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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 12/03/2013 : 19:41:48
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Originally posted by The Champ
Far from it. She had good energy, but she was never remotely in pitch, and had sloppy bass playing which did make the songs sound weird. I thought she would improve, but she didn't.
I don't hear what you're talking about, at least not in the live clips I've heard. I take it for granted that Kim Shattuck is as technically gifted as anyone in the Pixies, given that she's the leader of her own moderately successful group. She sings great on her own material, though she might've been a little out of her element with the Pixies (since crooning like Kim Deal is not really her style). |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 12/03/2013 : 21:02:42
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Originally posted by hammerhands
I don't think good guitar players care much about being sloppy
i guess not.
my friend also said "at least he doesn't take himself too seriously" and he also liked that bit in vamos where joey goes nuts. so he thought it was all good fun, but he couldn't get his head around the mistakes.
anyway, it doesn't matter. i was just reminded of what my friend said when someone mentioned that joey also made some mistakes.
i was quite surprised at his remark, because all i've ever heard or read before was that joey is very underrated as a guitarist. i personally wouldn't even have a clue. i know absolutely nothing about playing any instruments.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1874 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 21:57:54
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I can't believe anyone can go to a rock show and spend time complaining about mistakes instead of enjoying the show. Really...
Joey has created some legendary, unforgettable, epic riffs. As simple as that. (but do we need to explain everything ?) |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 12/03/2013 : 23:35:19
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
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Originally posted by The Champ
Far from it. She had good energy, but she was never remotely in pitch, and had sloppy bass playing which did make the songs sound weird. I thought she would improve, but she didn't.
I don't hear what you're talking about, at least not in the live clips I've heard. I take it for granted that Kim Shattuck is as technically gifted as anyone in the Pixies, given that she's the leader of her own moderately successful group. She sings great on her own material, though she might've been a little out of her element with the Pixies (since crooning like Kim Deal is not really her style).
I thought it was cool that she had her own personality and style, she was not at all a kim deal copycat, and also that she's more or less from from the same scene and generation, not some emo groupie in her 20s... This would have been awfull. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2013 : 10:42:15
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
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Originally posted by The Champ
Far from it. She had good energy, but she was never remotely in pitch, and had sloppy bass playing which did make the songs sound weird. I thought she would improve, but she didn't.
I don't hear what you're talking about, at least not in the live clips I've heard. I take it for granted that Kim Shattuck is as technically gifted as anyone in the Pixies, given that she's the leader of her own moderately successful group. She sings great on her own material, though she might've been a little out of her element with the Pixies (since crooning like Kim Deal is not really her style).
Indie Cindy, for example, is pretty out of pitch. Since Frank is a screamer, it is too much to ask to have him falsetto that well. He needs KD to carry the lighter parts, or someone else who is good. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2013 : 09:25:50
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Originally posted by Discoking
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Originally posted by hammerhands
I don't think good guitar players care much about being sloppy
i guess not.
my friend also said "at least he doesn't take himself too seriously" and he also liked that bit in vamos where joey goes nuts. so he thought it was all good fun, but he couldn't get his head around the mistakes.
anyway, it doesn't matter. i was just reminded of what my friend said when someone mentioned that joey also made some mistakes.
i was quite surprised at his remark, because all i've ever heard or read before was that joey is very underrated as a guitarist. i personally wouldn't even have a clue. i know absolutely nothing about playing any instruments.
it's educational
I think your friend is just into a different kind of rock guitarist. Joey's not Derek Trucks or Rich Robinson, but at the same time, neither of those guys could play or come up with the stuff Joey does for the Pixies. And as for sloppiest live guitarist all time - that one's gotta go to Jimmy Page hands down.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 12/06/2013 : 09:07:25
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And as for sloppiest live guitarist all time - that one's gotta go to Jimmy Page hands down.
Both of them are guitar heroes. So, whatever. |
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/06/2013 : 09:49:21
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/06/2013 : 13:44:20
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Originally posted by picpic
I can't believe anyone can go to a rock show and spend time complaining about mistakes instead of enjoying the show. Really...
Ahh, I've read Pearl Jam fans eviscerate the band for mistakes or "mistakes" or a bit of sloppiness.
Back in 09 they played a little over 100 unique songs over a four night stand at the Philadelphia Spectrum. I thought these were some of the best shows they'd done; sure there were mistakes here and there but some hardcore fans would complain about all sorts of things; even that the tempo on some songs was faster...! Of course it was, it's a rock concert, if I want to hear the songs precisely as recorded, I'll stay home and listen to the albums.
I understand everyone has different tastes and preferences, and I understand the disappointment if they mess up your favorite song but a lot of criticism seemed extreme, to me.
And yes, Joey has come up with some amazing riffs; heck, the solo to Hey is just an amazing compliment to the song. He never really struck me as sloppy; most of his playing seems very precise, save for Vamos or the end of Gigantic.
Strange now to think how that song went from the 99% last song of the show to (understandably) not being played.
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So....Kim Has been sacked now !
