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jake3
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Posted - 10/17/2014 :  05:51:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Didn't know whether to start a new thread or not, but here we go!

From Doolittle's Wikipedia Page:
Norton's suggestions were not always welcome, and several instances of advice to add verses and increase track length contributed to the front man's building frustration. Eventually, Francis took Norton to a record store, where he handed him a copy of Buddy Holly's Greatest Hits, in which most of the songs are about two minutes long.[12] He told Norton, "If it's good enough for Buddy Holly..."

Now, I always thought Black won that argument and Gil lost, but looking at the time differences between the initial demos and the final studio releases 15 out of 17 tracks have extended in length. Now some only very, very slightly but 8 are fairly significantly extended & 1 significantly shortened. In total we have an extra 5 minutes & 16 seconds of Doolittle, I'm guessing thanks to Gil.

Also interesting to note the 'Manta Ray' demo is listed 'My Manta Ray Is Alright' and the 'No. 13 Baby' demo is listed 'No. 13 Baby - VIVA LA LOMA RICA'. I'm guessing these are the original names.

Debaser - 2:52
Debaser (Demo) - 3:00
Debaser (First Demo) - 3:37
Shortened by 45 seconds.

Tame - 1:55
Tame (Demo) - 2:10
Shortened by 15 seconds.

Wave Of Mutilation - 2:04
Wave Of Mutilation (Demo) - 1:30
Wave Of Mutilation (First Demo) - 2:04
Extended by 34 seconds.

I Bleed - 2:34
I Bleed (Demo) - 1:46
Extended by 48 seconds.

Here Comes Your Man - 3:21
Here Comes Your Man (1986 Demo) - 3:07
Extended by 14 seconds.

Dead - 2:21
Dead (Demo) - 1:35
Extended by 46 seconds.

Monkey Gone To Heaven - 2:57
Monkey Gone To Heaven (Demo) - 2:52
Extended by 5 seconds. Negligible.

Mr. Grieves - 2:05
Mr. Grieves (Demo) - 1:42
Extended by 23 seconds.

Crackity Jones - 1:24
Crackity Jones (Demo) - 1:21
Extended by 3 seconds. Negligible.

La La Love You - 2:43
La La Love You (Demo) - 2:08
Extended by 35 seconds.

No. 13 Baby - 3:51
No. 13 Baby - VIVA LA LOMA RICA (First Demo) - 2:17
Extended by 1 minute & 34 seconds.

There Goes My Gun - 1:49
There Goes My Gun (Demo) - 1:29
Extended by 20 seconds.

Hey - 3:31
Hey (First Demo) - 3:22
Extended by 9 seconds. Negligible.

Silver - 2:25
Silver (Demo) - 2:17
Extended by 8 seconds. Negligible.

Gouge Away - 2:45
Gouge Away (First Demo) - 2:08
Extended by 37 seconds.

B-Sides

Manta Ray - 2:40
My Manta Ray Is Alright (Demo) - 2:30
Extended by 10 seconds. Negligible.

Weird At My School - 1:58
Weird At My School (First Demo) - 1:53
Extended by 5 Seconds. Negligible.

billgoodman
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Posted - 10/17/2014 :  10:32:54  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Great observation

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DruggedBunnyToo
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Posted - 10/25/2014 :  14:10:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have another observation, specific to one song on Doolittle: Dead.

Pick up your guitar and play as F-shape barre chords: D-E-A-D.

"Hey, whaddya know!"

A simple transposition later...


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Belgium
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Posted - 10/27/2014 :  11:29:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DruggedBunnyToo

I have another observation, specific to one song on Doolittle: Dead.

Pick up your guitar and play as F-shape barre chords: D-E-A-D.


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