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picpic
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 Posted - 01/08/2014 : 00:19:16
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Damn... when will she get over it ?
That was good publicity for her... never heard of her band before... I understand the frustration but come on... it's getting boring...
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 00:42:08
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What's wrong?
She merely answers one question from the journalist.
She complains about being misquoted, just as Black Francis does.
She "knows" something but she doesn't want to compromise the mystique.
She is not and has not been unprofessionnal so far.
But my humble guess is that she does not know more than the previous Kim does.
And we all know!
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 00:47:35
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She wouldn't even be interviewed if it wasn't for her time in the Pixies.
She's claiming in every interview "I know things from backstage that aren't nice for the Pixies, but I won't tell you".. blah, blah...
Let's get over it now (Kim, Pixies, us, everyone... !)
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 00:49:20
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* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 01:31:19
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Sorry I forgot the main problem: journalists should get over it, too.
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 01:41:03
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If only they could do their job properly...
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simibaby
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 12:03:52
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| pic pic: "I never even heard of Shattuck's band before".....That gives you less "cred" when you criticize her because (maybe?) you dont know a lot about rock music/bands since The Muffs sre well known and regarded by music fans. If you'd left out that little revealing tidbit.... |
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eroticvultcha
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 12:34:45
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| Strikes me as a decent person talking about a dysfunctional band and their idiot manager dicking her about. Nothing to get over. |
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IBreed
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 12:48:35
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come on, she came across as totally cool. she answered one question and did it in a completely diplomatic way.
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Strikes me as a decent person talking about a dysfunctional band and their idiot manager dicking her about. Nothing to get over.
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natenate101
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 14:31:49
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Originally posted by simibaby
pic pic: "I never even heard of Shattuck's band before".....That gives you less "cred" when you criticize her because (maybe?) you dont know a lot about rock music/bands since The Muffs sre well known and regarded by music fans. If you'd left out that little revealing tidbit....
This is nonsense dude. Please stop. Muffs are still a very underground band, it's really not odd or cred damaging to have not heard of them. As if cred even matters.
She can talk about whatever she wants, she is no longer with Pixies so I just don't care personally. Looking forward to hearing Paz speak a bit on playing with the band. |
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 17:27:14
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Originally posted by simibaby
pic pic: "I never even heard of Shattuck's band before".....That gives you less "cred" when you criticize her because (maybe?) you dont know a lot about rock music/bands since The Muffs sre well known and regarded by music fans. If you'd left out that little revealing tidbit....
I never heard of her or the band either. You are assuming we all come from the same backgrounds. I can't stand Indie Rock, I just happen to love the Pixies (Frank Black). Just because we don't come from the same musical taste doesn't mean someone doesn't have "cred." I won't judge you either because you never heard of Katatonia or Anathema. 
Here I am for your judgement
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* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 01/08/2014 : 20:25:47
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Originally posted by simibaby
pic pic: "I never even heard of Shattuck's band before".....That gives you less "cred" when you criticize her because (maybe?) you dont know a lot about rock music/bands since The Muffs sre well known and regarded by music fans.
You are talking about the US, right...?
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Grotesque
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 01:05:43
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| That thing about "anyway who is she we didnt know her before so she should shut up and apreciate the publicity" smells like shit and very unusual for this blog. Is that the "new generation of pixies fans" mentality? I think she's very direct and honest, the pixies could try to act the same, but they're probably super shy inhibited people (with all the respect) and they allways put themselves in that kind of misunderstandings and bad comunication. And a lot of us fans dont care because we're here for the music! I kind of like the fact that joey is almost autistic, David in his own world where rush, steely dan and depeche are the best bands and Frank sort of twisted in his relashionship, at the end i dont really care, it's not my problem. I read some Jonathan Richman interview some time ago where he really forced himself to act like an asshole because he has such a reputation of lovable guy, i thought that was pretty cleaver of him to do that. I dont want to be mystified, there is no pixies mystique for me, just some good records. |
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* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1874 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2014 : 02:47:06
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That must be the explanation: i'm a noob Pixies fan. Thanks !
Anyway, i'm graceful that you bothered to post here (since you only care about music !) only to repeat what I said from the beggining: "let's get over it".
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billgoodman
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 02:49:31
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Originally posted by eroticvultcha
Strikes me as a decent person talking about a dysfunctional band and their idiot manager dicking her about. Nothing to get over.
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Jason
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 03:36:40
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The Muffs were never a huge band, but they have a name and a following of their own. They haven't put out anything new in ten years though, so it's understandable if some haven't heard of them. No big deal. They also have a new album out soon, so Kim Shattuck was going to be on the promotion circuit anyway, even if she never played with the Pixies.
And in almost every interview, she'll be asked the Pixies question. And her response will be posted here. And dissected. Blah. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2014 : 04:39:46
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Originally posted by picpic
That must be the explanation: i'm a noob Pixies fan. Thanks !
Anyway, i'm graceful that you bothered to post here (since you only care about music !) only to repeat what I said from the beggining: "let's get over it".
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haha yep sorry i read you scanning too fast and i admit i like those mini discussions and excessive opinion (apart from the music) |
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trobrianders
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 04:46:22
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Pixies had a rep for being bad communicators/dysfunctional. She surely knew her comments would stoke rumors. You don't pull that shit when you're happy.
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* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1874 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2014 : 04:56:47
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To lighten the mood: I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that there's some guy called "Kimkimpaz Kimkim" somewhere on this planet:
http://m.facebook.com/kimkimpaz.kimkim
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Grotesque
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 06:34:29
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Pixies had a rep for being bad communicators/dysfunctional. She surely knew her comments would stoke rumors. You don't pull that shit when you're happy.
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She seems quite happy as a person but she's angry with the manager. That's a brit that was FB's manager around 94 and was the pixies handyman since the reunion, so he must have some important voice in everything they do, as they dont have a label (correct me if im wrong). |
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BLT
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 10:11:50
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Nobody even knows who the guy is? Certainly someone around here must have been at the other end of a bridge he burned.
Whoever he is, he's doing a crack job. It takes a lot of work to get a longtime fan like me to stop caring. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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892 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2014 : 10:55:47
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Originally posted by BLT
Nobody even knows who the guy is? Certainly someone around here must have been at the other end of a bridge he burned.
Whoever he is, he's doing a crack job. It takes a lot of work to get a longtime fan like me to stop caring.
Wait, so you've stopped caring? So no care about EP-2, upcoming tour performances, the integration of Paz, future recordings, etc..? |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 17:21:52
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Originally posted by natenate101
So no care about EP-2, upcoming tour performances, the integration of Paz, future recordings, etc..?
Check, check, check and check.
Now to answer the inevitable next question: I still read the board by force of habit. Hard to kick after 11 years. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 18:23:39
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Originally posted by BLT
Nobody even knows who the guy is? Certainly someone around here must have been at the other end of a bridge he burned.
He's an extremely experienced guy who has been in the music biz for decades, both as a touring musician himself and behind-the-scenes.
He tour managed FB on the 1994 Euro tour for the first solo LP, ran his own indie label that was distributed through Atlantic Records, was the day-to-day Tour Manager for virtually the entire initial career of The Spice Girls (started with them before they'd ever played live), even handled Tour / Road Managing for Woody Allen when Allen would go out with his old-time jazz combo.
These days he does career management for Pixies along with Dead Can Dance, 808 State, Lisa Gerrard, The Fratellis and a bunch of lesser known acts.
Many folks on these boards seem to have developed disdain for the man based on what they perceive to be some sort of Svengali-like hold they believe he has over the bandmembers (which to me seems incredibly insulting to FBF, David, Joey and Kim D.), and are laying their distaste and/or disappointment with anything and everything about Pixies v.2.0 at his feet (EP format over LP, bass player employment drama, etc...).
However, it seems to me that he's been doing quite an impressive job of handling the band's return to the world stage (and tremendous resurgence-cum-growth) since 2004, when he came on board.
Bands and managers work together.
Pixies circa 2014 is most definitely a team effort, and, given the overall level of activity, publicity, product, touring, and yes, even controversy that the band is generating, I'd say their management is doing infinitely more things "right" than "wrong."
Just my .02, for whatever that might be worth.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 19:18:53
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| Thanks for the info, Peter. My distaste has been building steadily for the last year or so. There was no single incident, but rather a series of events (of which Kim S. is only the latest) giving me the feeling that money, rather than the joy of creating music, is the main impetus behind Pixies 2.0. I can't get myself to look past it and be a doe-eyed fanboy anymore. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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892 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2014 : 19:59:40
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by natenate101
So no care about EP-2, upcoming tour performances, the integration of Paz, future recordings, etc..?
Check, check, check and check.
Now to answer the inevitable next question: I still read the board by force of habit. Hard to kick after 11 years.
So for 11 years (and more I'm sure) you've following Charles, and you now feel like he is in it for the money? Did you never feel like he cared about it before now?
I don't get that at all. If anything, they seem unsure of how to approach being PIXIES and releasing new music into the band's legacy, so they are placing trust in the manager. Whether a smart decision or not, it's not shocking or anything. Just seems a shame that you are unable to enjoy the first new Pixies songs in years because of non-music related stuff.
Helluva post Peter Radiator, although I don't agree with some things the band have done recently, I trust them overall. Mostly, I trust BF. Dude has been busting his ass for years and making music of various types and with varying success. He doesn't seem like one to half-ass it especially under this band's name and history.
I think the best music is to come, once he finds his songwriting groove. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/09/2014 : 22:55:35
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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Originally posted by BLT
Nobody even knows who the guy is? Certainly someone around here must have been at the other end of a bridge he burned.
He's an extremely experienced guy who has been in the music biz for decades, both as a touring musician himself and behind-the-scenes.
He tour managed FB on the 1994 Euro tour for the first solo LP, ran his own indie label that was distributed through Atlantic Records, was the day-to-day Tour Manager for virtually the entire initial career of The Spice Girls (started with them before they'd ever played live), even handled Tour / Road Managing for Woody Allen when Allen would go out with his old-time jazz combo.
These days he does career management for Pixies along with Dead Can Dance, 808 State, Lisa Gerrard, The Fratellis and a bunch of lesser known acts.
Many folks on these boards seem to have developed disdain for the man based on what they perceive to be some sort of Svengali-like hold they believe he has over the bandmembers (which to me seems incredibly insulting to FBF, David, Joey and Kim D.), and are laying their distaste and/or disappointment with anything and everything about Pixies v.2.0 at his feet (EP format over LP, bass player employment drama, etc...).
However, it seems to me that he's been doing quite an impressive job of handling the band's return to the world stage (and tremendous resurgence-cum-growth) since 2004, when he came on board.
Bands and managers work together.
Pixies circa 2014 is most definitely a team effort, and, given the overall level of activity, publicity, product, touring, and yes, even controversy that the band is generating, I'd say their management is doing infinitely more things "right" than "wrong."
Just my .02, for whatever that might be worth.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
Ok, that's cool. To paraphrase J Mascis: The Breeders were way bigger than the Pixies ever were at the beginning of the nineties. Nowadays, the Pixies are a huge act and the Breeders are a nice indie band.
The manager did something really, really good. Even with Pitchfork giving them a 1.0 or a 2.0, the press at least cares about the band.
Still, I think their pr/communication to their fans and to the press could be way better. Don't know if the manager is to blame there, Joey, Dave and Frank have their own twitter accounts and give interviews of course.
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sdon
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 01:19:00
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Is it Ken Goes?
This guy has been with Pixies and FB for so long that I consider him almost part of the band, very knowledgeable at least.
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Jettison
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 02:14:23
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You had me at:
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tremendous resurgence-cum-growth
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Fissile
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 05:14:40
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Is it Ken Goes?
This guy has been with Pixies and FB for so long that I consider him almost part of the band, very knowledgeable at least.
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I doubt it's Ken, I'm not sure if he still manages music acts. Ken was a strange, reclusive kind of guy even back in the day, I think most of his contact with the Pixies was over the phone. |
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BLT
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 06:03:00
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So for 11 years (and more I'm sure) you've following Charles, and you now feel like he is in it for the money? Did you never feel like he cared about it before now?
My problem is with "Pixies" in their current state as a commercial entity, not Charles per se. If I get the impression that Pixies exist so Charles and Joey can make their house payments and Dave doesn't have to get a day job, then I choose not to partake. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 06:08:09
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It is my understanding that Ken Goes has not been in the management position since the reunion started in 2004.
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 06:45:38
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Originally posted by natenate101
So for 11 years (and more I'm sure) you've following Charles, and you now feel like he is in it for the money? Did you never feel like he cared about it before now?
My problem is with "Pixies" in their current state as a commercial entity, not Charles per se. If I get the impression that Pixies exist so Charles and Joey can make their house payments and Dave doesn't have to get a day job, then I choose not to partake.
FWIW, the Pixies have ALWAYS been a commercial entity. Their goal all along was to create a scenario whereby their "day jobs" were playing in an original rock band.
That's why they approached forming and rehearing the group so methodically. Pixies is a band, and Pixies is a company. They are members in the band, and they are partners in the company.
Nothing whatsoever has changed. The only difference is that there was a lengthy period in which both the band and (to a lesser extent) the company were on hiatus.
Since 2004, the band and company have been ACTIVE, and in some ways much more active than the first time around.
Now they have a new line of products (as opposed to new merchandise and live releases that merely reference an older line of products), and a slight lineup change.
That's it.
I feel certain that if the Pixies did not receive joy out of creating music, then they would not be moving forward in this way. However, they also understandably feel that they deserve to be remunerated for their efforts. So, they get to have fun and take pride in creating new music and sharing it with people, and also get to make a living at the same time.
Isn't that essentially what everyone strives to do in one way or another?
I guess I just don't understand why some folks find this new chapter in the Pixies story so "distasteful."
There is no discernible difference between what the band is doing now and what they did the first time around - except for the fact that they are not at the mercy or whims of record label execs who might not understand or appreciate the group. They can now control most every aspect of their careers exactly as they see fit, and they can offer their wares directly to their fanbase with no real middleman.
To me, this is all a huge plus. I'm just as excited about the here and now of the Pixies (and their future) as I was the first time around, from 1987 onward.
When I read and hear a lot of these criticisms, I can't help but think of the whole Jim Morrison vs. Bob Dylan thing.
Jim Morrison died, so his output and artistic evolution stopped and is forever enshrined. That's why you see posters and T-Shirts with his picture and the dubious legend "American Poet."
He's like James Dean. Virtually no new criticism will come of his work, and in many ways people go easy on his numerous and obvious faults because he's dead and everyone loves an icon.
Dylan meanwhile, survived his motorcycle accident in 1966, and continues writing, recording and performing songs to this day. He has seen numerous ups and numerous downs. He is routinely savaged by critics and listeners who harshly and often myopically insists on comparing his later output with his early output.
They are allowed and in some ways encouraged to slam him and hold his contemporary works up to an almost impossibly high standard, solely because he continues to bravely put himself and his work out there.
He does that for the same reason FBF does: because he is a devoted, lifelong artist who long ago decided to make that his main vocation.
If Dylan had died in 1966, he would never have made a record after BLONDE ON BLONDE. There would have been only a few discs' worth of outtakes and live recordings for his label to parse out posthumously, and a very short life for biographers to pore over.
HE'D be the untouchable one whose face would have graced a blue million shitty fabric tapestries at Spencer Gifts, and Jim Morrison (a charismatic but artistically minor figure in the rock world if ever there was one), had he lived, would have likely continued to descend into a slothful, debauched, Elvis-like existence, churning out more and more highfalutin blather masquerading as insightful poetry, until either getting his shit together and reuniting with the Doors, or giving up entirely and pulling a Howard Hughes.
Point being, Dylan didn't die, and the Pixies persevered.
They both took the bold step of jumping back into the international fray of idiotic music critics with axes to grind and bruised egos to avenge. They both had the nerve to stand in front of the pop culture firing squad and risk tarnishing their estimable legacy.
And both, I think, have done a fairly impressive job of kicking the naysayers to the curb through the sheer force of their will and the talent at their disposal.
Look, the new records are good. VERY GOOD.
Much better than they probably had a right to be, under the circumstances.
The recent shows have been good. VERY GOOD.
Much better than they probably had a right to be, under the circumstances.
And yeah, they're gonna use the money they make to support themselves and their families and for whatever the fuck else they wanna do with it.
JUST LIKE THEY HAVE SINCE 1986.
What else is new?
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>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 10:07:53
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natenate101
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Posted - 01/10/2014 : 10:19:32
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| ^ right on Peter, I'm with ya. Dylan's output since the early 70s has been hit or miss, but I'd rather that he made World gone Wrong and Infidels than not. Gives a wider picture of the man and his art as it evolved. Hoping the same for Pixies, many more releases, and directions to impress, confound and entertain us. |
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