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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 10/03/2013 : 11:39:30
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| huh. Never thought I'd see the day when there'd be only new Pixies records and no new Frank Black records.... |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 12:10:39
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| Wow. Well, time will tell. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/03/2013 : 13:17:11
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That really is some quote. So many interesting interviews popping up all over the place now.
Also "18 month world tour"! |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 13:24:45
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Lotta good info there. The solo comment seemed tacked on or something, didn't even really fit the sentence it was in. That said, focusing all his energies on new Pixies does not upset me.
Thanks for sharing this. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 13:37:46
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| Hmmm. Pixies do Western Star? |
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1038 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 16:13:23
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Pixies do Bullet and Joey goes off after the "take it back down...to that minor chord" line.
It makes sense for him to put Pixies first at this point, but I could see him doing more solo work down the road. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
518 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 18:31:39
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Interesting interview. It's like I've been saying for a long time, Deal wanted to be co-captain, that's what broke up the Pixies. I still can't understand why Thompson didn't shitcan her after they recorded Doolittle, and she started being a big pain in the ass?
As for Thompson not caring about Deal's success with Last Splash, that's not what Deal said in an interview with J. Mascis years ago. She described a phone interview Thompson had done with some English music critic. According to Deal, when this English woman asked Thompson about the success of Last Splash, he went silent and hung up the phone. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 10/03/2013 : 18:54:41
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it is interesting. i don't quite know what to say. not sure if i believe it. but good for him. pixies have had so much drama and turmoil hovering over them. nice that they can finally just do Pixies again, in a carefree fashion (and make some mon-ay)
my favorite part of the piece is Joey. he needs to write a novel. everything that he says is gold
"Kim is a songwriter in her own right," says Santiago. "But in the Pixies, we make a special flavored pizza. We don't want to detour from that palate."
 green star member since 2006. smb? |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 19:44:26
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Originally posted by floop
nice that they can finally just do Pixies again, in a carefree fashion (and make some mon-ay)[/b]
Agree, must feel pretty awesome for them to be able to run with the Pixies name and feeling again. The vibes seem pretty positive so far, and the Kim-less backlash not as big as most would've anticipated.
Kim was a huge ingredient in that pizza though, obviously.
This interview deserves a re-read or 2. Many tidbits. The part about the Indian dinner made me a bit sad. And the part about them "erasing" Kim's parts. |
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
516 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 00:08:44
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"well they call me the snake"
I guess the Pixies is all he can see in front of him at the minute.
I like the fact he is fully committed to the Pixies 2.0.
The man will always make music i think.
Great interview, the story seems to have changed a little. Like yes Kim did just up and leave but there seems to have been some debate over her contributions before she did just up and leave.
Personally i love some of Kim's stuff, there was some really cool, almost psychedelic stuff on Mountain Battles and Last splash. Pity that style if writing couldn't have been incorporated as well.
Anyhow its all history now and the new shit rocks so........ep2 time yet??
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/04/2013 : 06:48:46
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Originally posted by floop
it is interesting. i don't quite know what to say. not sure if i believe it. but good for him. pixies have had so much drama and turmoil hovering over them. nice that they can finally just do Pixies again, in a carefree fashion (and make some mon-ay)
my favorite part of the piece is Joey. he needs to write a novel. everything that he says is gold
"Kim is a songwriter in her own right," says Santiago. "But in the Pixies, we make a special flavored pizza. We don't want to detour from that palate."
green star member since 2006. smb?
He should make a pizza. I would buy a pixie pie |
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
270 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 13:09:30
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Originally posted by Sam
"well they call me the snake"
I guess the Pixies is all he can see in front of him at the minute
Exactly.
From Twitter:And, well, we all know he's prone to changing his mind...
My dream at the moment: some Pixies-flavoured TOTY or Bluefinger.
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
405 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 14:27:59
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 15:17:54
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I'll buy and listen to anything he chooses to do. I might get restless as a fan if enough time goes by without something that really blows me away, but regardless I'm there for sure. The new stuff is great... a little personal... I like it. It's all Black to me anyway.
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Edited by - johnnyribcage on 10/04/2013 16:19:07 |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
895 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 15:45:35
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Originally posted by simibaby
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW. "Pixies" = MONEY for Frankie. That's ok
It certainly does, but it could also mean enjoying a wider appreciation of his talents, happiness in general at doing Pixies, positivity gained from being inspired, working with an inspired grouping of individuals, simplicity in terms of touring/recording, fulfillment of a dream long thought lost, a desire to reach more people, etc....doesn't seem like it's all about money, though surely it's a large factor. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 16:18:08
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Originally posted by natenate101
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Originally posted by simibaby
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW. "Pixies" = MONEY for Frankie. That's ok
It certainly does, but it could also mean enjoying a wider appreciation of his talents, happiness in general at doing Pixies, positivity gained from being inspired, working with an inspired grouping of individuals, simplicity in terms of touring/recording, fulfillment of a dream long thought lost, a desire to reach more people, etc....doesn't seem like it's all about money, though surely it's a large factor.
Well put.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
Edited by - johnnyribcage on 10/04/2013 16:19:37 |
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lucmove
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/04/2013 : 19:27:40
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Originally posted by McDutchie
My dream at the moment: some Pixies-flavoured TOTY or Bluefinger.
Hear! Hear!
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 10/04/2013 : 22:08:24
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Well he didn't do any other stuff while he was with the Catholics and nobody complained. I'm OK with the idea. Still, I hope he releases the second Paley & Francis record if it exists. The first one wasn't bad at all (in terms of songwriting I mean)
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
270 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 23:53:08
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| The Catholics was Frank Black solo with a named backing band, though. They never limited him in terms of style or exploration, he was all over the place with them. Pixies are a limiting mould (or "a special flavored pizza" in Joey's words). If it doesn't sound Pixies-like, Pixies fans are gonna hate it. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 02:28:06
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Still, I hope he releases the second Paley & Francis record if it exists. The first one wasn't bad at all (in terms of songwriting I mean)
Obsidiana Bijoux
I'd be down with that. I didn't care for the first one until I saw him live with Paley. Paley was killer and the material together was great. I "got it" then. Paley was one cool cat live too. Great voice, and definitely more than a passing sonic resemblance to Tom Waits (a good thing).
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 10:16:55
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Originally posted by McDutchie
The Catholics was Frank Black solo with a named backing band, though. They never limited him in terms of style or exploration, he was all over the place with them. Pixies are a limiting mould (or "a special flavored pizza" in Joey's words). If it doesn't sound Pixies-like, Pixies fans are gonna hate it.
For some the new stuff doesn't sound Pixies-like, and they do hate it. BF can't do right for wrong, but I think that's always been the case with his solo stuff too; loads were let down by COR after TOTY, plenty didn't get The Catholics, more still couldn't stomach Honeycomb/FMRM etc etc. It's a little part of what makes him great, constantly wrong-footing his audience and critics alike. It must be completely bewildering for the casual Pixies fan dipping a toe in the ocean (see what I did there? ) of his back catalogue.
If it's just Pixies from now on, I have a feeling that he'll continue to surprise/excite/disappoint/confuse just as always. He's already done it with ep-1.
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lucmove
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Posted - 10/05/2013 : 12:31:12
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Bullshit.
He just said that so everyone will hopefully give up on the idea that this is "just a bad phase" and thus will embrace that which he wants to sell now. Like a phone manufacturer that releases a 64 GB tablet and doesn't want to talk about the 128 GB model they will be releasing next year, because they want you to buy both.
Just wait and watch: Frank Black will be back.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/05/2013 : 13:06:20
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Originally posted by lucmove
Bullshit.
He just said that so everyone will hopefully give up on the idea that this is "just a bad phase" and thus will embrace that which he wants to sell now. Like a phone manufacturer that releases a 64 GB tablet and doesn't want to talk about the 128 GB model they will be releasing next year, because they want you to buy both.
Just wait and watch: Frank Black will be back.
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I think I disagree with a few parts of this but like your spirit here. Not writing a direct response here, just using your quote to springboard - don't take it personally please.
To piggyback off OLDMANOTY, a lot of people have thought various (or all) phases of his career since Doolittle have been "just a bad phase," while those of us (not speaking for you, just me) who have carried the flame and his livelihood, loved everything or at least been intrigued enough to keep listening through the years, see this as volume 27 or whatever of a series that will only end when Charles decides it's over. It's all part of a whole.
Who gives a shit what he calls it, it's just him writing music. Most of it is awesome to me, but depending on who you talk to, he has spent 24 years either toiling in the depths of crap (which he hasn't - FB&C is my favorite ever) or peddling some of the most entertaining and interesting music of our times.
I guess what I'm trying to say is he can call it "Pixies" or he can call it "Dick Munch and the Spread-Eagle Roast Beef Curtains of Eternity" and I would listen and probably love it regardless.
Unfortunately for him, the wider world (beyond this forum and other hard core fans) doesn't give a shit unless it has that "Pixies" label attached to it. I don't know if that's his motivation or not, but it seems logical. But surely I would think someone of his legendary stature in music and pop culture wouldn't need to listen to mine and others' public hobby writings for career advice, motivation, muse, or influence.
Let him do what he needs to do to find success and have his music heard.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 13:49:38
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All I know is, the 2013 Pixies sure as hell love them some fucking Ribcage.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
Edited by - johnnyribcage on 10/05/2013 15:31:41 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 00:24:31
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There will be more Frank Black I'm sure. Because otherwise we'll never hear Robert Onion and Headache again. :(
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 09:42:57
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Frank IS very fond of the solo acoustic live performance. Been doing them for twenty-five years. My guess is that we'll see that continue.
In any case, I think Sam above summed up best what this news means:
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Originally posted by Sam
"well they call me the snake"
I guess the Pixies is all he can see in front of him at the minute.
I like the fact he is fully committed to the Pixies 2.0.
The man will always make music i think.
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 15:43:59
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Originally posted by natenate101
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Originally posted by simibaby
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW. "Pixies" = MONEY for Frankie. That's ok
It certainly does, but it could also mean enjoying a wider appreciation of his talents, happiness in general at doing Pixies, positivity gained from being inspired, working with an inspired grouping of individuals, simplicity in terms of touring/recording, fulfillment of a dream long thought lost, a desire to reach more people, etc....doesn't seem like it's all about money, though surely it's a large factor.
Yeah, I agree. I don't think they NEED the money at this point. The reunion grossed something like $65 million since 2004. I'm sure all four are now comfortably well off. I think that Dave, Joe and Charles are trying for something new without the pressure of making money, which means they are now closer creatively to where they were in 1986 than they've ever been during the reunion.
Kim D. just couldn't let the bad old feelings go. It's interesting that this time around, she's the one that refuses to say anything to the press about the Pixies, a complete reversal of what happened after the original break up. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 17:47:31
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Originally posted by Jason
Frank IS very fond of the solo acoustic live performance. Been doing them for twenty-five years. My guess is that we'll see that continue.
agree
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lucmove
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 18:49:11
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Originally posted by Fissile
Kim D. just couldn't let the bad old feelings go. It's interesting that this time around, she's the one that refuses to say anything to the press about the Pixies, a complete reversal of what happened after the original break up.
Hey, Maybe she was bribed.
Charles:
"Look, Kimmy, here is the deal... Hehehe, see what I did there? Anyway, I'm really sick of your shit. I don't like you and you don't like me, so what do you say you get the hell out of MY BAND pronto? Also, you always made me look like an asshole to the world, so let's switch places now. I say you just left because heck if I know, then I might say something midly unflattering about you once in a while but nothing much, and you just shut the hell up forever. Here, take this hush money."
Kim:
"Cool! Bye, asshole. Oh. By the way, you suck."
Joey and David:
"Yay! We can finally move on! Money well spent, Charlie."
Charles:
"So where were we? Oh, sure. Yeah, no more solo career for me. No, siree. It's just Me and The Pixies from now on."
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Why not? They're all rich anyway, and still have god-knows-how-many dates ahead of them to make even more money.
I've seen several backstage Hollywood stories that make this theory sound like a fairy tale. And whenever there is a new movie to promote, they will say the most wonderful things about each other in those things called interviews. It's showbiz, lads and chicks. All showbiz...
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 19:12:42
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Charles, Joey and David are doing a large venue tour as the Pixies and in a few years may be doing stadium tours ala Foo Fighters and will probably have five new Pixies albums and millions of Pixies dollars under their belt in a decade.
Kim Deal is pushing shit up hill with The Breeders golden oldies tours to mid-sized crowds and unlikely to produce much more music over the next decade. She'll probably relapse once or twice and be unbearable to work with.
Read this 2002 interview to see how nutty she became, not even her sister wanted to know her: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/magazine/the-breeders-are-still-at-it.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 21:39:58
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this guys ability to converse, even interrupt his own songs while keeping time baffled me.
not a Pixie thing, It's a solo Frank Black thing. so long Frank
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 21:56:10
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I still read this forum for two reasons:
1) Someone here always finds a cool new interview or Youtube clip that I would never notice on my own.
2) It helps me feel normal as someone who just really loves the music and doesn't read conspiracy into every word Frank says and doesn't get enthralled by gossip. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 04:20:24
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Originally posted by Fissile
Kim D. just couldn't let the bad old feelings go. It's interesting that this time around, she's the one that refuses to say anything to the press about the Pixies, a complete reversal of what happened after the original break up.
Hey, Maybe she was bribed.
Charles:
"Look, Kimmy, here is the deal... Hehehe, see what I did there? Anyway, I'm really sick of your shit. I don't like you and you don't like me, so what do you say you get the hell out of MY BAND pronto? Also, you always made me look like an asshole to the world, so let's switch places now. I say you just left because heck if I know, then I might say something midly unflattering about you once in a while but nothing much, and you just shut the hell up forever. Here, take this hush money."
Kim:
"Cool! Bye, asshole. Oh. By the way, you suck."
Joey and David:
"Yay! We can finally move on! Money well spent, Charlie."
Charles:
"So where were we? Oh, sure. Yeah, no more solo career for me. No, siree. It's just Me and The Pixies from now on."
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Why not? They're all rich anyway, and still have god-knows-how-many dates ahead of them to make even more money.
I've seen several backstage Hollywood stories that make this theory sound like a fairy tale. And whenever there is a new movie to promote, they will say the most wonderful things about each other in those things called interviews. It's showbiz, lads and chicks. All showbiz...
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Funny, but I think Thompson out-maneuvered Deal this time. He patiently waited her out until whatever goodwill she had with the fan base was depleted. When the balance tipped in his favor, he called her bluff. She probably thought that her departure was going to be the end of the Pixies, or any new version of the Pixies would end in failure. Well, the Pixies continue. Not only are they continuing, but new Pixies is drawing larger audiences than old Breeders...(old Breeders...ha, I kill myself). She's not talking now, because she realizes that she lost this hand, and probably the game. |
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McDutchie
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 06:52:49
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Oh, please. Come off it. Kim D just didn't like the new music (as Kelley said) and with her mother having Alzheimer's she probably wasn't up to doing yet another harrowing tour schedule either. Those new solo singles tell me all I need to know -- she's just in a completely different emotional space at this point.
And she's not talking because nothing good could possibly come from talking. Why would she want to? |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 10/08/2013 : 07:49:17
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| You're both applying Occam's razor. It's just one of you is a jerk. |
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