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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 04/20/2014 : 13:50:28
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| Thanks for the upload sadpunk74. I am seriously digging this tune. In fact its the first of the new Pixies songs I could imaging moshing too. Love the riff Joey plays on the intro. Agree with Ziggy that this sounds like a band playing together. Much less tentative and over prepped than some of the the songs on the album. Maybe some of the stress and tension of the build up and reaction to the first batch of new tunes has passed and now they have relaxed a bit. I wonder who produced this. I presume not Gil Norton due to lack of reverb or layering of Franks vocals. Anyway whatever they did I like it a lot! |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2014 : 18:50:14
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cool song. thanks so much for the rip! not to turn a positive into a negative, but it easily trumps 'another toe'. it's not particularly memorable (unlike the majority of indie cindy), but it's good and plays to the bands strengths. Frank sounds engaged and gives a good performance, and it absolutely proves Joey just needs to be left to his own natural impulses. i also like Dave's low backing vocals. Paz' vocals are OK. though i find them somewhat distracting honestly.
all in all, i'll enjoy this song quite a bit over the coming dry spell. it makes me look forward to the band's next release. Frank is obviously on a role writing wise. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 04/20/2014 : 20:47:33
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Dave's snare sound is very good.
Just wanted to say that
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
268 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2014 : 23:10:05
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About an hour ago the Pixies officially announced a free download of "Women of War":
https://soundcloud.com/pixiesmusic/women-of-war/s-WZETd
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
Fantastic tune, too. Classic Pixies. I'm instantly liking it better than anything on the three EP's so far. Paz seems to be making a good influence.
BTW, it seems the vinyl spun a little too fast on the earlier rip. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2014 : 08:36:06
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating." |
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
268 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2014 : 11:05:32
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On some reflection, perhaps the fact that I instantly like the song is actually a bad sign. All of BF's best and most enduring work has taken its time to grow on me.
But hey, it's a really fun song. Perhaps that's why I'm liking it so much, at least for now. For the first time since they put out the EP's, the Pixies sound like they're actually having fun making new music.
It's an accessible pop song in typical off-kilter Pixies style. Basically "Another Toe" done right, IMO.
And if that's in any way because of Paz's influence, then the future is looking promising.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1334 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2014 : 13:16:05
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| I do know what you mean. For me it's more true for Frank Black post Pixies (although Sad Punk, Wave Of Mutilation, Olympus Mons would be Pixie examples of slow growers). But what about Gouge Away, Debaser or Monkey, did you not like them instantly and like them forever? |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/21/2014 : 14:00:28
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| The people on Facebook complaining about how the internet stream of the new song makes them feel less special for owning the vinyl are just ADORABLE. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2014 : 17:38:35
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| haha. i like that they did their best to make it a surprise and slip it into indie cindy, but the song is good enough that had i been given the opportunity, i'd totally have bought the 7"! so all them complainers need to realize they got themselves something cool. and the rest of us can be happy the band made it as a free, high quality download. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1334 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2014 : 20:48:02
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| Yeah I saw those Facebook comments....just bizarre! |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2014 : 22:59:56
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what a strange thing to complain about. if you're disappointed, you can always sell your copy of the bonus 7" to me. i completely missed out on record store day, but i wouldn't mind owning a copy.
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
268 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2014 : 01:16:36
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Sure, I liked Gouge and Monkey instantly and still do (Debaser not so much -- sacrilege, I know).
But as much as I love the Pixies, to me they don't represent BF's very best. The songs of his that I never get tired of are all from his solo career. And they've all been growers.
Yeah, disgruntled Facebook vinyl hipsters are hilarious.
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2014 : 21:42:44
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is it possible they'll also add this surprise bonus 7" to the (few?) vinyl copies that were pre-ordered directly through pixiesmusic.com?
(i remember these were "sold out" quickly, and the pre-order button was replaced with a button that forwarded you to amazon.)
it's educational |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 02:03:29
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| According to the Pixies page on Facebook, those early copies bought direct from the Pixies site will also include the 7". |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 04:30:49
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really? awesome. thanks for the info.
that's just perfect (for me).
my next mission: trying to get my hands on one of those orange vinyl copies.
it's educational |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 08:27:18
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
As for the song, it sounds like FB B-side. It is a nice song.
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 09:46:56
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Originally posted by IBreed
cool song. thanks so much for the rip! not to turn a positive into a negative, but it easily trumps 'another toe'. it's not particularly memorable (unlike the majority of indie cindy), but it's good and plays to the bands strengths. Frank sounds engaged and gives a good performance, and it absolutely proves Joey just needs to be left to his own natural impulses. i also like Dave's low backing vocals. Paz' vocals are OK. though i find them somewhat distracting honestly.
all in all, i'll enjoy this song quite a bit over the coming dry spell. it makes me look forward to the band's next release. Frank is obviously on a role writing wise.
Agree on all this, especially about Paz's vocals. They seem too high in the mix for me. Not bad or anything, just a bit jarring at the volume of them.
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2014 : 12:52:17
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
This is how I feel. The song has a catchy chorus but the verses are just okay. It isn't as polished as I would prefer. A little too loose but the mastering is world's better, especially the sound of the drums.
Religion won't save me, the damage is done. The future has ended before it's begun.
Damaged Soul - Black Sabbath
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 20:41:45
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
You are probably right, but I guess the vocals are way more compressed and reverby on Indie Cindy than on this one. The mastering may be as limited and compressed as everything else. But the way the vocals sound differ a lot.
That's why people have compared this to FB & The C's, Bam Thwok or named it a b-side. It sounds rushed, it sounds live. That's probably because it was done rushed and live. I can understand why some people have a tiny problem with that. Something between this and Indie Cindy, sonically, would be perfect. Like Trompe, FB first, TOTY.
I'm totally ok with more polished productions, with more layers of guitar and vocals. But I don't appreciate the way things turned out on Indie Cindy, soundwise. Especially the vocals.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 21:24:32
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| If you take a master and put it to vynil, you got in one hand the natural compression of the vynil, that has much less volume range than cd or 24bit audio. In the other hand you apply the natural equalisation of the vynil and make louder some medium and high medium frequencies, so you have a few new picks from these frequencies and a bit of new dynamic from those natural warm medium frequencies, that are now placed at the front row. That's basically why people prefer vynil, it's such a a cool frequency filter and a paradoxal expander, it makes it sound both warmer and punchier without being unecesseraly aggressive. Everybody likes mediums! The cassette do that too but can compress much more, as the cassette's saturation is really nice and many people record cassette too loud to avoid listening the magnetic background noise (so they use cassette's saturation to make it play louder and so add a lot of compression). That said, I find the Indy Cindy LP collection MUCH more listenable that the EPs. Some songs are not so good on EPs or singles, you feel these few songs are not enough. If you write Instant Karma or I Get Around (wich I call "world songs", as a single song can sometimes sum up all the music in the world and all the existing feelings) it can be fine, but Charles' writing is usually more appropriate on a LP. That LP tastes like a cake much too sweet, it has no moment for resting, but at least you dont feel the frustration. Maybe the EP strategy was the best decision to get the worst reviews? |
Edited by - Grotesque on 04/23/2014 21:29:41 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 22:24:16
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Yes, Charles writes albums, not singles.
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2014 : 04:06:38
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Originally posted by billgoodman
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
You are probably right, but I guess the vocals are way more compressed and reverby on Indie Cindy than on this one. The mastering may be as limited and compressed as everything else. But the way the vocals sound differ a lot.
That's why people have compared this to FB & The C's, Bam Thwok or named it a b-side. It sounds rushed, it sounds live. That's probably because it was done rushed and live. I can understand why some people have a tiny problem with that. Something between this and Indie Cindy, sonically, would be perfect. Like Trompe, FB first, TOTY.
I'm totally ok with more polished productions, with more layers of guitar and vocals. But I don't appreciate the way things turned out on Indie Cindy, soundwise. Especially the vocals.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Women of War probably has less tracks as well, which makes things sound more audible. But yes, the vocals definitely have less effects on them. This makes sense, as it is probably more of a demo than the other songs. It is like Richards has said before; if you have unlimited tracks at your disposable(digital) people tend to use them. Although, I have no idea if this recording was done in digital or analogue.
Personally, I think they all sound good. More, please. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2014 : 11:48:54
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
As for the song, it sounds like FB B-side. It is a nice song.
Champ I'm guessing you don't realize how insulting it is to tell people who know a significant amount about recording, production, engineering, and sound that they don't understand the difference between reverb and compression. Reverb can be glorious and it has nothing to do with compression. If anyone is confused, compare Phil Spector's classic recordings to Death Magnetic. Or the new pixies. or almost anything new.
My density has popped me to you. |
Edited by - johnnyribcage on 04/24/2014 13:21:11 |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2014 : 13:54:55
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
As for the song, it sounds like FB B-side. It is a nice song.
Champ I'm guessing you don't realize how insulting it is to tell people who know a significant amount about recording, production, engineering, and sound that they don't understand the difference between reverb and compression. Reverb can be glorious and it has nothing to do with compression. If anyone is confused, compare Phil Spector's classic recordings to Death Magnetic. Or the new pixies. or almost anything new.
My density has popped me to you.
Just look at the file for yourself and try to keep an open mind. It is exactly like all the other songs. Same loudness, same lack of dynamic range. Everything is maxed out throughout the entire track. |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2014 : 19:32:25
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can any french forum member or any FNAC customer out there trade me an Orange Vinyl release for an RSD release with 7" (unopened/sealed of course)?? cause i'm a sucker for the coloured vinyl.
"Fundamentally, all writing is about the same thing; it's about dying, about the brief flicker of time we have here, and the frustration that it creates. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2014 : 21:14:59
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i went to a fnac store in belgium, and they didn't have the orange vinyl. just black. the orange vinyl appears to be limited to france.
it might be possible to order it online though, on fnac.com. i haven't tried that yet.
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TinMachine
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United Kingdom
17 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 05:53:44
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Not strictly related to the vinyl copy, but has anyone sat down with the live bonus tracks yet? Would appreciate any thoughts
I want to buy them - maybe from iTunes rather than shelling out for the (pretty expensive here in the UK) double disc CD. I've generally been incredibly impressed with their live versions of the EP tracks (the KCRW set oh man), so I'm pretty tempted. |
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BunsenH
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 06:32:06
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Originally posted by TinMachine
Not strictly related to the vinyl copy, but has anyone sat down with the live bonus tracks yet? Would appreciate any thoughts
I want to buy them - maybe from iTunes rather than shelling out for the (pretty expensive here in the UK) double disc CD. I've generally been incredibly impressed with their live versions of the EP tracks (the KCRW set oh man), so I'm pretty tempted.
I'm interested in the live stuff too. Does anyone know if the tracks come from the same show/set? If so, what date/venue?
A splattering of live tunes from various shows doesn't really turn me on that much. |
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TinMachine
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 08:16:30
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Yeah I hope they're from the same show too - the billing as Live from the USA though would lead me to guess that they may well be from different shows.
I'd like a return to their practice of offering whole night sets to download from their website. Women of War and that KCRW set really sold me on Paz (especially her vocal on What Goes Boom) but I haven't had an opportunity to see the new line up live yet, so I'm interested in getting to grips with what the new set up sounds like.
I thought Shattuck was great when I saw her and was honestly a bit surprised when they binned her, but the new line up feels right for me. I hope they move forward as a set fourpiece and start including her in photo sets and interviews etc.
I think the more the naysayers see of Paz the more comfortable they'd be with Deal's departure - it's part of the reason why Indie Cindy's had a bit of a kicking from some online quarters, though people do increasingly seem to be coming round to it. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 09:11:47
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i assume the live disc has tracks from different shows.
it's in the mail, so i haven't heard it yet.
it's educational |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 04:36:47
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I'm listening to it now, at work (I review music for a living), and it's from different shows.
The crossfades are pretty clear. The audience cheers at the end of Bone Machine, but before the final words and right into the second song Hey.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 05:07:08
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I do, however, love the songs that they choose. A great mix of obscure and new songs. No hits!
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BunsenH
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/29/2014 : 07:16:00
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I'm listening to it now, at work (I review music for a living), and it's from different shows.
The crossfades are pretty clear. The audience cheers at the end of Bone Machine, but before the final words and right into the second song Hey.
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Ah... that's a bummer... thanks for posting. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 07:24:31
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Some of the song changes sound authentic
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