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lucmove
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 Posted - 10/08/2013 : 09:46:02
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Originally posted by Fissile
Funny, but I think Thompson out-maneuvered Deal this time. He patiently waited her out until whatever goodwill she had with the fan base was depleted. When the balance tipped in his favor, he called her bluff. She probably thought that her departure was going to be the end of the Pixies, or any new version of the Pixies would end in failure. Well, the Pixies continue. Not only are they continuing, but new Pixies is drawing larger audiences than old Breeders...(old Breeders...ha, I kill myself). She's not talking now, because she realizes that she lost this hand, and probably the game.
Your theory is better, of course. Most of mine was tongue in cheek. Speaking seriously, I suspect she's been fired, and she's not talking about it because she doesn't like public exposure anyway. She's spoken in the past, but quite little IMO.
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Fissile
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:22:10
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You're both applying Occam's razor. It's just one of you is a jerk.
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Fissile
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:27:30
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Oh, please. Come off it. Kim D just didn't like the new music (as Kelley said) and with her mother having Alzheimer's she probably wasn't up to doing yet another harrowing tour schedule either. Those new solo singles tell me all I need to know -- she's just in a completely different emotional space at this point.
And she's not talking because nothing good could possibly come from talking. Why would she want to?
Taking care of her mother? How does she do that? Calling the nursing service from her hotel room in Lower Slobovia while on tour with the the Breeders? Were the Pixies considering doing a tour from a country with no phone service? |
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Fissile
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:52:20
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Originally posted by Helmut
Charles, Joey and David are doing a large venue tour as the Pixies and in a few years may be doing stadium tours ala Foo Fighters and will probably have five new Pixies albums and millions of Pixies dollars under their belt in a decade.
Kim Deal is pushing shit up hill with The Breeders golden oldies tours to mid-sized crowds and unlikely to produce much more music over the next decade. She'll probably relapse once or twice and be unbearable to work with.
Read this 2002 interview to see how nutty she became, not even her sister wanted to know her: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/magazine/the-breeders-are-still-at-it.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
That's a fascinating interview. It's interesting that they mention the whacky phone messages that Kim left on producer John Agnello's answering machine. Years ago Agnello posted one of Kim's mental phone messages on his web site.
Agnello made a fun animation out of it. Really amusing. If want to see and hear it, follow these directions:
1)Create a new folder somewhere on your machine.
2)Click on each each link below, and save the respective files to the new folder you created.
3)Open the folder and double click on the file labeled "Machine". The animation will open.
4)In the animation, click "Kim Deal"
5)Enjoy some classic Kim lunacy.
http://www.dropbox.com/s/9q3jg8rthb51l7v/kimsbubble.swf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5saft8vbjqxr2m/machine.swf |
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Helmut
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 15:20:54
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| That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her. |
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 15:49:38
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Originally posted by Jason
I still read this forum for two reasons:
1) Someone here always finds a cool new interview or Youtube clip that I would never notice on my own.
2) It helps me feel normal as someone who just really loves the music and doesn't read conspiracy into every word Frank says and doesn't get enthralled by gossip.
I'm with you on the conspiracy stuff. For all the rumours and hearsay it's still most likely that Kim left because she just didn't want to commit to new music and another tour, and that it was as amicable as it could have been between 2 people with a relationship like the one Kim and Black Francis have had. |
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McDutchie
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 15:58:40
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So, at least three people here appear to be accusing Frank, Joey and Dave of outright lying when they said very clearly in multiple interviews that Kim left of her own volition to their great shock and dismay and that she would be welcome back any time, and the substantiation is that the Deal sisters had serious drug problems and a minor personal disagreement more than a decade ago according to some NYT "interview" hit piece that could have been written by Fissile by the tone of it. Oooookay.
Could you guys please stop being such cynical creeps, it doesn't become you and it ruins this place. |
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Fissile
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 16:21:33
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Originally posted by Helmut
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her.
I didn't say she's a bitter ex-junkie. I said she's a bitter ex alky/junkie. |
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lucmove
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 17:15:16
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Originally posted by McDutchie
So, at least three people here appear to be accusing Frank, Joey and Dave of outright lying when they said very clearly in multiple interviews that Kim left of her own volition to their great shock and dismay and that she would be welcome back any time,
It's possible.
If you believe everything that's said in interviews, fine, your choice. Life is full of choices.
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natenate101
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 21:27:46
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Originally posted by McDutchie
So, at least three people here appear to be accusing Frank, Joey and Dave of outright lying when they said very clearly in multiple interviews that Kim left of her own volition to their great shock and dismay and that she would be welcome back any time,
It's possible.
If you believe everything that's said in interviews, fine, your choice. Life is full of choices.
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Like it's your choice to not believe it, whether it's a lame choice or not....right?
I have no reason to think the guys are lying, and though from Violet's post there seems to have been recent history of erratic behavior from KD, she was there in Wales ready to do it. But hey, she didn't want to, for whatever reason. What's the controversy and why does she need to be a crackhead/drunk to want something different than the fellas? In the case of these adults who've done this for a long long time with good success, I'll go ahead and take their word for it. I'd be wasting time and energy not to. I wish them all happiness. |
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natenate101
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 21:28:27
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Originally posted by ChienAndalou22
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Originally posted by Jason
I still read this forum for two reasons:
1) Someone here always finds a cool new interview or Youtube clip that I would never notice on my own.
2) It helps me feel normal as someone who just really loves the music and doesn't read conspiracy into every word Frank says and doesn't get enthralled by gossip.
I'm with you on the conspiracy stuff. For all the rumours and hearsay it's still most likely that Kim left because she just didn't want to commit to new music and another tour, and that it was as amicable as it could have been between 2 people with a relationship like the one Kim and Black Francis have had.
Well said. |
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Helmut
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 22:25:23
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by Helmut
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her.
I didn't say she's a bitter ex-junkie. I said she's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
My mistake. She's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
I reckon the Pixies are about to enter their Stones Mick Taylor period now that they are rid of their Brian Jones (who also didn't want to record at the end). Although Deal is smart enough to stay out of the swimming pool, lol. |
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Fissile
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 03:16:43
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Originally posted by Helmut
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by Helmut
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her.
I didn't say she's a bitter ex-junkie. I said she's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
My mistake. She's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
I reckon the Pixies are about to enter their Stones Mick Taylor period now that they are rid of their Brian Jones (who also didn't want to record at the end). Although Deal is smart enough to stay out of the swimming pool, lol.
I think you spoke too soon.
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