS: Well what idiot told you to do that?!

FLYNN: The Pres...

REPUBLICANS: Shut up! No one believes either of you!

KELLY: *raises hand* I believe them. And I was Trumpís Chief of sta...

REPUBLICANS: Shut up! Letís talk to the current chief of staff. Who is he?

MULVANEY: *raises hand* Itís me. Sort of. Well, I'm the act...

REPUBLICANS: Shit. Never mind.

PARNAS: *raises hand* I was also in the room. In fact, hereís a cell phone video of the President saying that...

REPUBLICANS: Wait what?! How in hell did you sneak a cell phone into a meeting with the President?

PARNAS: It was easy I just walked right in and...

REPUBLICANS: Shut up! Youíre a criminal!

PARNAS: Correct. So I just walked right into...

TRUMP: I donít know him.

PARNAS: And hereís 500 pictures of me with the President because weíre besties.

REPUBLICANS: Wait... What idiot introduced you to the President??

PARNAS: His personal lawyer.

REPUBLICANS: Cohen??

COHEN: *also in orange jumpsuit* Hey no sorry guys Iím in jail too. Oops.

REPUBLICANS: Why?

COHEN: For campaign finance violations.

REPUBLICANS: Whose campaign?

COHEN: The Pres...

REPUBLICANS: Shut up! Who was the campaign chair??

MANAFORT: *also in orange jumpsuit* Yeah. Me. Also in jail. Heyyyy.

REPUBLICANS: IS EVERYBODY IN JAIL?!?

PARNAS: It was Giuliani.

YOVANOVITCH: Giuliani! Thatís the guy who had me fired from my job!

REPUBLICANS: Who are you??

YOVANOVITCH: I was the ambassador to Ukraine.

REPUBLICANS: Wait, you had her fired? Do you work for the government??

GIULIANI: Nope. But I figured no one really follows any rules around here so...

REPUBLICANS: Well who is the ambassador to the European Union??

SONDLAND: *raises hand* It's me. I was also in the roo...

REPUBLICANS: F@$&!!!

PUTIN: *rubs his bare chest*


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  15:10:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've enjoyed many interesting, entertaining and illuminating discussions with lefty friends of mine. I've never had a discussion with one who so completely drank the Kool-Aid. I'm afraid the US is changing in ways you'll continue to deplore. And Canada will soon follow. Take care the bitterness doesn't set.

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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  15:29:57  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You know, all I've gotten from you in this discussion is condescension and theoretical posturing about the tyranny of the left. Bring up a point? Deflect, change topic, and ramble about other things. I'm not bitter and I'll be careful of it, I've seen what it does and thanks for the warning.


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Posted - 01/31/2020 :  16:54:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by coastline

I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
For me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue
And clouds of white
The bright blessed day
The dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow
So pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces
Of people going by
I see friends shaking hands
Saying, "How do you do?"
They're really saying
"I love you"

I hear babies cry
I watch them grow
They'll learn much more
Than I'll never know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Yes, I think to myself
What a wonderful world


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If all you see is violins, then I make a plea in their defense.

Jon Caldara a guest on Tucker. Boy your world is churning. Picked a side yet?

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