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two reelers
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Austria
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Posted - 09/17/2019 :  15:57:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
..are a thousand times better than the album songs themselves!!!

Seriously, I mean it.

Spontaneity.
Urgency.
Rocking.
Quirkyness.
Oddity.
Sing-along.
Fantastic sound.
Joey's guitar, imaginative and not constrained.
Frank's guitar sounding simple yet full.
Thriving bass.
Song structures you can really hear and remember.
Good lyrics.
Rawness and power.

In short, no producer watering it down to a "good-sounding" album which is intended to make everyone happy, or intended to sound interesting, or intended to make an impact. No intention at all, just good music as we know it from the man and his fellow musicians.

I'm convinced that is the album Frank is more happy about. If not, at least it is definitely the album I'm very happy about.







I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band

Sam
= Cult of Ray =

Ireland
511 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  06:19:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Demos all the way

Magical. Exactly the Pixies I love.
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =

USA
361 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  06:43:09  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
How bout some high quality files though huh?
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SmurfyX
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USA
18 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  07:06:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

How bout some high quality files though huh?



Someone in the main album thread said they'd have FLACs this weekend
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1112 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  07:10:33  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SmurfyX

quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

How bout some high quality files though huh?



Someone in the main album thread said they'd have FLACs this weekend


Iím going to get some going - I had to order a new rca to 1/4 stereo cable for my firepod. Should be here tomorrow.

Oh, and I disagree with the statement for the main topic here ;)


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  07:37:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like BTE very much (not all the songs). My only dislikes are mainly about production-sound issues (even if TD did a better job this time - and if I appreciate his role as a producer, he had good suggestions).

But like others here, I LOVE the demos. For all the reasons given by Two Reelers in the first post. They rock. Plain and simple. They're like a great FB record with the Pixies as his backing band. It's great.


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vilainde
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Niue
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Posted - 09/18/2019 :  07:49:02  Show Profile  Visit vilainde's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You know, I absolutely love the demos, and today after listening to them a couple of times I feared I'd be disappointed with the actual album. After all we've been waiting for FB demos for what, 10 years now? Abbabubba was released in 2011. But I finally put on the album again, and they really go great together. Yeah it's more produced and Joey is less great on it, but the songwriting is great, the production isn't bad at all (I never thought it'd happen!) and with every listening I discover more things I hadn't noticed before. I love both the raw sound of BLD and the million ideas in the mix of TOTY. So I wouldn't say the demos are better than the album or vice versa. They really complement each other.

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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
5361 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  08:11:06  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I'm glad we got both

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tamefan
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Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  08:38:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There's an easy listening quality to these demos. Even though I appreciate all of the effort that went into BTE, I think I'll inevitably listen to these demos quite a bit more. Especially the 4 song run from Dream to Marigold. WOW, are those 4 songs good or what??? Joey's got this warm cosmic sound. It's bananas!!
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sdon
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France
764 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  08:53:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FB & The Pixies

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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
764 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  08:55:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tamefan

There's an easy listening quality to these demos. Even though I appreciate all of the effort that went into BTE, I think I'll inevitably listen to these demos quite a bit more. Especially the 4 song run from Dream to Marigold. WOW, are those 4 songs good or what??? Joey's got this warm cosmic sound. It's bananas!!



I'd extend that from Cyrus to Marigold

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Sam
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Ireland
511 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  10:00:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Demos all the way

Magical. Exactly the Pixies I love.
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two reelers
= Cult of Ray =

Austria
998 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2019 :  18:42:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In my view, there is not a single rock song on BTE. There are two potential rock songs (In the Arms and St. Nazaire), but both of them are just too long, drag out and lose momentum.

It was similiar with Head Carrier, but this at least had Bale's Back. But otherwise, both Dagelty albums are pop or "modern / slick ear-friendly softrock" albums, and devoid of any primal rock energy. Clean, nice, harmless.

That is what I'm grateful for those demos, which have some other flair. I also think in those demos you can hear a real tight band, which I lack on BTE. There, the songs sound more like a professional session band is performing the tracks for an unrelated songwriter. Directed by... the producer! Reminds me very much of what Jon Tiven did to Frank Black.

Okay, I will shut up now. After all, I'm just a guy living in a van...




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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1112 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2019 :  01:55:54  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by two reelers

In my view, there is not a single rock song on BTE. There are two potential rock songs (In the Arms and St. Nazaire), but both of them are just too long, drag out and lose momentum.

It was similiar with Head Carrier, but this at least had Bale's Back. But otherwise, both Dagelty albums are pop or "modern / slick ear-friendly softrock" albums, and devoid of any primal rock energy. Clean, nice, harmless.

That is what I'm grateful for those demos, which have some other flair. I also think in those demos you can hear a real tight band, which I lack on BTE. There, the songs sound more like a professional session band is performing the tracks for an unrelated songwriter. Directed by... the producer! Reminds me very much of what Jon Tiven did to Frank Black.

Okay, I will shut up now. After all, I'm just a guy living in a van...

I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band



Holy cow I disagree with pretty much all of this. Not that the demos arenít good, but that theyíre somehow some kind of state of perfection while BTE is a hot mess. Sorry I gotta chime in. The demos are good but come on seriously, youíre talking about them like theyíre TOTY part II. and BTE is soft rock? I donít know what album youíre listening to, but this ainít Rumours. St. Nazaire is only ďpotentiallyĒ a rock song??? And itís too long? It 2 and a half minutes. Itís your opinion of course and youíre welcome to it, Iím just baffled by your take on all this.

Sorry for breaking the thread rule

I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.

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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

Iceland
3281 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2019 :  05:36:07  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There's your new FBF album right there.

Edited by - pot on 09/19/2019 08:42:14
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

Iceland
3281 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2019 :  06:15:53  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes OK then. Having considered this carefully over several listens, you may have a valid point.
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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
714 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2019 :  06:57:59  Show Profile  Click to see Brank_Flack's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I'm toying with waiting a few months to listen to this so that I don't have to go through to bad of a FBF withdrawal between albums. Lots to chew on with BTE right now.
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pot
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Iceland
3281 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2019 :  08:01:14  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wait a few months and BTE2 will be out, with studio versions of the demos and demo version of the studios..
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The Holiday Son
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France
1989 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2019 :  23:22:29  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by two reelers

..are a thousand times better than the album songs themselves!!!

Seriously, I mean it.

Spontaneity.
Urgency.
Rocking.
Quirkyness.
Oddity.
Sing-along.
Fantastic sound.
Joey's guitar, imaginative and not constrained.
Frank's guitar sounding simple yet full.
Thriving bass.
Song structures you can really hear and remember.
Good lyrics.
Rawness and power.

In short, no producer watering it down to a "good-sounding" album which is intended to make everyone happy, or intended to sound interesting, or intended to make an impact. No intention at all, just good music as we know it from the man and his fellow musicians.

I'm convinced that is the album Frank is more happy about. If not, at least it is definitely the album I'm very happy about.

Word for word what I think about the demos !
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
2736 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  01:45:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Holiday Son

[quote]Originally posted by two reelers

..are a thousand times better than the album songs themselves!!!

Seriously, I mean it.

Spontaneity.
Urgency.
Rocking.
Quirkyness.
Oddity.
Sing-along.
Fantastic sound.
Joey's guitar, imaginative and not constrained.
Frank's guitar sounding simple yet full.
Thriving bass.
Song structures you can really hear and remember.
Good lyrics.
Rawness and power.





track titles?
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

Iceland
3281 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  03:05:05  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Demoes are just growing and growing on me. Proper rock songs about girls and clubbing. Last two tracks are bangers, when I listen to them I imagine I'm at a Roadhouse in America drinking a beer and playing pool, and the Pixies are playing live on small stage and there's loads of slutty rock chicks with tattoos waving their hair about.
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rivum
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Canada
223 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  04:04:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pot

Wait a few months and BTE2 will be out, with studio versions of the demos and demo version of the studios..



that would be the most awesome thing ever
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  07:29:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paz vocals on Under the marigold reminds me of Grand Duchy.

Can anyone post the conversation at the start of Chapel Hill ?
"So she's friend with their manager" (?)
"She says the..." (???)

Is that David & Paz ? It kind of sound like Dalgety's voice ?

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Jamie
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USA
86 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  07:39:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This album really needs its own name. It doesn't really make send to call it the BtE demo because that would imply that it's demo versions of the BtE songs. I guess the boring thing would be to call it the 2018 Demo, but it'd be nice if it had a real name.

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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1112 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  08:51:18  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamie

This album really needs its own name. It doesn't really make send to call it the BtE demo because that would imply that it's demo versions of the BtE songs. I guess the boring thing would be to call it the 2018 Demo, but it'd be nice if it had a real name.



Letís name it Steve


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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

Iceland
3281 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  09:04:40  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage

quote:
Originally posted by Jamie

This album really needs its own name. It doesn't really make send to call it the BtE demo because that would imply that it's demo versions of the BtE songs. I guess the boring thing would be to call it the 2018 Demo, but it'd be nice if it had a real name.



Letís name it Steve


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.



The Eyrie (too obvious)
The Rock Album
The Passing (as it comes after the last song on BTE - Death Horizon)
Beyond The Rim is my preference (Babylon 5 quote referencing dead characters)
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two reelers
= Cult of Ray =

Austria
998 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  09:16:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FB & The Pixies (self-titled, aka the Brown Album)

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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
2256 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  13:25:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Paz vocals on Under the marigold reminds me of Grand Duchy.

Can anyone post the conversation at the start of Chapel Hill ?
"So she's friend with their manager" (?)
"She says the..." (???)

Is that David & Paz ? It kind of sound like Dalgety's voice ?

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Yeah itís David and Paz. You hear Charles later too,
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tamefan
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Canada
105 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  13:46:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The website for the deluxe edition calls it BTE LP 2, similar to In Rainbows Disk 2.
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Troubles A Foot
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USA
361 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  13:58:45  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So I just took a long road trip (5 hours each way) and I listened to BTE twice and the demos twice on the way there and back.

Damn man...the demos just felt like the classic Frank traveling kind of music. Pixies album was really fun to listen to also, but these demos went so well with driving around, not just the words or melodies but the feel of it. Put me in such a great mood. These 9 songs truly are one of my favorite things Frank has ever released. I don't get why a new Pixies album can't just sound like this. I am like 10000% satisfied with these 9 songs as a collection and I don't need anything more production wise. All I want is maybe a few more songs to make it longer.
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mccrackus
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USA
17 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  15:01:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamie

This album really needs its own name. It doesn't really make send to call it the BtE demo because that would imply that it's demo versions of the BtE songs. I guess the boring thing would be to call it the 2018 Demo, but it'd be nice if it had a real name.



UNDER THE MARIGOLD seems like an nice compliment to BENEATH THE EYRIE
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Jason Bravo
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USA
87 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  16:13:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Caught in a Dream...absolutely rediculous! That one should not be a demo, it should be on a record somewhere...Good God it's badass.
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
912 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2019 :  21:21:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm calling it Above the Eyrie as it escaped the doom and gloom below.

Thanks for sharing them!
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
764 Posts

Posted - 09/21/2019 :  02:24:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As pointed in another thread, using the lyrics I thought of:
Teenage Sirens (mal de mer)
Grizzly Bear (please don't go)

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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =

USA
361 Posts

Posted - 09/21/2019 :  11:34:05  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I kind of like Caught In A Dream as a title, or How I Learned to Earn Rewards. They both feel appropriate.
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Fitzy
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Portugal
85 Posts

Posted - 09/21/2019 :  12:02:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
These songs take me back to Devil's Workshop, and it's looser feel, as opposed to the more 'serious' tone of BLD.

This many songs, and going back and forth between the albums also remind me of that time, when you just felt spoiled.

Still can't get into 'Hey Debussy', but the other ones are great.

Joey's solo on 'Caught in a Dream'!! Just brilliant.

Edited by - Fitzy on 09/21/2019 12:02:55
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